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"Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. |
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:43:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. He'd best drop a few pounds first. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/22/15 8:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. Nah. But watching the GOPers, especially the Teabagger GOPers...it's first class political entertainment as they work overtime to offend as many voting, demographic, racial, ethnic groups as possibile to attract the votes of racist old farts like...oh...several of the posters here in rec.boats. :) My half-bro' up in the New Haven area is "bundling" $5 donations from a bunch of us so he can send about $50 off to each of the GOP crazies, in order to encourage them to make the run. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/22/2015 8:48 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:43:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. He'd best drop a few pounds first. And wear a sports bra. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. Actually, I think he should. I would vote for him. |
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On 3/22/2015 8:56 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/22/15 8:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. Nah. But watching the GOPers, especially the Teabagger GOPers...it's first class political entertainment as they work overtime to offend as many voting, demographic, racial, ethnic groups as possibile to attract the votes of racist old farts like...oh...several of the posters here in rec.boats. :) My half-bro' up in the New Haven area is "bundling" $5 donations from a bunch of us so he can send about $50 off to each of the GOP crazies, in order to encourage them to make the run. "half-bro"? White folks don't talk like that. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/22/2015 9:01 AM, Tom Nofinger wrote:
On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. Actually, I think he should. I would vote for him. You would? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 10:24:49 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/22/15 10:22 AM, wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:32:22 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. It is sad when the polls say our best hope is a corrupt old woman. Well, your best hopes are crazy loonytarians... Here. Learn something about Democrats. https://www.youtube.com/embed/pELwCqz2JfE?feature= -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 6:09:47 AM UTC-7, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/22/2015 9:01 AM, Tom Nofinger wrote: On Sunday, March 22, 2015 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. Actually, I think he should. I would vote for him. You would? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." Only in a primary, hoping he would get a nomination, and watch the other demo-clowns eat him alive in the debates. |
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On 3/23/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:17 -0400, wrote: That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. === Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned both of the major parties are controlled by loonies. It has become increasingly difficult for me to remain optimistic about this country. Never felt this way before. We have a totally dysfunctional government. Half the world hates us. Long term allies are abandoning us. Russia is reigniting the cold war. Over a dozen countries harbor ISIS or ISIS affiliates who want to kill us. The number of people on means-tested welfare is at an all time high. Unemployment numbers are skewed to appear to be improving but anyone actively searching the job market knows differently. This reminds me of the Carter years "malaise" but for different reasons and I think it's worse. Americans simply don't feel good about their country anymore. We need some fresh, strong leadership to deliver the country out of this psychological depression. Need someone to raise spirits, deliver some realistic reasons to be proud again and let that optimism fuel the way to a real recovery, international respect and leadership. |
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On 3/23/2015 2:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:17 -0400, wrote: That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. === Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned both of the major parties are controlled by loonies. It has become increasingly difficult for me to remain optimistic about this country. Never felt this way before. We have a totally dysfunctional government. Half the world hates us. Long term allies are abandoning us. Russia is reigniting the cold war. Over a dozen countries harbor ISIS or ISIS affiliates who want to kill us. The number of people on means-tested welfare is at an all time high. Unemployment numbers are skewed to appear to be improving but anyone actively searching the job market knows differently. This reminds me of the Carter years "malaise" but for different reasons and I think it's worse. Americans simply don't feel good about their country anymore. We need some fresh, strong leadership to deliver the country out of this psychological depression. Need someone to raise spirits, deliver some realistic reasons to be proud again and let that optimism fuel the way to a real recovery, international respect and leadership. Do you think things will change for the better once the current administration is put out to pasture? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:48:10 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/23/2015 2:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/23/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:17 -0400, wrote: That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. === Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned both of the major parties are controlled by loonies. It has become increasingly difficult for me to remain optimistic about this country. Never felt this way before. We have a totally dysfunctional government. Half the world hates us. Long term allies are abandoning us. Russia is reigniting the cold war. Over a dozen countries harbor ISIS or ISIS affiliates who want to kill us. The number of people on means-tested welfare is at an all time high. Unemployment numbers are skewed to appear to be improving but anyone actively searching the job market knows differently. This reminds me of the Carter years "malaise" but for different reasons and I think it's worse. Americans simply don't feel good about their country anymore. We need some fresh, strong leadership to deliver the country out of this psychological depression. Need someone to raise spirits, deliver some realistic reasons to be proud again and let that optimism fuel the way to a real recovery, international respect and leadership. Do you think things will change for the better once the current administration is put out to pasture? I don't think they could get much worse. I have to agree with Luddite on this. It's depressing as hell. