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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:15:02 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:14:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:28 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are snapcaps in the chambers. I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you. N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe not. Too heavy for what? Concealed carry? Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a 686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3" barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still, it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold. How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day. My money is on ZERO... I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend." I suppose he was right. There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report back here. Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to you heavy hikers! (You're sounding almost like Luddite!) I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike: "The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star rating for solitude." Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way to show off to the families and kids, would it? We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space. That is not our kind of hike anyway. We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else. We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm I still didn't think I needed a gun Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau. http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg === We took a helicopter ride from Juneau to a spot on the top of the Mendenhall, up in the valley above that lake. We were able to hike around on the glacier for an hour or so. It was an interesting experience and a great view. The irisidescent blue color that old ice develops in the crevices is really spectacular. We didn't have time for the helicopter jaunt. The Disney ship had changed the departure port from Vancouver, Canada, to Seattle, WA. This made boarding and such much easier for us as I have a brother living there. But, the extra sailing time was subtracted from some of the stops. I won't ever do that cruise again, but if I did, I'd want to go out of Vancouver. === It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. |
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:15:02 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:14:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:28 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are snapcaps in the chambers. I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you. N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe not. Too heavy for what? Concealed carry? Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a 686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3" barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still, it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold. How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day. My money is on ZERO... I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend." I suppose he was right. There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report back here. Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to you heavy hikers! (You're sounding almost like Luddite!) I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike: "The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star rating for solitude." Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way to show off to the families and kids, would it? We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space. That is not our kind of hike anyway. We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else. We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm I still didn't think I needed a gun Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau. http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg === We took a helicopter ride from Juneau to a spot on the top of the Mendenhall, up in the valley above that lake. We were able to hike around on the glacier for an hour or so. It was an interesting experience and a great view. The irisidescent blue color that old ice develops in the crevices is really spectacular. We didn't have time for the helicopter jaunt. The Disney ship had changed the departure port from Vancouver, Canada, to Seattle, WA. This made boarding and such much easier for us as I have a brother living there. But, the extra sailing time was subtracted from some of the stops. I won't ever do that cruise again, but if I did, I'd want to go out of Vancouver. === It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. That's what I'd do next time. Did you set that up with a travel agency, cruise line, or do it yourself? -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:59:22 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:15:02 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:14:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:28 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are snapcaps in the chambers. I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you. N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe not. Too heavy for what? Concealed carry? Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a 686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3" barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still, it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold. How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day. My money is on ZERO... I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend." I suppose he was right. There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report back here. Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to you heavy hikers! (You're sounding almost like Luddite!) I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike: "The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star rating for solitude." Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way to show off to the families and kids, would it? We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space. That is not our kind of hike anyway. We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else. We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm I still didn't think I needed a gun Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau. http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg === We took a helicopter ride from Juneau to a spot on the top of the Mendenhall, up in the valley above that lake. We were able to hike around on the glacier for an hour or so. It was an interesting experience and a great view. The irisidescent blue color that old ice develops in the crevices is really spectacular. We didn't have time for the helicopter jaunt. The Disney ship had changed the departure port from Vancouver, Canada, to Seattle, WA. This made boarding and such much easier for us as I have a brother living there. But, the extra sailing time was subtracted from some of the stops. I won't ever do that cruise again, but if I did, I'd want to go out of Vancouver. === It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. That's what I'd do next time. Did you set that up with a travel agency, cruise line, or do it yourself? === If I recall correctly Princess Cruises did all the heavy lifting. They were very well organized and all of our excursions and connections came off without a hitch. https://book.princess.com/html/global/destinations/alaska/ |
