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On Sat, 7 Mar 2015 17:03:24 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

Johnny sez..

" Why are they so much cheaper? "

Maybe because y'all are so cheap?


You're the one whining about prices, yet you call us cheap?

Maybe that 'free health insurance' costs a bit more than you think, eh? What accounts
for the big difference in prices? Taxes, perhaps?
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Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

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On 3/8/15 10:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?


Perfect...you can fly your confederate battle flag off the front porch
and tell everyone you're not a racist!

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On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 10:50:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

Charleston is a great city. Lots of charm and history, great food, lots of boating opportunities. Cost of living is not cheap in the city, but there are plenty of outlying areas that are nice and close enough to take advantage of the city easily.

It's on the coast (of course), so the heat and humidity are a factor, but it's not that bad except for part of July and August. In return you're blessed with some really nice weather the rest of the time and *very* mild winters.

As Luddite said, you'll find the people are really nice and friendly. And, we have a female Governor of East Indian decent that has her head screwed on straight. :)

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:59:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 10:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?


Perfect...you can fly your confederate battle flag off the front porch
and tell everyone you're not a racist!

Actually, I got very ****ed off when I saw the big Confederate flag flying alongside
I-95 last time I came back from Richmond.

Do a lot of folks in Charleston fly Confederate flags from their porches? I've not
been there, but I assume you have.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 11:43:12 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:59:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 10:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?


Perfect...you can fly your confederate battle flag off the front porch
and tell everyone you're not a racist!

Actually, I got very ****ed off when I saw the big Confederate flag flying alongside
I-95 last time I came back from Richmond.

Do a lot of folks in Charleston fly Confederate flags from their porches? I've not
been there, but I assume you have.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

That wasn't addressed to me, but to answer your question, no. I've been to Charleston many times, and don't recall ever seeing a Confederate flag. Its history is in the *past*. Some folks choose to never get over it, while the majority of others have moved on.

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On 3/8/15 11:43 AM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:59:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 10:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?


Perfect...you can fly your confederate battle flag off the front porch
and tell everyone you're not a racist!

Actually, I got very ****ed off when I saw the big Confederate flag flying alongside
I-95 last time I came back from Richmond.

Do a lot of folks in Charleston fly Confederate flags from their porches? I've not
been there, but I assume you have.


I've been to Charleston two or three times and no, I've not seen that
traitorous flag flying from porches there. Charleston is a lovely city,
with lots of interesting neighborhoods to walk around. If memory serves,
"Crazy Larry" of boating newsgroup fame lives or used to live there.

I actually like Savannah better, along with nearby Hilton Head. My wife
has a doctoral program colleague who set up a practice some years ago in
Hilton Head and Savannah - two offices - and has been trying to get her
to join the practice as a partner, but my wife really likes her job up
here. Maybe when she retires and my ashes are scattered on the nude
beach at Malibu. :)

--
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On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 08:48:56 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 11:43:12 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 10:59:58 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 3/8/15 10:50 AM, John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?


Perfect...you can fly your confederate battle flag off the front porch
and tell everyone you're not a racist!

Actually, I got very ****ed off when I saw the big Confederate flag flying alongside
I-95 last time I came back from Richmond.

Do a lot of folks in Charleston fly Confederate flags from their porches? I've not
been there, but I assume you have.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

That wasn't addressed to me, but to answer your question, no. I've been to Charleston many times, and don't recall ever seeing a Confederate flag. Its history is in the *past*. Some folks choose to never get over it, while the majority of others have moved on.

No, Harry was the one talking of Confederate flags on porches down there.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

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On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On 3/8/2015 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.



Is that appraised tax value of just the house or house and property?

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:58:34 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/8/2015 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.



Is that appraised tax value of just the house or house and property?

For me, it's total. (I'm not very wealthy!)
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:14:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.

===

Some, perhaps all, counties in SC have a personal property tax on
things like boats and cars. We got into a monumental legal hassel one
year when Charleston County thought we owed property tax on our boat.
They were threatening to have USCG seize the boat and auction it off
until I got my son the lawyer involved. The whole claim was bogus of
course and was apparently triggered by a two day stay at the
Charleston City Marina. We like Charleston but I will never again
take the boat into a marina there.

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On 3/8/2015 3:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:14:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.

===

Some, perhaps all, counties in SC have a personal property tax on
things like boats and cars. We got into a monumental legal hassel one
year when Charleston County thought we owed property tax on our boat.
They were threatening to have USCG seize the boat and auction it off
until I got my son the lawyer involved. The whole claim was bogus of
course and was apparently triggered by a two day stay at the
Charleston City Marina. We like Charleston but I will never again
take the boat into a marina there.



