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On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze
wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. |
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On Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 1:19:31 AM UTC-4, Wayne. B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I agree |
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On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet? That was what was added to 7. Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7. I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change. Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make money if people just say "I'm good". When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful. Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging software packages. The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7 computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1. XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7 and 8 can. |
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On 3/15/2015 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. Nobody has showed me a compelling reason to get rid of XP. If your applications do not change, why should your computer change? I find it amusing that harry, who normally likes to rail on about how corporations screw consumers, falls for this planned obsolescence scam. They are tricking the public into throwing away perfectly good systems and buying new ones, not getting any real productivity gain, only pumping up the bottom line of Microsoft and the off shore hardware manufacturers. I know this will make harry's head explode but I just got the duty of managing boat ramp keys and I am doing it on dBase IV, the DOS version. This is a pure text operation and I am consolidating data from 4 separate systems that do not talk to each other. I know of no windoze application that would do it without massive amounts of new data entry. It actually felt good to dust off my old coding skills and write the routines that were able to merge all of these formats into a single searchable database. I have an old Thinkpad with DOS 6,3 loaded on it and I am thinking about putting the key application on it just for old times sake ;-) This is a P1 100 machine with 64 meg on it and DOS runs like a scalded dog. You can "ramdisk" all of your DASD into memory and crunching databases really screams. These databases really only have 400 records in one and 130 in the other so it is fast anyway. I am also working on the interactive map application that will let you click on a lot and get all of the data for that owner, similar to the LEEPA..ORG property appraiser site. That will be web based so it is a it more GUI intensive. I am still using my dBase application to develop the data for that application, exporting it as TXT files that the web site will access. It's obvious that for your personal requirements the older generation operating systems are fine. You apparently are a stand alone operator with no need to file share or allow others to have access to the software you use or write on newer computers. You remind me of a luthier friend I have. He has a small CNC machine that he uses to to cut out the mother of pearl inlays he puts on the guitars he builds. It is controlled by a Win 95 laptop which is the only thing it is used for. He dreads the day it dies because he'll have to upgrade both the computer and the design software he uses for the inlays. In most cases that I have experienced over the years an operating system becomes obsolete over time due to new applications or software that is released that the older operating systems (and computer hardware) either have difficulty running or cannot run at all. I still have a laptop that runs XP. I even have a laptop that has Win 95 on it. Both work fine but neither can do what my newer, Win 7 computer can do .... or even the 6 year old Vista laptop I am using right now. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:32:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: In most cases that I have experienced over the years an operating system becomes obsolete over time due to new applications or software that is released that the older operating systems (and computer hardware) either have difficulty running or cannot run at all. === I've found that if you want to take advantage of newer, more powerful hardware (CPU chips, large memory arrays, USB devices, hard drives, etc.), that you need one of the newer operating systems. Software writers are understandably reluctant to retrofit hardware support for newer devices into an obsolete OS. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On 3/15/2015 1:19 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I haven't had a windows 8 crash yet. That's gotta count for something, eh? And touch screen gesturing makes some tasks easier and quicker. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/15 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. Nobody has showed me a compelling reason to get rid of XP. If your applications do not change, why should your computer change? I find it amusing that harry, who normally likes to rail on about how corporations screw consumers, falls for this planned obsolescence scam. They are tricking the public into throwing away perfectly good systems and buying new ones, not getting any real productivity gain, only pumping up the bottom line of Microsoft and the off shore hardware manufacturers. I know this will make harry's head explode but I just got the duty of managing boat ramp keys and I am doing it on dBase IV, the DOS version. This is a pure text operation and I am consolidating data from 4 separate systems that do not talk to each other. I know of no windoze application that would do it without massive amounts of new data entry. It actually felt good to dust off my old coding skills and write the routines that were able to merge all of these formats into a single searchable