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/23/2015 2:48 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/23/2015 2:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/23/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:17 -0400, wrote: That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. === Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned both of the major parties are controlled by loonies. It has become increasingly difficult for me to remain optimistic about this country. Never felt this way before. We have a totally dysfunctional government. Half the world hates us. Long term allies are abandoning us. Russia is reigniting the cold war. Over a dozen countries harbor ISIS or ISIS affiliates who want to kill us. The number of people on means-tested welfare is at an all time high. Unemployment numbers are skewed to appear to be improving but anyone actively searching the job market knows differently. This reminds me of the Carter years "malaise" but for different reasons and I think it's worse. Americans simply don't feel good about their country anymore. We need some fresh, strong leadership to deliver the country out of this psychological depression. Need someone to raise spirits, deliver some realistic reasons to be proud again and let that optimism fuel the way to a real recovery, international respect and leadership. Do you think things will change for the better once the current administration is put out to pasture? All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:25:19 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 3/23/15 12:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:16:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 11:50 AM, wrote: Did you ever listen to Gary Johnson? Yup. Perfectly decent guy. He'd have a chance running for the Democratic nomination and presidency, but as a Libertarian nominee, he's never going to get elected, and the Repugnants would never nominate him. That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. Sure, a lib could win a statewide race or even a congressional district rate but I don't see anything more than a "spoiler" against the total vote in a national race. In a parliamentary system, which we don't have, the lib party might do ok. === The two party system we have now is certainly not getting the job done. Congressional term limits would be a good start but it's not enough. |
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On 3/23/15 5:01 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:25:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 12:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:16:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 11:50 AM, wrote: Did you ever listen to Gary Johnson? Yup. Perfectly decent guy. He'd have a chance running for the Democratic nomination and presidency, but as a Libertarian nominee, he's never going to get elected, and the Repugnants would never nominate him. That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. Sure, a lib could win a statewide race or even a congressional district rate but I don't see anything more than a "spoiler" against the total vote in a national race. In a parliamentary system, which we don't have, the lib party might do ok. The biggest problem libertarians have is they do not draw the corporate bribe money the Ds and Rs get because part of their fiscal policy is cutting the corporate welfare from the government. That may be *a* problem libertarians have, but I don't believe it is *the* problem. *The* problem, in my opinion, is that any number of libertarian candidates for high office are crackpots and therefore in the minds of the average voters, the libertarian party and its candidates are mostly crackpots. The GOP, of course, is also infested with crackpots, but on the national ticket, they typically do not pick one as the standard bearer except, of course, in 2008, when MooseMama made it onto the ticket. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:08:31 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:01 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 14:25:19 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 12:57 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:16:46 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 11:50 AM, wrote: Did you ever listen to Gary Johnson? Yup. Perfectly decent guy. He'd have a chance running for the Democratic nomination and presidency, but as a Libertarian nominee, he's never going to get elected, and the Repugnants would never nominate him. That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. Sure, a lib could win a statewide race or even a congressional district rate but I don't see anything more than a "spoiler" against the total vote in a national race. In a parliamentary system, which we don't have, the lib party might do ok. The biggest problem libertarians have is they do not draw the corporate bribe money the Ds and Rs get because part of their fiscal policy is cutting the corporate welfare from the government. That may be *a* problem libertarians have, but I don't believe it is *the* problem. *The* problem, in my opinion, is that any number of libertarian candidates for high office are crackpots and therefore in the minds of the average voters, the libertarian party and its candidates are mostly crackpots. The GOP, of course, is also infested with crackpots, but on the national ticket, they typically do not pick one as the standard bearer except, of course, in 2008, when MooseMama made it onto the ticket. Unfortunately you define a crackpot as anyone who disagrees with your opinion on anything. I can't think of a bigger crackpot than Al Gore and he is a hero of yours. And as usual you are wrong. On both counts. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 22 Mar 2015 08:43:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/22/2015 8:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: ...is about to start: "Sen. Ted Cruz plans to announce Monday that he will run for president of the United States, accelerating his already rapid three-year rise from a tea party insurgent in Texas into a divisive political force in Washington." That would be the Teabagger Derby, of course, in which a plethora of really crazy Republicans affiliated with the Teabagger Party, announce they are running for POTUS. Who will be next after Ted? Michele Bachmann? The $9.99 Pizza Guy? The Newties? Should be fun to watch. Remember Harry. Even *you* could run if you wanted to. He'd best drop a few pounds first. And pay his taxes. |