I've heard of similar tax issues in Florida. Something about staying in
Florida waters or marinas for more than a certain time period. I think
(but am not sure) that it may have been 60 or 90 days. I recall reading
that taking a trip to another state to fuel up and keep the receipt as
proof that you were not continuously in Florida for the given time
period was one way of avoiding the tax.

That all said, when I took the Navigator to Florida it was there for
over 2 years. It was USCG documented but I think I was still supposed
to register or report it as being berthed in Florida. I didn't (because
I didn't know at the time) and I never heard any complaints.

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John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many
tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state
income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be
nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

California actually is decent on property taxes. But that is because we
passed the famous Prop. 13 about 1978. The taxes were based on the price
you paid for the house and could go up 2% a year. Taxes are 1% of the
present prop. 13 value plus any local tax overrides. Voted by the
taxpayers. Comes out to about 1.2%. Of course in my area, I do not think
there are any houses that sell for as little as $600k. My taxes are about
$2200 a year. As I bought my home in 1979 for $138.5k. But there are a
lot of people in my area that are paying $20k a year in taxes or more.

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On 3/8/2015 4:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many
tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state
income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be
nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

California actually is decent on property taxes. But that is because we
passed the famous Prop. 13 about 1978. The taxes were based on the price
you paid for the house and could go up 2% a year. Taxes are 1% of the
present prop. 13 value plus any local tax overrides. Voted by the
taxpayers. Comes out to about 1.2%. Of course in my area, I do not think
there are any houses that sell for as little as $600k. My taxes are about
$2200 a year. As I bought my home in 1979 for $138.5k. But there are a
lot of people in my area that are paying $20k a year in taxes or more.


$22.6K for property taxes for us in MA. It actually went down a little
two years ago because I discovered an error in the town's tax
assessment. They were charging us the full tax rate on all of the land
but about 2 acres are wetlands as delineated by the town conservation
committee.

The savings was brief however. Went back up again last year because the
town approved, built and opened a new high school the likes of which
every college in the country would die for as their campus.

http://www.duxbury.k12.ma.us/Domain/8

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:32:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$22.6K for property taxes for us in MA.

===

We were paying almost that much in Westchester County, NY for a *lot*
less than what you have. If it weren't for the outrageous taxes we
might still be there.

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On 3/8/2015 5:10 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:32:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

$22.6K for property taxes for us in MA.

===

We were paying almost that much in Westchester County, NY for a *lot*
less than what you have. If it weren't for the outrageous taxes we
might still be there.


Yeah, the taxes and the climate are the driving reasons for us to get
out of Dodge. We don't need this size house any longer and the rest of
the family that kept Mrs.E. here are slowly diminishing in numbers or
moving somewhere else. We took the house off the market for the heavy
winter months but will put it back on in late April or early May. At
least one of the interested parties are aware of this and are using the
time to explore financing options.

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 15:38:21 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:14:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.

===

Some, perhaps all, counties in SC have a personal property tax on
things like boats and cars. We got into a monumental legal hassel one
year when Charleston County thought we owed property tax on our boat.
They were threatening to have USCG seize the boat and auction it off
until I got my son the lawyer involved. The whole claim was bogus of
course and was apparently triggered by a two day stay at the
Charleston City Marina. We like Charleston but I will never again
take the boat into a marina there.

I traded in the Proline in Essex County at a Key West dealer. Almost a year later, I
tried to get tags for my truck. The computer wouldn't let me. I called the DMV folks
who told me that Essex County had put a stop on DMV transactions because I hadn't
paid the property tax on my boat. It took several phone calls and letters to get my
name disassociated from that damn boat.

I know what you mean.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:02:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/8/2015 3:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:14:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.

===

Some, perhaps all, counties in SC have a personal property tax on
things like boats and cars. We got into a monumental legal hassel one
year when Charleston County thought we owed property tax on our boat.
They were threatening to have USCG seize the boat and auction it off
until I got my son the lawyer involved. The whole claim was bogus of
course and was apparently triggered by a two day stay at the
Charleston City Marina. We like Charleston but I will never again
take the boat into a marina there.



I've heard of similar tax issues in Florida. Something about staying in
Florida waters or marinas for more than a certain time period. I think
(but am not sure) that it may have been 60 or 90 days. I recall reading
that taking a trip to another state to fuel up and keep the receipt as
proof that you were not continuously in Florida for the given time
period was one way of avoiding the tax.

