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Keyser SÃ¶ze

On 3/19/15 9:11 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 20:14:04 -0400, Keyser SÃ¶ze
wrote:

On 3/19/15 8:04 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 18:19:31 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 19 Mar 2015 13:03:49 -0400, wrote:

I don't know why you call them "so called". There was a Palestine on
the map long before there was an Israel.

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It's a zionist position that there are no true Palestinians.

Yeah they think the land was vacant when they started piling in from
Europe in the 40s.
All you have to do is look at any map from before WWII to see
Palestine, right where Israel is now.
The "Israelis" are the ones who simply made up a name (actually dug it
out of genesis) and conquered the land for a country reprising the
4000 year old tradition.

It is sort of like the 20th century tradition of Germany conquering
half of Europe, twice, just for old time's sake.

Oh, you boys are talking *modern* history. Sorry, the history I studied
goes back a bit farther...to a mention of Israel in least the 13th
Century BCE with the Merneptah stele, and the word was in existence
before then to refer to the land of the people of Moses, who may have
lived several centuries earlier.

This predates the ancient Greek and Roman use of a form of the word
Palestine by nearly 1000 years.

Land typically belongs to the people who stayed there, not the ones
who moved 1000 miles away to start a life as Europeans.
I doubt I have any land claims in the area around York UK or Ireland
and my people only left about 150-175 years ago.
BTW do you think there is a chance that the "Israel" reference was
inserted later by european historians, like the idea that Jesus was a
white blond haired guy.

Naw. A reputable writer on the era is Paula McNutt, an archeologist who
teaches at a Catholic university. She's considered an expert.

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