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 23:50:08 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:59:22 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:15:02 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:14:52 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:22:28 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 13:31:56 -0400, wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 11:32:04 -0400, John H. wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:32:28 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/8/15 8:36 AM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 22:28:05 -0500, Someone wrote: John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:44:45 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:41 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 16:27:17 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 3/7/15 4:04 PM, John H. wrote: On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 15:28:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: http://tinyurl.com/nb8dgjs Nah. It's my new S&W 686 in .357 MAG with a 4" barrel. Those are snapcaps in the chambers. I'll have to stick with the N frame, thank you. N frame .357s are nice, but too heavy. Now, for a larger caliber, maybe not. Too heavy for what? Concealed carry? Open carry out in the woods in a holster. About 10 ounces heavier than a 686, which is also fairly heavy. I would have gone for a 686 with a 3" barrel, but the one that came up I was offered has the 4" barrel. Still, it is lighter than the Ruger GP100 I had and sold. How many miles do you walk in the woods with a pistol in a holster? I can't imagine ten ounces making a difference unless you're putting in about 40 miles a day. My money is on ZERO... I bought small luggage carrier to put on our bicycles. When I mentioned same to my bicyclist brother, he commented that they added too much weight. I told him it weighed only a little over a pound. His reply, "That's a lot of weight when you're carrying it from here (Seattle) to Portland in a weekend." I suppose he was right. There are some interesting trails we hike in the Shenandoah/Skyline area. The ones we like are not like walking around a golf course pulling a bag of clubs in a cart. Every ounce of weight you carry on your belt or in your pack matters sometimes. We usually do Old Rag Mountain twice a season, starting before dawn. Perhaps you should try it and report back here. Yup, you're right. Pushing a golf cart five or six miles on a relatively (compared to the Shenandoah Mountains) flat golf course would not be considered 'real' walking to you heavy hikers! (You're sounding almost like Luddite!) I can see why you'd want to carry a .357 revolver on the Old Rag Mountain hike: "The Old Rag Mountain hike in the Shenandoah National Park is one of the most popular hikes in the mid-Atlantic region. With many spectacular panoramic views, and one of the most challenging rock scrambles in the park, this circuit hike is a favorite of many hikers. But be prepared for the crowds. This is the only hike we give a star rating for solitude." Gotta be prepared to defend against all those people, eh? This wouldn't just be a way to show off to the families and kids, would it? We drove by it and couldn't find a parking space. That is not our kind of hike anyway. We like a 5-8 mile walk where we don't see anyone else. We had to get to this trail on a boat and we were alone. http://gfretwell.com/ftp/alaska/Glacier%20lake.jpg http://dnr.alaska.gov/parks/units/kbay/kbayl.htm I still didn't think I needed a gun Looked a lot like Mendenhall Glacier by Juneau. http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/med...ll-glacier.jpg === We took a helicopter ride from Juneau to a spot on the top of the Mendenhall, up in the valley above that lake. We were able to hike around on the glacier for an hour or so. It was an interesting experience and a great view. The irisidescent blue color that old ice develops in the crevices is really spectacular. We didn't have time for the helicopter jaunt. The Disney ship had changed the departure port from Vancouver, Canada, to Seattle, WA. This made boarding and such much easier for us as I have a brother living there. But, the extra sailing time was subtracted from some of the stops. I won't ever do that cruise again, but if I did, I'd want to go out of Vancouver. === It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. That's what I'd do next time. Did you set that up with a travel agency, cruise line, or do it yourself? === If I recall correctly Princess Cruises did all the heavy lifting. They were very well organized and all of our excursions and connections came off without a hitch. https://book.princess.com/html/global/destinations/alaska/ Thanks. Do you remember which ship? I see some things are 'exceptions' on some of their ships. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 11:54:21 -0400, John H.
wrote: It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. That's what I'd do next time. Did you set that up with a travel agency, cruise line, or do it yourself? === If I recall correctly Princess Cruises did all the heavy lifting. They were very well organized and all of our excursions and connections came off without a hitch. https://book.princess.com/html/global/destinations/alaska/ Thanks. Do you remember which ship? I see some things are 'exceptions' on some of their ships. -- === Don't remember but I might have it someplace. I'll let you know if I find it. |
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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. We flew into Fairbanks, rented a van and drove around for 3 weeks, flying out of Anchorage. After driving to Alaska. I would fly in and rent a 4x4 camper. As there were places where lodging was very scarce. That way you have sleeping accommodations when no hotel or motel is available. Do not have to sleep in the camper if near a nice hotel. |
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:22:56 -0500, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. We flew into Fairbanks, rented a van and drove around for 3 weeks, flying out of Anchorage. After driving to Alaska. I would fly in and rent a 4x4 camper. As there were places where lodging was very scarce. That way you have sleeping accommodations when no hotel or motel is available. Do not have to sleep in the camper if near a nice hotel. Or drag a 5th wheeler up there and hang out for a while. Some friends here did that. Spent about ten weeks traveling and seeing sights across the US, into Canada, and on into Alaska. It's one of those things we think about occasionally. -- Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner *behavior* causes problems. |
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John H. wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:22:56 -0500, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. We flew into Fairbanks, rented a van and drove around for 3 weeks, flying out of Anchorage. After driving to Alaska. I would fly in and rent a 4x4 camper. As there were places where lodging was very scarce. That way you have sleeping accommodations when no hotel or motel is available. Do not have to sleep in the camper if near a nice hotel. Or drag a 5th wheeler up there and hang out for a while. Some friends here did that. Spent about ten weeks traveling and seeing sights across the US, into Canada, and on into Alaska. It's one of those things we think about occasionally. Lot of the Alcan and Cassier are boring. Bypass the crud and rent in Alaska. |
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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 16:22:56 -0500, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 18:29:18 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: It was recommended to us that we do the reverse route where you fly into Fairbanks, work your way south on the bus and train tour, and then board the cruise ship in Whittier for the ride south to Vancouver. It worked out very well and the weather was great even though there was still snow on the ground in Fairbanks. We flew into Fairbanks, rented a van and drove around for 3 weeks, flying out of Anchorage. After driving to Alaska. I would fly in and rent a 4x4 camper. As there were places where lodging was very scarce. That way you have sleeping accommodations when no hotel or motel is available. Do not have to sleep in the camper if near a nice hotel. We didn't find that many "nice" (as in ritzy) hotels but they were better than a camper. They were pretty much mom and pop operations and "nice" in the other way. We stayed at one chain that really surprised us. It was the Best Western in Homer. It had "lower 48" pricing, great food and it was pretty much like any other BW. Since we were driving to AK we ran through a lot of places with no availability of lodging. Talked to a couple different couples on the trip who were in cars. Said was hard to get a room at times. None there, or full. We stayed in our truck camper most of the time, but hotel in Telketna. And Roseburg, OR on way home. Being you like back country, even better for those hikes. And some of the campers are really nice. |
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