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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:44:10 -0500, wrote:

On 28 Feb 2015 16:51:06 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:20:16 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 10:16:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:54:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...vote for Republican candidates:

A majority of Republicans nationally support establishing
Christianity as the national religion, according to a new Public Policy
Polling survey released Tuesday.

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of
Republicans “support establishing Christianity as the national religion”
while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not sure.

The irony is rich. Many Republican activists like to describe themselves
as “Constitutional Conservatives,” but under the Constitution – at least
in this country – the very idea of a national religion is antithetical
to the American tradition. Indeed, the opening words of the Bill of
Rights explicitly say, “Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion.”

There’s nothing “conservative” about a theocratic agenda in which one
faith tradition is endorsed by the government above all other belief
systems.

But this week, it wasn’t just the poll results that highlighted the
problem. A county Republican Party in Idaho pushed a resolution that
intended to identify Idaho as a “formally and specifically declared a
Christian state.” One local activist told reporters, “We’re a Christian
community in a Christian state and the Republican Party is a Christian
party.”

The resolution was ultimately defeated by the state party, but the fact
that it was considered, and enjoyed a fair amount of support, was
unsettling for supporters of church-state separation.

Read more at:

http://tinyurl.com/k4l7fh2

Strange as it might seem to you, I agree this was a dumb idea


It's not just a dumb idea for Idaho. Establishing christianity as the
national religion is an idea the majority of GOPers favor, and it isn't
the only bad exclusionary idea Republicans want to push onto everyone.

I agree we should not have a national religion but if the citizens of
Idaho want one, it is their business.
The 1st amendment says "congress" not the local government.
I don't see you in Idaho anyway. What difference does it make to you?



Creep. Not you. The legislation. If it passes in Idaho, it's going to be
on the agenda in Texas, South Carolina, Kansas, et cetera.

Republican exclusionism. It sucks.

Those are all places you say you will never go to anyway. What's it to
you?
I am sure they feel the same way about how Maryland infringes on your
2d amendment rights.
That is why we are 50 states and not one monoculture.

Maryland is infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights? How?

Limiting what you can buy and the hoops you have to jump through to
buy what you can.

How is some legislator in Idaho making a symbolic gesture that
reflects the beliefs of his residents, "congress" making a law?

I look at things like this to be about as significant as making the
bald eagle the american bird. They don't make you buy one and keep it
as a pet.

Is it a symbolic gesture if a state adopts sharia law, judaic law,
hindi law?

Are you serious? Have you seen how these lunatics "interpret" the
bible? Once a religion is sanctified as "official" you don't think
the fundies would have a field day in the state house legislature?

Come on, really?

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:46:59 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/28/2015 10:16 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/28/15 9:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 09:54:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

...vote for Republican candidates:

A majority of Republicans nationally support establishing
Christianity as the national religion, according to a new Public Policy
Polling survey released Tuesday.

The poll by the Democratic-leaning firm found that 57 percent of
Republicans “support establishing Christianity as the national religion”
while 30 percent are opposed. Another 13 percent said they were not
sure.

The irony is rich. Many Republican activists like to describe themselves
as “Constitutional Conservatives,” but under the Constitution – at least
in this country – the very idea of a national religion is antithetical
to the American tradition. Indeed, the opening words of the Bill of
Rights explicitly say, “Congress shall make no law respecting an
establishment of religion.”

There’s nothing “conservative” about a theocratic agenda in which one
faith tradition is endorsed by the government above all other belief
systems.

But this week, it wasn’t just the poll results that highlighted the
problem. A county Republican Party in Idaho pushed a resolution that
intended to identify Idaho as a “formally and specifically declared a
Christian state.” One local activist told reporters, “We’re a Christian
community in a Christian state and the Republican Party is a Christian
party.”

The resolution was ultimately defeated by the state party, but the fact
that it was considered, and enjoyed a fair amount of support, was
unsettling for supporters of church-state separation.

Read more at:

http://tinyurl.com/k4l7fh2

Strange as it might seem to you, I agree this was a dumb idea


It's not just a dumb idea for Idaho. Establishing christianity as the
national religion is an idea the majority of GOPers favor, and it isn't
the only bad exclusionary idea Republicans want to push onto everyone.



I wonder how an equal sampling of Democrats would respond to the same
question. The referenced poll doesn't mention that.

From a political perspective it may not be such a dumb idea however. 77
percent of Americans identify themselves as being Christian.

Doesn't mean they want their religion running things in the state
house or in congress.

Separation was for good reason and it should stay, according to this
Democrat.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:17:58 -0800, jps wrote:

From a political perspective it may not be such a dumb idea however. 77
percent of Americans identify themselves as being Christian.

