On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

===

Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun
ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related.

On Thursday, February 19, 2015 at 5:42:24 AM UTC-8, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

===

Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun
ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related.

True, but as he's proclaimed. Rationale is reserved for righties.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

===

Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun
ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related.

He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On 2/19/15 8:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

===

Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun
ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related.

He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism.


My comment was on the absurdity and inanity of trying to make some sort
of meaningful comparison between the number of car deaths and gun deaths.

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:21:52 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 8:59 AM, John H. wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 08:42:12 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

===

Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun
ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related.

He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism.


My comment was on the absurdity and inanity of trying to make some sort
of meaningful comparison between the number of car deaths and gun deaths.

Your comment was absurd.

Here - do it:

"If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related."

Show us how friggin' smart you really are.
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:21:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

===

Funny stuff, Harry the self proclaimed gun nut arguing against gun
ownership. If he were really into statistics he'd analyze the
demographics of where these gun murders were occurring, and how many
of them were drug gang related.

He can't do that. It would be bordering on racism.


My comment was on the absurdity and inanity of trying to make some sort
of meaningful comparison between the number of car deaths and gun deaths.

===

Why is it absurd? They both kill a fair number of people. I'd
concede that the vast majority of car deaths are accidental but there
are quite a few gun accidents also. Someone pointed out that half of
gun deaths are suicides. So what? I think people should have the
right to terminate their lives. Subtract out the suicides and
subtract out the gang banger violence and what do you have left?
Certainly the mass murders which cause all of the media and political
hysteria are relatively small numbers.

On 2/19/15 1:38 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:48:29 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:


Why is it absurd? They both kill a fair number of people. I'd
concede that the vast majority of car deaths are accidental ...

If you ever spent much time in traffic court you would hear the judge
say every "accident" was the result of an illegal act.


So, you spend a lot of time in traffic court? Why is that?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On 2/19/15 1:31 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:49:33 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 6:44 AM, Stick Left-Steer Left wrote:
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 06:37:11 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:56 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:30:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/18/15 5:52 PM, wrote:

How many people are killed by those guns sitting around doing nothing?

What I said only refers to the fact that most people killed in both
cases involve someone not following basic safety rules.

For the purposes of these discussions you really have to take suicide
out of the mix anyway. (more than half of firearm deaths) That is an
intentional act and people will find a way to do it. The Japanese
manage to have much higher rates and virtually none of them involve
firearms.


Murder with a firearm is not an intentional act?

Yup about 11,000 a year.
There are plenty of judges who will tell you that EVERY accident
involves someone breaking a traffic law and that is an intentional act
too. 43,000 times a year.

I suppose you could toss out the fraction of a percent that are bona
fide equipment failures but there are plenty of lawyers saying that
was an intentional act too.
How much is GM paying for the ignition switches?


The comparisons with car deaths is an absurdity anyone who has taken
college level stats and logic courses will see.

Only if you started with something else as your conclusion and tuned
your stats to prove it.


It's the premise that is absurd...and so anything built upon that
premise is also absurd.

yawn...


You lost again, Krause.


This is rec.boats...rationality among the righties here in firearms
does not exist. Go play with your toy airplanes.

Yell us again about your gun harry. It seems to be your only interest
beyond working.


I don't discuss my work or most of my non-work interests here in
rec.boats. What's the point?

--
Proud to be a Liberal.

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:34:07 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:47:29 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 2/19/15 1:31 PM, wrote:

Yell us again about your gun harry. It seems to be your only interest
beyond working.


I don't discuss my work or most of my non-work interests here in
rec.boats. What's the point?

Then why all of the gun stories? It is ironic that you seem to be the
most committed gun nut here and you are arguing how dangerous they
are. Considering the one you brag about the most was designed as an
implement of war to kill as many people as possible in the shortest
amount of time, your rage against the gun seems disingenuous at best.

You have to admit, Krause, he makes a damn good point there!
--

Guns don't cause problems. The behavior
of certain gun owners causes problems.