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On 23 Mar 2015 23:22:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:08:31 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Unfortunately you define a crackpot as anyone who disagrees with your opinion on anything. I can't think of a bigger crackpot than Al Gore and he is a hero of yours. And as usual you are wrong. On both counts. Since everyone you disagree with is called some kind of name I let the first statement stand on it's own merits and if you don't think a guy who makes his living selling "carbon credits" generated by south american governments that have no control of the trees they are selling, is a crack pot, you need to work on your definition of the word Your first statement is bull****. I don't think Gore is a crackpot. He's not a hero of mine though I do believe our country and the world would be a lot better off if the Bush family and the Supremes hadn't stolen the 2000 election. You really don't get much right with your pronouncements about posters here. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. My neighbor has a very large front yard. It used to be a big hay field but over the years he's been mowing it, weeding it and developing a nice looking lawn. Each spring however there are huge boulders "growing" in the lawn that weren't there the previous fall. Some are huge... weighing over 1200lbs. I know that because I help him dig them out with the back hoe on my tractor and then try to pick them up with the bucket. It's rated to lift 1200 lbs. Some I couldn't pick up and had to push them off into the woods. They aren't "growing". When the ground freezes each winter they are slowly pushed upward until they break the surface and continue to "grow" each winter until we dig them out. |
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On 3/23/2015 8:44 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote: On 23 Mar 2015 23:22:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:08:31 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Unfortunately you define a crackpot as anyone who disagrees with your opinion on anything. I can't think of a bigger crackpot than Al Gore and he is a hero of yours. And as usual you are wrong. On both counts. Since everyone you disagree with is called some kind of name I let the first statement stand on it's own merits and if you don't think a guy who makes his living selling "carbon credits" generated by south american governments that have no control of the trees they are selling, is a crack pot, you need to work on your definition of the word Your first statement is bull****. I don't think Gore is a crackpot. He's not a hero of mine though I do believe our country and the world would be a lot better off if the Bush family and the Supremes hadn't stolen the 2000 election. You really don't get much right with your pronouncements about posters here. Here. Now you can relax. http://www.theglobaledition.com/breaking-news-florida-finishes-counting-votes-al-gore-wins/ |
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On 3/23/15 9:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:44 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On 23 Mar 2015 23:22:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:08:31 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Unfortunately you define a crackpot as anyone who disagrees with your opinion on anything. I can't think of a bigger crackpot than Al Gore and he is a hero of yours. And as usual you are wrong. On both counts. Since everyone you disagree with is called some kind of name I let the first statement stand on it's own merits and if you don't think a guy who makes his living selling "carbon credits" generated by south american governments that have no control of the trees they are selling, is a crack pot, you need to work on your definition of the word Your first statement is bull****. I don't think Gore is a crackpot. He's not a hero of mine though I do believe our country and the world would be a lot better off if the Bush family and the Supremes hadn't stolen the 2000 election. You really don't get much right with your pronouncements about posters here. Here. Now you can relax. http://www.theglobaledition.com/breaking-news-florida-finishes-counting-votes-al-gore-wins/ Terrific! Al won, 9-11 didn't happen, we didn't go to war against Iraq and Afghanistan, and the economy didn't tank. Whew...what a relief. :) -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/23/2015 9:33 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/23/15 9:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:44 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On 23 Mar 2015 23:22:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:08:31 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: Unfortunately you define a crackpot as anyone who disagrees with your opinion on anything. I can't think of a bigger crackpot than Al Gore and he is a hero of yours. And as usual you are wrong. On both counts. Since everyone you disagree with is called some kind of name I let the first statement stand on it's own merits and if you don't think a guy who makes his living selling "carbon credits" generated by south american governments that have no control of the trees they are selling, is a crack pot, you need to work on your definition of the word Your first statement is bull****. I don't think Gore is a crackpot. He's not a hero of mine though I do believe our country and the world would be a lot