database. I have an old Thinkpad with DOS 6,3 loaded on it and I am thinking about putting the key application on it just for old times sake ;-) This is a P1 100 machine with 64 meg on it and DOS runs like a scalded dog. You can "ramdisk" all of your DASD into memory and crunching databases really screams. These databases really only have 400 records in one and 130 in the other so it is fast anyway. I am also working on the interactive map application that will let you click on a lot and get all of the data for that owner, similar to the LEEPA..ORG property appraiser site. That will be web based so it is a it more GUI intensive. I am still using my dBase application to develop the data for that application, exporting it as TXT files that the web site will access. Wow...dBase. When I got my first IBM PC the year it came out, I used Volkswriter as a word processor and sometime that was called, I think, PC-File. I did graduate to a version of dBase for a while and then I moved over to rBase on the PC. These days, I use something called Filemaker to maintain several databases. I'm at least several versions behind on Filemaker, though. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/15/2015 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. Nobody has showed me a compelling reason to get rid of XP. If your applications do not change, why should your computer change? I find it amusing that harry, who normally likes to rail on about how corporations screw consumers, falls for this planned obsolescence scam. They are tricking the public into throwing away perfectly good systems and buying new ones, not getting any real productivity gain, only pumping up the bottom line of Microsoft and the off shore hardware manufacturers. I know this will make harry's head explode but I just got the duty of managing boat ramp keys and I am doing it on dBase IV, the DOS version. This is a pure text operation and I am consolidating data from 4 separate systems that do not talk to each other. I know of no windoze application that would do it without massive amounts of new data entry. It actually felt good to dust off my old coding skills and write the routines that were able to merge all of these formats into a single searchable database. I have an old Thinkpad with DOS 6,3 loaded on it and I am thinking about putting the key application on it just for old times sake ;-) This is a P1 100 machine with 64 meg on it and DOS runs like a scalded dog. You can "ramdisk" all of your DASD into memory and crunching databases really screams. These databases really only have 400 records in one and 130 in the other so it is fast anyway. I am also working on the interactive map application that will let you click on a lot and get all of the data for that owner, similar to the LEEPA..ORG property appraiser site. That will be web based so it is a it more GUI intensive. I am still using my dBase application to develop the data for that application, exporting it as TXT files that the web site will access. LEEPA..ORG ? Tell me more. I use Zillow but it is only fairly accurate with historical data and estimates are off too. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 08:52:10 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/15/2015 1:19 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I haven't had a windows 8 crash yet. That's gotta count for something, eh? And touch screen gesturing makes some tasks easier and quicker. Hows that motorhome working out for you? Got any trips planned up this way? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. === Or possibly an interaction with ad blocking or anti virus software. I use Firefox (with Win 7) most of the time but certain videos will not play unless I switch to Internet Explorer. |
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On 3/15/15 9:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. Save your data and do a hard reformat of your C drive. Reinstall Windoze and only those programs you actually use. Reinstall a fresh copy of Firefox. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/15/2015 9:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. Shockwave plug in. There are two types. You need both. The Firefox Help website can instruct. |
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On 3/15/2015 9:41 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. === Or possibly an interaction with ad blocking or anti virus software. I use Firefox (with Win 7) most of the time but certain videos will not play unless I switch to Internet Explorer. Could be, I suppose. I have "Ad-Block" running and I use AVG for anti-virus. Once in a while a site with a video will detect that Ad-Block is enabled and running and will prevent the video from playing. If I really want to see it I can do a one time "allow" in the Ad-Block setting, put up with the advertisement and then see the video. I think it would do the same in Internet Explorer as well (if you are using Ad-Block). It only happens once in a great while though. Most of the time I can view any of the videos (minus the ads) with no problem. |
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On 3/15/2015 8:19 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. Firefox is fine. The only real issue with it is Flash Player's security vulnerabilities. Flash player works fine with I.E. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/15 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet? That was what was added to 7. Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7. I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change. Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make money if people just say "I'm good". When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful. Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging software packages. The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7 computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1. XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7 and 8 can. You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100 work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual improvements in productivity. My wife, who uses some top drawer database applications but who stays as far away as possible from "interfacing" with the OS, isn't reporting any problems with Win 7 on her home office computer, aside from occasionally recalcitrant peripheral hardware issues. One annoying one: if she is VPN'ing to the downtown office/servers and wants to print out something locally, it is cumbersome to make that happen because the downtown gear wants her to use one of the printers at those offices. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 3/15/2015 9:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. You have to use a flash plugin in Firefox. And Mozilla makes no bones about what it thinks of Flashplayer. It can be made to work in most cases, though. Just don't give it more authority than you have to. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 9:39 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. It's not worth fretting about. Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 10:01 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:32:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 2:26 AM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. Nobody has showed me a compelling reason to get rid of XP. If your applications do not change, why should your computer change? I find it amusing that harry, who normally likes to rail on about how corporations screw consumers, falls for this planned obsolescence scam. They are tricking the public into throwing away perfectly good systems and buying new ones, not getting any real productivity gain, only pumping up the bottom line of Microsoft and the off shore hardware manufacturers. I know this will make harry's head explode but I just got the duty of managing boat ramp keys and I am doing it on dBase IV, the DOS version. This is a pure text operation and I am consolidating data from 4 separate systems that do not talk to each other. I know of no windoze application that would do it without massive amounts of new data entry. It actually felt good to dust off my old coding skills and write the routines that were able to merge all of these formats into a single searchable database. I have an old Thinkpad with DOS 6,3 loaded on it and I am thinking about putting the key application on it just for old times sake ;-) This is a P1 100 machine with 64 meg on it and DOS runs like a scalded dog. You can "ramdisk" all of your DASD into memory and crunching databases really screams. These databases really only have 400 records in one and 130 in the other so it is fast anyway. I am also working on the interactive map application that will let you click on a lot and get all of the data for that owner, similar to the LEEPA..ORG property appraiser site. That will be web based so it is a it more GUI intensive. I am still using my dBase application to develop the data for that application, exporting it as TXT files that the web site will access. It's obvious that for your personal requirements the older generation operating systems are fine. You apparently are a stand alone operator with no need to file share or allow others to have access to the software you use or write on newer computers. You remind me of a luthier friend I have. He has a small CNC machine that he uses to to cut out the mother of pearl inlays he puts on the guitars he builds. It is controlled by a Win 95 laptop which is the only thing it is used for. He dreads the day it dies because he'll have to upgrade both the computer and the design software he uses for the inlays. In most cases that I have experienced over the years an operating system becomes obsolete over time due to new applications or software that is released that the older operating systems (and computer hardware) either have difficulty running or cannot run at all. I still have a laptop that runs XP. I even have a laptop that has Win 95 on it. Both work fine but neither can do what my newer, Win 7 computer can do .... or even the 6 year old Vista laptop I am using right now. What can't you do? One thing is view or edit videos in mp4 or .mov format. My wife, my daughter and daughter-in-law in SC often send videos taken with their iPhones. QuickTime or another third party viewer is required in XP and Vista. Win 7 can view and edit using Windows media player and Movie Maker. In general, the Win 7 and Vista computers are faster, have far fewer "crashes" and have no problems either in browsing the web, playing a game or general use. Obviously email and newsgroup functions don't task a computer much. I haven't used XP for quite a while. |
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On 3/15/2015 9:59 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet? That was what was added to 7. Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7. I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change. Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make money if people just say "I'm good". When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful. Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging software packages. The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7 computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1. XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7 and 8 can. You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100 work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual improvements in productivity. I don't think you're an average home user. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 10:11 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 9:59 AM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet? That was what was added to 7. Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7. I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change. Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make money if people just say "I'm good". When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful. Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging software packages. The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7 computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1. XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7 and 8 can. You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100 work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual improvements in productivity. My wife, who uses some top drawer database applications but who stays as far away as possible from "interfacing" with the OS, isn't reporting any problems with Win 7 on her home office computer, aside from occasionally recalcitrant peripheral hardware issues. One annoying one: if she is VPN'ing to the downtown office/servers and wants to print out something locally, it is cumbersome to make that happen because the downtown gear wants her to use one of the printers at those offices. Does her administrator trust her to copy or download files? If so the solution is simple. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 10:31 AM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:59 AM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:08:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 12:58 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 19:55:04 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/14/15 7:30 PM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. Why would I want windoze 8 if I don't have a touch screen tablet? That was what was added to 7. Oh. I wouldn't know, since the last Windoze I knew anything about was 7. I think that simply the number of commercial users who are staying on XP demonstrates that there is no real functional reason to change. Microsoft is pushing 7, 8 and even 9 on us because they can't make money if people just say "I'm good". When I was actually working in the computer business, I found that the people who stayed one generation behind were the most successful. Most of the commercial applications of XP are in card readers, cash registers, ATM machines, etc. They aren't trying to run challenging software packages. The company I occasionally consult to had a mix of XP and Win 7 computers. The Win 7 machines were used in the engineering and drafting departments because they were running Solid Works CAD software that the XP machines struggled with. The XP computers were being used in the administrative offices. About two months ago all the XP machines were replaced as well. I don't know what they are using but I assume they are either Win 7 or Win 8.1. XP was good. Win 7 is better, IMO. Even Win 3.1 was a good, stable OS but eventually the requirements of new software or file formats outpaces the OS. Simple example: XP (or Vista) can't run mp4 files but Win 7 and 8 can. You have still not given the average home user like me a compelling reason to change. You are also not giving a big office user with 100 work stations still doing the same job they were doing 10 years ago a reason to change. It is the software vendors them selves, working in concert to force obsolescence on their customers by encouraging incompatible file formats into the industry with no actual improvements in productivity. I don't think you're an average home user. Nor do I. I think Greg is very knowledgeable about computers but I have a sense that he enjoys finding work-arounds and ways of keeping older equipment doing what he wants it to do ... for his purposes. The average home user (like me) are more interested in simply using a computer than finding ways to make obsolete machines function. Computers and OS have come a long way, IMO, and prices have dropped in a major way. A $400 Dell or HP laptop today is much more powerful than a $1,500 version was 15 years ago. |
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On 3/15/2015 9:21 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 08:52:10 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 3/15/2015 1:19 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I haven't had a windows 8 crash yet. That's gotta count for something, eh? And touch screen gesturing makes some tasks easier and quicker. Hows that motorhome working out for you? Got any trips planned up this way? Great. The closest I will be to you in the foreseeable future is Kentucky? If you have the wanderlust we might be able to hookup somewhere. As you know, I don't discuss my plans in forums. :-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 9:41 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. === Or possibly an interaction with ad blocking or anti virus software. I use Firefox (with Win 7) most of the time but certain videos will not play unless I switch to Internet Explorer. Ditto. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 9:45 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 3/15/15 9:39 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. Save your data and do a hard reformat of your C drive. Reinstall Windoze and only those programs you actually use. Reinstall a fresh copy of Firefox. Right. Snerk. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sunday, 15 March 2015 11:47:06 UTC-3, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:21 AM, John H. wrote: Hows that motorhome working out for you? Got any trips planned up this way? Great. The closest I will be to you in the foreseeable future is Kentucky? If you have the wanderlust we might be able to hookup somewhere. As you know, I don't discuss my plans in forums. :-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan "Hookup"??? Please...this is a family newsgroup and it's Sunday also. Keep it clean! |
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On 3/15/2015 10:39 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:01:07 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. Firefox is fine. The only real issue with it is Flash Player's security vulnerabilities. Flash player works fine with I.E. Since he said "outlook" I suspect Microsoft just doesn't play well with firefox or the brand of flash you are using. Who said outlook? If it was in one of Harry's links, I generally don't open them. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 12:14 PM, True North wrote:
On Sunday, 15 March 2015 11:47:06 UTC-3, Justan Olphart wrote: On 3/15/2015 9:21 AM, John H. wrote: Hows that motorhome working out for you? Got any trips planned up this way? Great. The closest I will be to you in the foreseeable future is Kentucky? If you have the wanderlust we might be able to hookup somewhere. As you know, I don't discuss my plans in forums. :-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan "Hookup"??? Please...this is a family newsgroup and it's Sunday also. Keep it clean! Trust me. You don't need to watch your backside with me. Now Harry; that's a different story. Watch him like a hawk. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 3/15/2015 12:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/15/2015 10:39 AM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:01:07 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. Firefox is fine. The only real issue with it is Flash Player's security vulnerabilities. Flash player works fine with I.E. Since he said "outlook" I suspect Microsoft just doesn't play well with firefox or the brand of flash you are using. Who said outlook? If it was in one of Harry's links, I generally don't open them. John mentioned using Outlook. I don't know anyone else who uses it. |
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On 3/15/2015 1:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/15/2015 12:44 PM, Justan Olphart wrote: On 3/15/2015 10:39 AM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:01:07 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. Firefox is fine. The only real issue with it is Flash Player's security vulnerabilities. Flash player works fine with I.E. Since he said "outlook" I suspect Microsoft just doesn't play well with firefox or the brand of flash you are using. Who said outlook? If it was in one of Harry's links, I generally don't open them. John mentioned using Outlook. I don't know anyone else who uses it. OK. Me neither. Tbird works fine for me. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:52:50 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:39 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. Shockwave plug in. There are two types. You need both. The Firefox Help website can instruct. Been there and don't that, but not since I've installed Malwarebytes. That may have caught a bad line somewhere. Will try it again. Thanks. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 10:17:35 -0400, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:39 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/15/2015 8:57 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/15/15 8:19 AM, John H. wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 01:19:17 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:55:13 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: http://makeuseof.tradepub.com/free/w_wile155/prgm.cgi FREE book on Windoze 8. Computer to run it, extra. === Just for your obviously lacking information, Windows 8 generally sucks. Windows 7 is the good one. I've been happy with 7, although I still have problems with Firefox. No surprise. I've never been able to figure out why he has problems with Firefox. I've used it exclusively for years on XP, Vista, Win 7 and occasionally on a Win 8 computer. My wife uses it on her iMac as well. Never had any issues or problems with browsing or viewing videos. It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. Don't feel bad, I've not either. If I have Firefox as my default browser and click on a link here or in Outlook or any place which requires Firefox to open, then the video will not play. I'll get a Flash Drive error window. Sometimes that error window will keep popping up until I shut down the program with Task Manager. If I have Firefox opened and click on a link or paste a video URL in the window, everything operates just fine. So, I use Internet Explorer as the default. But if just using the browser, then I'll open and use Firefox. Strange. It may be a setting somewhere, but damn if I can figure it out. It's not worth fretting about. Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." Not much, that's for sure. The workaround works pretty well. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:41:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. === Or possibly an interaction with ad blocking or anti virus software. I use Firefox (with Win 7) most of the time but certain videos will not play unless I switch to Internet Explorer. Does that occur when you click a link only outside Firefox? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:58:07 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/15/2015 9:41 AM, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 09:06:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has to be something in how he has it set up or possibly missing a required Flash driver. === Or possibly an interaction with ad blocking or anti virus software. I use Firefox (with Win 7) most of the time but certain videos will not play unless I switch to Internet Explorer. Could be, I suppose. I have "Ad-Block" running and I use AVG for anti-virus. Once in a while a site with a video will detect that Ad-Block is enabled and running and will prevent the video from playing. If I really want to see it I can do a one time "allow" in the Ad-Block setting, put up with the advertisement and then see the video. I think it would do the same in Internet Explorer as well (if you are using Ad-Block). It only happens once in a great while though. Most of the time I can view any of the videos (minus the ads) with no problem. Does Ad-Block prevent the ads that begin with many of the YouTube videos? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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