"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/5/2015 12:51 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:48:41 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

$5 a toll on diesel Kona. $2.99 regular Costco.

we are seeing $2.29-$2.49 right around here. It can swing 20-30 cents
within a few miles so you have to look around.
There are a few places that are really gouging tho.



I give up. What does "$5 a toll" mean?

Means autocorrect gal.

On 3/5/2015 4:11 AM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/5/2015 12:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:48:41 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

$5 a toll on diesel Kona. $2.99 regular Costco.

===

Diesel should get a double boost - first as crude inventories continue
to pile up, and second as winter heating oil demand starts to drop
off.


Do you buy from "marine" fuel stations?
In Scituate MA, the guys on the dock who did a lot of fishing used to
arrange for a fuel truck to show up at about 4am before the marina
operator (who also sold fuel) arrived. They were getting diesel for
about a buck less per gallon than the marina price.

I could never figure out why diesel went up in price to cost more than
gasoline. It used to be significantly less. It is less refined than
gasoline so it would stand to reason that it's less expensive to process.
I remember buying it for as little as 99 cents/gal in the South
Carolina/Georgia areas .. and that was at marine fuel stops.

Refinery processes changed. Used to be distillation. Now catalytic
cracking. In distillation the diesel was a bigger percentage product of
the barrel of oil. Less gas, more diesel. Now they get more gasoline than
diesel from a barrel.



Interesting. Never knew that. Thanks.

On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 03:49:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/5/2015 12:05 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:48:41 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

$5 a toll on diesel Kona. $2.99 regular Costco.

===

Diesel should get a double boost - first as crude inventories continue
to pile up, and second as winter heating oil demand starts to drop
off.


Do you buy from "marine" fuel stations?
In Scituate MA, the guys on the dock who did a lot of fishing used to
arrange for a fuel truck to show up at about 4am before the marina
operator (who also sold fuel) arrived. They were getting diesel for
about a buck less per gallon than the marina price.

I could never figure out why diesel went up in price to cost more than
gasoline. It used to be significantly less. It is less refined than
gasoline so it would stand to reason that it's less expensive to
process. I remember buying it for as little as 99 cents/gal in the
South Carolina/Georgia areas .. and that was at marine fuel stops.


===

Locally we have two choices for reasonably priced diesel. The first
is at a commercial fishing dock in Ft Myers Beach which sells mostly
to the local shrimp boat fleet. Unfortunately they are a little out
of the way for us and have limited hours during the week. On weekends
they are not open at all. Second choice is a delivery service that
comes to the house with a truck. They are usually within a few cents
of the shrimp dock and are flexible about scheduling deliveries.
Virtually all fuel in this area is first delivered by truck from Tampa
which is about 100 miles to the north. That adds around 5 to 10 cents
a gallon.

The mid-Atlantic states still have the best prices on the east coast.
I think it's mostly because of lower state taxes. Right now we are
still running on fuel we bought in North Carolina back in late
September.

Refinery costs for diesel have gone up, at least in part because of
environmental requirements for low sulphur content. Without road
taxes the price of diesel should be only slightly higher than #2 home
heating oil since they are almost identical. The government stats
show big regional differences for reasons that are not clear to me:

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/PET_PRI_WFR_A_EPD2F_PRS_DPGAL_W.htm

On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:54:56 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

Hope you're right. Around here diesel has started its climb. It never got below $2.79
in the first place.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On Thu, 05 Mar 2015 00:51:15 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 22:48:41 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

$5 a toll on diesel Kona. $2.99 regular Costco.

we are seeing $2.29-$2.49 right around here. It can swing 20-30 cents
within a few miles so you have to look around.
There are a few places that are really gouging tho.

We have a Liberty getting $2.89, and not a half mile down Franconia is a BP wanting
$3.59. I've no idea how the BP sells any.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On Thursday, 5 March 2015 08:20:25 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:54:56 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

Hope you're right. Around here diesel has started its climb. It never got below $2.79
in the first place.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

What are you crying about?
Here gas is $1.08 per liter and diesel around $1.30. Tomorrow that will most likely change as our sister province next door just raised their prices today.
At one time they used to claim our prices were based on some imaginary New York price. Saw in the news a week or so ago that now it's a more expensive European 'Bent' price our government regulators use.
I think the government regulators and oil companies go around to find the most expensive crude in the world to base their calculations on.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 05:08:45 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Thursday, 5 March 2015 08:20:25 UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 04 Mar 2015 17:54:56 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:


The storage problem is beginning to hit US oil producers as tank farms
are close to being full. Once crude oil is pumped out of the ground
it has to go somewhere. If there is no additional room to store
domestic oil it will drive prices downward in the commodity auction
pool, possibly by a large amount. The other good news is that
imported oil will continue to be squeezed out of the US market and put
additional pressure on the Russians and Venezuela.

I need to fuel up our trawler one of these days with 900 gallons of
diesel before we take off for a spring cruise. I've been delaying in
the expectation of lower prices. Stay tuned.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/outside-the-boardroom/article/Traders-can-t-ignore-oil-storage-limits-much-6114400.php

Hope you're right. Around here diesel has started its climb. It never got below $2.79
in the first place.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

What are you crying about?
Here gas is $1.08 per liter and diesel around $1.30. Tomorrow that will most likely change as our sister province next door just raised their prices today.
At one time they used to claim our prices were based on some imaginary New York price. Saw in the news a week or so ago that now it's a more expensive European 'Bent' price our government regulators use.
I think the government regulators and oil companies go around to find the most expensive crude in the world to base their calculations on.

So why are you crying?
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 05:08:45 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Here gas is $1.08 per liter and diesel around $1.30. Tomorrow that will most likely change as our sister province next door just raised their prices today.
At one time they used to claim our prices were based on some imaginary New York price. Saw in the news a week or so ago that now it's a more expensive European 'Bent' price our government regulators use.
I think the government regulators and oil companies go around to find the most expensive crude in the world to base their calculations on.

===

Gas and diesel in Europe were both over $2/liter the last time I was
there.

On Thursday, March 5, 2015 at 5:22:13 AM UTC-8, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 05:08:45 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

Here gas is $1.08 per liter and diesel around $1.30. Tomorrow that will most likely change as our sister province next door just raised their prices today.
At one time they used to claim our prices were based on some imaginary New York price. Saw in the news a week or so ago that now it's a more expensive European 'Bent' price our government regulators use.
I think the government regulators and oil companies go around to find the most expensive crude in the world to base their calculations on.

===

Gas and diesel in Europe were both over $2/liter the last time I was
there.

And have been for years. As you know Wayne, the highly socialist governments of Europe love their high taxes. Their fuel has a high tax. In many places bicycle sales are at an all time high, and causing traffic congestion.

On Thu, 5 Mar 2015 05:47:17 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote:

Gas and diesel in Europe were both over $2/liter the last time I was
there.

And have been for years. As you know Wayne, the highly socialist governments of Europe love their high taxes. Their fuel has a high tax. In many places bicycle sales are at an all time high, and causing traffic congestion.

===

That's all true of course. In fairness however the western European
countries have almost no petro resources of their own except for
Norway which has some offshore production. Virtually all of it has to
be imported which is a huge balance of payments issue for their
economies. They have used high taxes as a means to limit fuel use as
well as to raise revenue. Bicycles are actually pretty good
transportation in densely populated cities, at least in good weather.