Doesn't mean they want their religion running things in the state
house or in congress.


===

Your dysfunctional friend Harry is convinced of it.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:21:49 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:17:58 -0800, jps wrote:

From a political perspective it may not be such a dumb idea however. 77
percent of Americans identify themselves as being Christian.

Doesn't mean they want their religion running things in the state
house or in congress.


===

Your dysfunctional friend Harry is convinced of it.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Christian Democrats are less
likely to favor ratifying an official state religion than Christian
Republicans.

Liberals tend to be a little more circumspect and less dogmatic. But
I'm sure you're convinced of the opposite.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 12:36:54 -0800, jps wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:21:49 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:17:58 -0800, jps wrote:

From a political perspective it may not be such a dumb idea however. 77
percent of Americans identify themselves as being Christian.

Doesn't mean they want their religion running things in the state
house or in congress.


===

Your dysfunctional friend Harry is convinced of it.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Christian Democrats are less
likely to favor ratifying an official state religion than Christian
Republicans.

Liberals tend to be a little more circumspect and less dogmatic. But
I'm sure you're convinced of the opposite.

===

You're assuming that all democrats are liberal. I think there's
plenty of evidence to the contrary, not that I'm in favor of a state
religion. Republicans and democrats come in all stripes and their
consensus views do not necessarily reflect those of the national party
leadership.

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On 2/28/15 3:36 PM, jps wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:21:49 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 11:17:58 -0800, jps wrote:

From a political perspective it may not be such a dumb idea however. 77
percent of Americans identify themselves as being Christian.

Doesn't mean they want their religion running things in the state
house or in congress.


===

Your dysfunctional friend Harry is convinced of it.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume Christian Democrats are less
likely to favor ratifying an official state religion than Christian
Republicans.

Liberals tend to be a little more circumspect and less dogmatic. But
I'm sure you're convinced of the opposite.



Wayne has devolved into one of the rec.boats "feebs" who get their
jollies by seeing how far up my butt their can stick their pointy
noises. Whatever. I bozo binned him.

The fundie christians who promote this sort of "official state religion"
are not really any different than the fundie S'hia and Sunni muslims who
cannot seem to occupy the same country or state or province without
engaging in shooting wars with each other. The same would happen in
Idaho or any other state that adopted christianity as a state
religion...sooner or later the different christian sects there would
start shooting at each other in order to prove their sect was more
christian than the other guys' sect. There's plenty of historic
precedent for it.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:00:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Wayne has devolved into one of the rec.boats "feebs" who get their
jollies by seeing how far up my butt their can stick their pointy
noises. Whatever. I bozo binned him.

===

And if you believe that, I've got some land in Arizona that you might
be interested in.

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On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:53:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 16:00:08 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Wayne has devolved into one of the rec.boats "feebs" who get their
jollies by seeing how far up my butt their can stick their pointy
noises. Whatever. I bozo binned him.

===

And if you believe that, I've got some land in Arizona that you might
be interested in.

No ****? Whereabouts?
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

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On 2/28/15 4:47 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 13:23:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/28/15 12:44 PM, wrote:

Maryland is infringing on my 2nd Amendment rights? How?

Limiting what you can buy and the hoops you have to jump through to
buy what you can.

How is some legislator in Idaho making a symbolic gesture that
reflects the beliefs of his residents, "congress" making a law?

I look at things like this to be about as significant as making the
bald eagle the american bird. They don't make you buy one and keep it
as a pet.



Maryland's firearm regulations have never limited what firearms *I*
wanted to buy.

That is just you and I bet your wife calls that rationalization. AKA
sour grapes. You managed to fine the one AR platform that slipped
through a loophole in the law and then rationalized that it was what
you wanted all the time. Will you turn it in when someone points out
the error and they close that loophole?
BTW I stumbled into federal legislation that tries to do that the
other day when I was researching the DHS funding vote.


Actually, I asked around and was advised that an HBAR AR would do the
trick and there were side bennies to the HBAR, including greater
accuracy than the pencil or grenade launcher AR barrels. I think the
sour grapes are on your end. But what's it to you...you haven't bought a
firearm in this century.


--
Proud to be a Liberal.

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On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 4:00:12 PM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:


The fundie christians who promote this sort of "official state religion"
are not really any different than the fundie S'hia and Sunni muslims who
cannot seem to occupy the same country or state or province without
engaging in shooting wars with each other. The same would happen in
Idaho or any other state that adopted christianity as a state
religion...sooner or later the different christian sects there would
start shooting at each other in order to prove their sect was more
christian than the other guys' sect. There's plenty of historic
precedent for it.

Wow. You've been dipping into Kevin's stash, haven't you?