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Warbirds over Fredericksburg
I know there's lots of RC interest here, so I thought I'd share this. If interested,
give me a shout. WARBIRDS & CLASSICS OVER FREDERICKSBURG. We (Prince George RC Club) have been asked to publicize this event, which will be held May 29 thru 31 2015 by the Fredericksburg Area RC Club. Any size Warbird or Scale Classic is welcome. $25 landing fee includes Saturday dinner. Mo 5/29/2015 - 5/31/2015 -- Thornburg, VA (C) MILITARY WARBIRDS & CLASSICS OVER FREDERICKSBURG. Site: Club Field. Salvatore Vezzi CD PH: 804-519-2380 Email: . Visit: www.fredericksburgrc.com. 15/366. 2 Grass runways, power on runways. Shelters, concessions, unlimited primitive RV parking & camping. Pilot door prizes and raffle. All sizes of Warbirds and Classics. Landing fee $25 includes pilots dinner Sat. night. Turbines & early arrivals welcome. Sponsor: FREDERICKSBURG AREA RC CLUB Highligts from past event: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=c2P_8ac8ujU -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote:
I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:40:15 -0400, John H.
wrote: I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. === Are you taking a jibe at real planes, most of which are not nose wheel steerable? My advice is to give it up. |
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On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... At least as much as pimping clam pizza (yuck) from a place no one in his right mind would want to visit. Right Suzy? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... I have to admit ... this is impressive ... steerable nose wheel and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-13r0Keqw#t=302 |
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On 4/4/15 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... I have to admit ... this is impressive ... steerable nose wheel and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-13r0Keqw#t=302 Well, model planes don't do it for me. But...speaking of models... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcPohpBQ7ug |
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On 4/4/2015 10:39 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 10:35 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... I have to admit ... this is impressive ... steerable nose wheel and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-13r0Keqw#t=302 Well, model planes don't do it for me. But...speaking of models... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcPohpBQ7ug Yawn! Come to Florida. See it live. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:51:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:40:15 -0400, John H. wrote: I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. === Are you taking a jibe at real planes, most of which are not nose wheel steerable? My advice is to give it up. I think most do have nosewheel steering, unless they're tail-draggers. Of course, these guys may not know what they're talking about. http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...d.main/244971/ Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their nosewheel steering through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 10:35:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... I have to admit ... this is impressive ... steerable nose wheel and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-13r0Keqw#t=302 Beautiful. The real one had nose wheel steering also. https://books.google.com/books?id=ef...eering&f=false -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-4, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... At least as much as pimping clam pizza (yuck) from a place no one in his right mind would want to visit. Right Suzy? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." You got that right. It sounds nasty. |
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On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:11:13 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. === Of course but a B-36 is *is not* a small GA aircraft. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. === John seems to have his nose (wheel) a bit out of joint on this issue, not to mention a certain fixation. |
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On 4/4/2015 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to suit up and take a dip. ;-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 4/4/15 5:37 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. Crikey, Herring, you're like a junkyard dog, but with no teeth. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 16:28:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. === John seems to have his nose (wheel) a bit out of joint on this issue, not to mention a certain fixation. I just didn't realize that he was comparing only small, Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to small Cessnas. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. |
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Keyser says...
" Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. " 'ell no! That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit. You have to think of the better good for the public at large. |
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On 4/4/15 6:12 PM, True North wrote:
Keyser says... " Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. " 'ell no! That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit. You have to think of the better good for the public at large. Well, perhaps he could be restricted to solo flights over the ocean only. He doesn't need any formal training because, you know, toy plane flying is very similar in many aspects to real plane flying. |
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On 4/4/2015 4:46 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to suit up and take a dip. ;-) Most of it has melted or evaporated where it gets sun. Still have large piles but they have shrunk significantly. The shaded areas still have about a foot at most but is melting or evaporating quickly now. Pool is still frozen though. Another couple of weeks and it should all be gone except maybe in the shopping area parking lots. There were mounds over 30 feet high in most of them. |
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On 4/4/15 6:24 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 4:46 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to suit up and take a dip. ;-) Most of it has melted or evaporated where it gets sun. Still have large piles but they have shrunk significantly. The shaded areas still have about a foot at most but is melting or evaporating quickly now. Pool is still frozen though. Another couple of weeks and it should all be gone except maybe in the shopping area parking lots. There were mounds over 30 feet high in most of them. I drove by Rita's yesterday and noticed it was open. Sure harbinger of better weather. |
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On 4/4/2015 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Good! Now can this thread be over? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 4/4/2015 5:42 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Apology isn't necessary. For the most part it was a good discussion. I learned some things about the details that I didn't know before. |
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On 4/4/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. Why? There's not a snowballs chance in hell that he would offer you a ride -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 17:54:33 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. Don't have $10,000 worth of interest. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:12:16 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:
Keyser says... " Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. " 'ell no! That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit. You have to think of the better good for the public at large. Hi Don! Hope you're having a great day. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 4/4/2015 6:19 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 6:12 PM, True North wrote: Keyser says... " Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. " 'ell no! That would be like giving a whacko like Dickson a firearm concealed carry permit. You have to think of the better good for the public at large. Well, perhaps he could be restricted to solo flights over the ocean only. He doesn't need any formal training because, you know, toy plane flying is very similar in many aspects to real plane flying. Posting stolen owl pictures is like producing your own photographic art. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:31:38 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 4/4/2015 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Good! Now can this thread be over? Yup, unless there are more questions about RC airplanes. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:32:36 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/4/2015 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Apology isn't necessary. For the most part it was a good discussion. I learned some things about the details that I didn't know before. Me too. I'd actually read about the Cessna nose wheel dropping (or raising - don't remember which), and then saw your comment on it. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 18:33:25 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 4/4/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. Why? There's not a snowballs chance in hell that he would offer you a ride Too close for too long. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Apology isn't necessary. For the most part it was a good discussion. I learned some things about the details that I didn't know before. Here's something I've never seen - a transmitter initiated electric starter on an RC airplane. http://tinyurl.com/q5yg3fc |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 6:32:38 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Apology isn't necessary. For the most part it was a good discussion. I learned some things about the details that I didn't know before. Here's something I've not seen before - an RC airplane with a transmitter initiated electric starter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcR4OcukyHo |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On 4/4/2015 5:54 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/4/15 5:42 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. My bad. I didn't realize that all your 'dissimilar' comments referred to only the small Cessnas. RC airplanes come in all sizes and models, from small Cessna-like trainers, such as my Apprentice, to something like this C-17 with a wingspan of 12-15' (my guess). I sure wasn't thinking of only one small RC airplane. I apologize for all the confusion. Please let us know when you get your private pilot's license...for real airplanes. I'd encourage anyone with an interest in flying ... RC or "real" to take an introductory lesson. They are inexpensive because the flight school wants you to get "hooked". Most likely it will be a Cessna because they are the most popular aircraft used for initial flight instruction. In most cases the instructor will go through a brief introductory ground school and then let you taxi to the runway and take off. You'll fly the plane around a bit and then he'll talk you through how to fly the pattern for landing and do pre-landing checklist. He'll do the actual landing for the intro flight and for the first few if you decide to continue with lessons. If you get hooked and continue on ... that's where the fun begins and *all* similarities to RC flying goes out the window. Power on stalls, power off stalls, spin recovery, recovery from unusual attitudes while wearing the "hood" ... plus the more mundane things like clearing turns and simply trying to find your way back to the airport when you suddenly realize you don't have a clue where you are. :-) Sure, you can practice some of those things remotely with an RC plane while standing on the ground and watching the effects on the RC plane as you control the flight surfaces and throttle. But it's not the same as when you are buckled in the seat and experiencing them first hand in the seat of your pants. |
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