That all said, when I took the Navigator to Florida it was there for
over 2 years. It was USCG documented but I think I was still supposed
to register or report it as being berthed in Florida. I didn't (because
I didn't know at the time) and I never heard any complaints.

You may have been very lucky. Here the marinas are required to notify the county
government of boats being kept there. Luckily, the marinas on military installations
aren't required to meet that requirement.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:32:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/8/2015 4:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many
tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state
income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be
nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

California actually is decent on property taxes. But that is because we
passed the famous Prop. 13 about 1978. The taxes were based on the price
you paid for the house and could go up 2% a year. Taxes are 1% of the
present prop. 13 value plus any local tax overrides. Voted by the
taxpayers. Comes out to about 1.2%. Of course in my area, I do not think
there are any houses that sell for as little as $600k. My taxes are about
$2200 a year. As I bought my home in 1979 for $138.5k. But there are a
lot of people in my area that are paying $20k a year in taxes or more.


$22.6K for property taxes for us in MA. It actually went down a little
two years ago because I discovered an error in the town's tax
assessment. They were charging us the full tax rate on all of the land
but about 2 acres are wetlands as delineated by the town conservation
committee.

The savings was brief however. Went back up again last year because the
town approved, built and opened a new high school the likes of which
every college in the country would die for as their campus.

http://www.duxbury.k12.ma.us/Domain/8



Well, you've probably got three times the number of rooms we've got and a hell of a
lot bigger chunk of land.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hillary's battle cry
 

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:02:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/8/2015 3:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:14:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many
tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just
don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state
income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston
might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.

===

Some, perhaps all, counties in SC have a personal property tax on
things like boats and cars. We got into a monumental legal hassel one
year when Charleston County thought we owed property tax on our boat.
They were threatening to have USCG seize the boat and auction it off
until I got my son the lawyer involved. The whole claim was bogus of
course and was apparently triggered by a two day stay at the
Charleston City Marina. We like Charleston but I will never again
take the boat into a marina there.



I've heard of similar tax issues in Florida. Something about staying in
Florida waters or marinas for more than a certain time period. I think
(but am not sure) that it may have been 60 or 90 days. I recall reading
that taking a trip to another state to fuel up and keep the receipt as
proof that you were not continuously in Florida for the given time
period was one way of avoiding the tax.

That all said, when I took the Navigator to Florida it was there for
over 2 years. It was USCG documented but I think I was still supposed
to register or report it as being berthed in Florida. I didn't (because
I didn't know at the time) and I never heard any complaints.

You may have been very lucky. Here the marinas are required to notify the county
government of boats being kept there. Luckily, the marinas on military installations
aren't required to meet that requirement.

California figures the tax is due in the county where the boat is no
January 1.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 19:36:39 -0500, Califbill wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 16:02:16 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 3/8/2015 3:38 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 14:14:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 10:57:40 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many
tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just
don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state
income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston
might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.

And that's SC, right? So, I'd lose some in income tax, but could make it up in
property tax. That's not so bad. NC is still about $7500 better, depending on
property tax. And I've heard the property tax is pretty small there.

===

Some, perhaps all, counties in SC have a personal property tax on
things like boats and cars. We got into a monumental legal hassel one
year when Charleston County thought we owed property tax on our boat.
They were threatening to have USCG seize the boat and auction it off
until I got my son the lawyer involved. The whole claim was bogus of
course and was apparently triggered by a two day stay at the
Charleston City Marina. We like Charleston but I will never again
take the boat into a marina there.



I've heard of similar tax issues in Florida. Something about staying in
Florida waters or marinas for more than a certain time period. I think
(but am not sure) that it may have been 60 or 90 days. I recall reading
that taking a trip to another state to fuel up and keep the receipt as
proof that you were not continuously in Florida for the given time
period was one way of avoiding the tax.

That all said, when I took the Navigator to Florida it was there for
over 2 years. It was USCG documented but I think I was still supposed
to register or report it as being berthed in Florida. I didn't (because
I didn't know at the time) and I never heard any complaints.

You may have been very lucky. Here the marinas are required to notify the county
government of boats being kept there. Luckily, the marinas on military installations
aren't required to meet that requirement.

California figures the tax is due in the county where the boat is no
January 1.

Ditto.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 2:58:35 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/8/2015 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 12:44:10 PM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.

Ouch. ~500K, $2200 here.



Is that appraised tax value of just the house or house and property?

Just the house and land.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On 3/8/2015 12:44 PM, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 08 Mar 2015 12:24:00 -0400, wrote:

On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 07:50:48 -0700 (PDT), John H
wrote:

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:


Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)

Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?

