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Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 10:35:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... I have to admit ... this is impressive ... steerable nose wheel and all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_-13r0Keqw#t=302 Beautiful. The real one had nose wheel steering also. https://books.google.com/books?id=ef...eering&f=false -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H.
wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Saturday, April 4, 2015 at 9:54:59 AM UTC-4, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 4/4/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 8:40 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:01:00 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 4/4/15 7:58 AM, John H. wrote: I know there's lots of RC interest here Not really. Good. I should have added a warning that most of these aircraft will be steerable by the nose or tail wheel. So, you think pimping a model airplane show in Northern Virginia is going to generate a lot of interest here among those who live in the general area? Let's see...our Virginia posters consist of...you. Our D.C. posters consist of...no one. Our Maryland posters consist of...me, and I have no interest in toy planes. Maybe Tim will drive over from SW Illinois... At least as much as pimping clam pizza (yuck) from a place no one in his right mind would want to visit. Right Suzy? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." You got that right. It sounds nasty. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:11:13 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. === Of course but a B-36 is *is not* a small GA aircraft. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. === John seems to have his nose (wheel) a bit out of joint on this issue, not to mention a certain fixation. |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
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Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On 4/4/2015 3:51 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. Is your snow all melted yet? I just checked the pool temp. 90F Time to suit up and take a dip. ;-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
Warbirds over Fredericksburg
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 15:51:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 4/4/2015 2:11 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:47:28 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 11:25:23 -0400, John H. wrote: Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the vast majority having nosewheel steering as well as differential brakes available for taxi. === Just because the front wheel is capable of turning does not imply "nose wheel steering". True nose wheel steering requires the ability to change the angle of the nose wheel by the pilot. Luddite did a pretty good job of explaining all that. I posted a link to a forum manned by many pilots answering questions. If you read the two paragraphs I quoted, you will see the term 'nose wheel steering' in both. Have you ever watched a commercial jet approach the gate? Their nose wheels are turning. Who do you think is changing the angle of the nose wheel? He "Small GA aircraft and military fighters use rudder pedals for the entirety of their steering, the ***vast majority having nosewheel steering*** as well as differential brakes available for taxi. Larger transport category aircraft will use their ***nosewheel steering*** through the tiller, it could be a nice wheel or lever on the Captain's side, even down to a rudimentary little bar like on the Shorts 360. The ***PILOT*** uses either rudder pedals or the tiller to perform ***nose wheel steering***. Luddite did a good job of explaining the steering on a baby Cessna. He used that as part of a rationale to show how 'dissimilar' real aircraft were from RC aircraft. Well, if *all* aircraft were baby Cessnas, his implication would be true. But they're not. Real B-36's used nose wheel steering - controlled by the pilot. http://tinyurl.com/l9jvh76 (page 72 and 73) OK, enough said. I swore I had enough of this John but you keep moving the goal post. I was very careful in saying that I was talking about the aircraft I had the most experience with which is the small Cessna series. I acknowledged that other types of small aircraft *do* have active nose steering. We were never talking about B-36's, commercial jets or other large aircraft which, of course have nose wheel steering. You got hung up on the Cessnas at one point because you found that replacement "steering shafts" for Cessnas are sold. You even provided a link to one of the advertisements and made a snarky comment about why they sell them if a Cessna's nose wheel isn't "steered". What you missed is there's a difference between active and passive steering. Those shafts you saw advertised are the spring loaded struts used in a Cessna's passive nose wheel. .... awww... forget it. I give up. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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