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On 3/23/2015 2:48 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/23/2015 2:37 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/23/2015 1:17 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 12:57:17 -0400, wrote: That is the problem with the two party system. If you don't fit into their category exactly, you are out. Johnson could run as a democrat in New Mexico or Montana but he wouldn't stand a chance on either coast ... in either party. He is too liberal for the republicans and to conservative for the democrats. It leaves people like me who are socially liberal and fiscally conservative with no place to go. === Exactly right. As far as I'm concerned both of the major parties are controlled by loonies. It has become increasingly difficult for me to remain optimistic about this country. Never felt this way before. We have a totally dysfunctional government. Half the world hates us. Long term allies are abandoning us. Russia is reigniting the cold war. Over a dozen countries harbor ISIS or ISIS affiliates who want to kill us. The number of people on means-tested welfare is at an all time high. Unemployment numbers are skewed to appear to be improving but anyone actively searching the job market knows differently. This reminds me of the Carter years "malaise" but for different reasons and I think it's worse. Americans simply don't feel good about their country anymore. We need some fresh, strong leadership to deliver the country out of this psychological depression. Need someone to raise spirits, deliver some realistic reasons to be proud again and let that optimism fuel the way to a real recovery, international respect and leadership. Do you think things will change for the better once the current administration is put out to pasture? All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. |
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On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. |
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On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is.  -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/24/2015 7:23 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/24/15 7:20 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. No matter how severe the environment is for infrastructure in the northeast, Gregg assures us it is far, far worse in SW Florida. Well, of course it is. And used Florida cars are not highly desirable up here due to their lack of rust and frame rot. :-) |
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On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 07:20:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/24/2015 6:52 AM, John H. wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:17:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. They sweep the roads to get the salt mix up? Down here it washes off with the rain or melting snow, but I've never seen it swept. I am sure much of it washes away into storm drains but every spring the town and state highway departments are out with the big street sweepers, picking up what is left. It's recycled and used again. In areas where you get a lot of snow the first thing that is done in a storm is treating the roadways, overpasses and bridges with treated sand. Bridges and overpasses are important because they will freeze before the roadways. Then, as it snows the mess is plowed to the side and the treated sand is applied again. This will happen many times during a major storm and the sand and salt in the plowed snow piles stays there until there's a major melt. We still have 3 4 foot snow banks on all the roads up here from the storms we had in January and February. The corrosive sand and salt mixture just sits there for weeks and months. We don't have it nearly so bad. The stuff left on the road gets ground to powder by tires and then rained or blown away. The stuff on sides just 'dissipates' somehow. I've never seen a sweeper go after it. I think Greg forgets that I spent three winters living in Florida where there were many bridges and overpasses. I never saw sand blasting and repainting of any of them. I am sure it happens from time to time but not to the extent that you see in the northeast. During the summer months there are crews out constantly sand blasting and repainting the bridge and overpass structures. Probably a lot more of your basic concrete beam bridges which don't require repainting regularly - too many kids with spray cans keep them freshly painted. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner behavior causes problems. |
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On 3/23/2015 9:17 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/23/2015 8:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 17:38:20 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/23/15 5:20 PM, wrote: On Mon, 23 Mar 2015 15:02:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: All depends on who is the replacement. I don't see Hillary as having what it takes. She'll be too busy ducking answers to questions and asking why we don't simply respect the fact that she's the first woman president. If this was not such a corrupt government and so many scams going on, I would suggest a 20 cent hike in the gasoline tax that went for absolutely NOTHING BUT fixing roads and bridges. The thing that prevents me form being serious about it, is how badly the government is in spending money like this on what they were supposed to be collecting it for. In states like Florida, it would actually go into the roads but up north, where they really need infrastructure improvements, the money gets siphoned off into totally unrelated programs. That is why Florida only has around 2% of their bridges in trouble and that is up in the double digits in California, New York and the North East states. Wrong. The reason is that Florida doesn't have a freeze-thaw cycle that lasts half the year, it seems, as the northeast states do. *That* and the salt are the killers of road infrastructure. There is plenty of salt here. Most of the bridges go over salt water. Freeze thaw can be an issue but not if the road is properly engineered. Usually frost heaves are when they did a quicky patch last time. Water gets under the patch and blows it out when it freezes. It is still undeniable that the places with the biggest road and bridge problems have diverted road building money to other things like trains people won't ride or simply to patch other holes in their budget instead of patching holes in the bridge. I doubt very much that the bridges in Florida are subjected to the amount of salt corrosion that the bridges up here are subjected to. Down there you get plenty of rain that rinses any salt spray that wind might deposit on them. Up here the salting starts with the first freezing sleet or snow and continues all winter. It's only swept up in the spring. My neighbor has a very large front yard. It used to be a big hay field but over the years he's been mowing it, weeding it and developing a nice looking lawn. Each spring however there are huge boulders "growing" in the lawn that weren't there the previous fall. Some are huge... weighing over 1200lbs. I know that because I help him dig them out with the back hoe on my tractor and then try to pick them up with the bucket. It's rated to lift 1200 lbs. Some I couldn't pick up and had to push them off into the woods. They aren't "growing". When the ground freezes each winter they are slowly pushed upward until they break the surface and continue to "grow" each winter until we dig them out. Ask any car dealer or mechanic if he wants to work on a car from Boston, or Baton rouge... |
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