better off if the Bush family and the Supremes hadn't stolen the 2000 election. You really don't get much right with your pronouncements about posters here. Here. Now you can relax. http://www.theglobaledition.com/breaking-news-florida-finishes-counting-votes-al-gore-wins/ Terrific! Al won, 9-11 didn't happen, we didn't go to war against Iraq and Afghanistan, and the economy didn't tank. Whew...what a relief. :) Unfortunately, the 9-11 attack was conceived in 1995 in the middle of the Clinton/Gore administration. bin Laden learned of the plan and issued a fatwa in 1996 calling for the American troop removal from Saudi Arabia and another fatwa in 1998 declaring war on all Americans. Again ... Clinton/Gore administration. In 1998 the CIA reported to Clinton that an attack involving the hijacking of commercial airplanes was being planned. Clinton/Gore administration. There's no reason to believe that 9-11 wouldn't have happened under a Gore presidency. What would have happened afterwards is pure conjecture except for the economy tanking. That also was well underway, regardless of who was president and some of the policies of the Clinton administration and his Democratic partners contributed to it. |
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Boating All Out wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 18:51:04 -0500, Boating All Out wrote: In article , says... On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:08:31 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: *The* problem, in my opinion, is that any number of libertarian candidates for high office are crackpots and therefore in the minds of the average voters, the libertarian party and its candidates are mostly crackpots. The GOP, of course, is also infested with crackpots, but on the national ticket, they typically do not pick one as the standard bearer except, of course, in 2008, when MooseMama made it onto the ticket. Unfortunately you define a crackpot as anyone who disagrees with your opinion on anything. I can't think of a bigger crackpot than Al Gore and he is a hero of yours. The voters define crackpots. That's why loonitarians do so poorly. They are normally millionaires, and they look out for millionaires. Cutting SS, Medicare and Medicaid in half won't fly. When voters agree to that - is when hell freezes over. I don't know why the loonies don't understand that. Who, in national politics, is not a millionaire. If they aren't the first time they are elected, they become one pretty quickly. I understand doing anything to medicare and SS are the 3d rail of politics but it is doomed by demographics and it is destined to fall from it's own weight and it is probably too late to do much of anything about it. There is no amount of taxation that would fix it. When you have 2 workers per retiree and each retiree is getting more money than either of the workers makes (SS plus medical care) , it can't go on. Medicare has been upside down for well over a decade and SS has been upside down for years itself. Entitlements eat EVERY DIME of revenue and we borrow everything else, including defense. How is that sustainable? Who is the crackpot, the guy who points that out or the one who says everything is fine? You're overwrought. It's nothing a little tinkering won't fix. I won't tell you how, because you chose not to believe it. But that's your choice. A little tinkering? You are a ****ing nutcase. We are both financially and morally bankrupt as a nation. A little tinkering is going to fix an government that borrows 40 cents of every dollar it spends? You ISIS is just a bunch of punks also. |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. |
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On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/24/2015 7:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:20:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. We don't have it nearly so bad. The stuff left on the road gets ground to powder by tires and then rained or blown away. The stuff on sides just 'dissipates' somehow. I've never seen a sweeper go after it. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't require repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them freshly painted. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/24/2015 7:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) Harry lies and you swear to it. ;-) What percentage of federal and state road taxes collected are used to repair and improve the road system in your state, as compared to Florida. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/24/2015 9:47 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/24/2015 7:27 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) Harry lies and you swear to it. ;-) What percentage of federal and state road taxes collected are used to repair and improve the road system in your state, as compared to Florida. Beats me. I thought we were discussing what area has more bridge and overpass corrosion due to their relative climates ... Florida or the Northeast. If you are looking for how gasoline taxes and tolls contribute to a state's spending on road systems, here's a chart. As the article states, it's only about a third of the total amount spent. The rest comes from other revenue sources. I think you have to also consider the size of the states, miles of roads and number of bridges and users. The chart isn't a relative comparison of who spends the most or least per capita. http://taxfoundation.org/article/gasoline-taxes-and-tolls-pay-only-third-state-local-road-spending |
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On 3/24/2015 10:13 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:27:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/24/2015 7:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. :) And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) You are not that fond of cars that lived near the beach. BTW if you look at the car carriers, used cars move south, not north,. Of course. Florida is full of snowbirds shipping cars south and retirees getting out of Dodge. Come to think of it, just about *everything* that ends up in Florida, especially where you are, arrives from the north. A used "Florida" car commands a premium in the used car lots up here. They haven't been driven for years in the sand/salt slush that rots out the fenders and frames. |
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