If you went to Florida there would be no income tax at all and I am
not sure how property taxes compare. On a $200k (appraised value)
home, the tax is $1687 with the homestead adjustment.. These
appraisals are intentionally low so they do not have to adjust therm
when we have a housing slump like they did a few years ago.

Here, on a $615K (appraised value) home, the taxes are $7285.


Yeah, here in CT I pay 6000/year on a 200 thousand dollar house...

Hillary's battle cry
 

John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)
Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?
Check insurance rates. Homeowners and auto, too.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 1:47:47 PM UTC-5, True North wrote:

Can you imagine what she'd say about you and your SugarDaddy in Southern Ontario if she had the misfortune to meet you.

YOU...are the only one in this entire group that has a " Sugar Daddy ", and that is harry the slug krause.

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On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 3:05:09 PM UTC-5, John H. wrote:

Maybe Don can't get NBC, so Harry is giving him the liberal media perspective.


dicklicker is so stupid...he wouldn't know just WHAT NBC is !

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:20:13 AM UTC-4, wrote:

Heh. Myrtle Beach is about to start their yearly Can-Am Days festival. The running joke down there is "What's the difference between a Canadian and a canoe? The canoe tips!"

Funny...we have that same joke up here, only using Americans !

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On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:35:17 -0400, Someone wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)
Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?
Check insurance rates. Homeowners and auto, too.

Now it's Georgia, Savannah maybe. That's where one daughter and family are moving.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:35:17 -0400, Someone wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)
Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?
Check insurance rates. Homeowners and auto, too.

Now it's Georgia, Savannah maybe. That's where one daughter and family are moving.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

I know two people that were mugged in Savannah. And there's a pretty famous news story about two couples that were attacked on the street by a group of thugs in the tourist area for no reason. Unfortunately, it's sort of a crime-ridden place.

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- hide quoted text -


" I know two people that were mugged in Savannah. *And there's a pretty famous news story about two couples that were attacked on the street by a group of thugs in the tourist area for no reason. *Unfortunately, it's sort of a crime-ridden place."



Worry not...I'm sure the Sheriff John Brown..er Herring...will clean that up soon enough.

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:21:44 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


- hide quoted text -


" I know two people that were mugged in Savannah. *And there's a pretty famous news story about two couples that were attacked on the street by a group of thugs in the tourist area for no reason. *Unfortunately, it's sort of a crime-ridden place."



Worry not...I'm sure the Sheriff John Brown..er Herring...will clean that up soon enough.

More 'agitating and instigating' Don? Note that those are your words.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:00:33 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 7:55:31 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Mon, 09 Mar 2015 20:35:17 -0400, Someone wrote:

John H wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 9:30:26 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Sunday, March 8, 2015 at 8:46:27 AM UTC-4, John H. wrote:
On Sun, 8 Mar 2015 05:20:12 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Besides, few South Carolinians go to Myrtle Beach. Way too many tourists, and there are better beaches in SC to visit. We just don't advertise them. :)
Speaking of SC, I just did a quickie calculation of what my state income tax would be down there. It's right at $3000 more than I pay here!

I'll have to look at property taxes. My wife thinks Charleston might be nice. What do you think? Is the humidity atrocious?
Check insurance rates. Homeowners and auto, too.

Now it's Georgia, Savannah maybe. That's where one daughter and family are moving.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

I know two people that were mugged in Savannah. And there's a pretty famous news story about two couples that were attacked on the street by a group of thugs in the tourist area for no reason. Unfortunately, it's sort of a crime-ridden place.

I had heard that some areas were not the best for romantic evening walks. (Unless one
has an AR like Harry's.)
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.

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On 3/10/15 9:21 AM, True North wrote:

- hide quoted text -


" I know two people that were mugged in Savannah. And there's a pretty famous news story about two couples that were attacked on the street by a group of thugs in the tourist area for no reason. Unfortunately, it's sort of a crime-ridden place."



Worry not...I'm sure the Sheriff John Brown..er Herring...will clean that up soon enough.



Sheriff Johnny, aka Col. Klink, will see a black couple walking towards
him on the sidewalk and pee his pants.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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10:26 AMJohn H.
- show quoted text -
"More 'agitating and instigating' Don? Note that those are your words."


Don't be such a drama queen Johnny, I was just showing confidence in your abilities.

Hillary's battle cry
 

On Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:50:17 -0700 (PDT), True North wrote:


10:26 AMJohn H.
- show quoted text -
"More 'agitating and instigating' Don? Note that those are your words."


Don't be such a drama queen Johnny, I was just showing confidence in your abilities.

Your words, not mine.
--

Guns don't cause problems. Gun owner
*behavior* causes problems.