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On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote:
On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/5/15 10:14 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'. No, Wayne claims his barrel has dimples. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 2/5/2015 10:14 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'. That's a different story. We don't need to dwell on Harry's penis envy. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. === He's definitely a small barrel kind of guy, and not a very straight shooter either. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:57:54 -0500, Justan Olphart
wrote: On 2/5/2015 10:14 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. I believe he and Wayne have an ongoing discussion about Harry's 'short barrel'. That's a different story. We don't need to dwell on Harry's penis envy. === It does seem to be an important part of his personna however. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be shooting match grade ammo. What does that have to do with my not wanting to shoot the **** out of my HBR? -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 2/5/2015 11:59 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 10:06:32 -0500, Justan Olphart wrote: On 2/5/2015 9:52 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:08:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/5/15 9:01 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: You're not shooting 7.62X54R. The savings with that ammo is much more significant. Oh, and for the price of your new barrel, I could easily buy a couple more Mosin Nagants and have ammo money left over! No, I'm not shooting a "Russian caliber" ammo in a surplus Russian rifle. I'm shooting Taiwanese ammo in a high quality American rifle. :) You're welcome to your Mosins. I understand they can be decent rifles. They're just not appealing to me. I don't like the way they look, or their length, or their avoirdupois. They remind me of the old Sov style blocks of apartment buildings...big, ugly, heavy, and no sense of style. :) Actually, I'm glad. If you had a Mosin Nagant, we'd be hearing nothing but how much better yours is. I can see the pictures now: http://tinyurl.com/ny8lx8p Don't buy one. Please! I'm happy enough with my "old school" Winchester 1892. It's slim, beautifully finished, the wood is elegant, it's a handy length, and it's lightweight. It's a carbine. Shoots nicely, too. http://tinyurl.com/npaa25b Yeah, I like my Winchester 94 for the same reasons. But it's not as much fun to shoot as the Mosin Nagant. Harry prefers more petite weaponry. === He's definitely a small barrel kind of guy, and not a very straight shooter either. That's no joke. ;-) -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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On 5 Feb 2015 17:32:00 GMT, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:46:23 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be shooting match grade ammo. What does that have to do with my not wanting to shoot the **** out of my HBR? You have to make up your mind whether you are into accuracy or just volume of fire. The two do not go together. When I decide I have done the best I can do with the ammo I am using, I will upgrade to better ammo. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: ...you're black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg Speaking of color, that was a textbook piece of yellow journalism. Twenty years from now you will be more disppointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So, throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover. - Mark Twain 1987 23' Grady-White Gulfstream 2005 20' Angler CC 2004 17' G3 CC 1756 Out of Shallotte, NC |
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Mucho Loco wrote:
On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote: Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...you're black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426 I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his anti-cop bias. Well, of course you believe the police version. Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version narrated by a bull****ter. === There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very liberal mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks. If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by now. Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN? I'd like to try some of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it! http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj or: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015 === That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop. The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo purchased on site. They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal. Buds is having a pretty good sale on it. Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box. I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. :) The 50-yard indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo so long as you're not using steel bullets. Where do you find steel bullets? http://www.slickguns.com/product/762...-free-shipping Interesting. What is the jacket material? I wonder if they expand much unless you shoot an engine block? For paper, they would be fine and better for the environment! |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:50:17 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:28:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:15:28 -0500, wrote: If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be shooting match grade ammo. === Exactly. I was talking to one of my shooting buddys yesterday who competes with his custom 223 at 300 yards. He uses match grade ammo of course but he's noticed that the performance changes throughout the day as temperatures warm up. As a result he has started keeping his unfired ammo in a styrofoam cooler with a bit of ice in it to maintain a constant temp. I would worry more about the barrel temperature === Once you fire a shot or two the barrel comes up to a fairly uniform and constant temperature. Typically they allow some sighting shots before the actual competition begins. The effect he was noticing was directly related to the ammo and depended on things like whether it was stored in the sun or in the shade, things like that. Anyone who ever fired a machine gun understands the barrel will continue to warm up as you shoot unless you are shooting at a fairly slow rate of fire. === Understood but the guys who shoot long range are very slow and deliberate. |
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When I was shooting competition with the Garrand I let the loaded clips sit in the sunlight if there was any. I don't know how much effect it had at 300m over cool ammunition. I couldn't tell much diffrence in their performance.
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On Fri, 6 Feb 2015 05:29:15 -0800 (PST), Tim
wrote: When I was shooting competition with the Garrand I let the loaded clips sit in the sunlight if there was any. I don't know how much effect it had at 300m over cool ammunition. I couldn't tell much diffrence in their performance. === The fellow I was talking to the other day shoots a highly customized 223 with very tight groups at 300 yards. He said that he was seeing elevation differences of 2 to 3 inches between hot and cold ammo. |
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Wayne That may be with a .223 at that distance. I may have seen or noticed a difference if I was shooting further with the 30.06
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:03:14 -0500, Someone Else wrote:
Mucho Loco wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 4:52 PM, Califbill wrote: Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 11:21:20 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:32:55 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 09:51:00 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 03 Feb 2015 08:50:26 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:25:19 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/2/15 8:49 PM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:29:37 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 08:41:32 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: ...you're black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-t...&v=AWq2HRSYFCg http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...icle-1.2099426 I'm sure Harry will acknowledge his error and admit his anti-cop bias. Well, of course you believe the police version. Well, of course you believe the 30 second anti-cop version narrated by a bull****ter. === There's no reason not to believe the cop version. It has been very well investigated by the city of New Rochelle which has a very liberal mayor and a significant number of affluent and well educated blacks. If there was any scandal at all it would have been flushed out by now. Speaking of cops and guns. What ammo are you shooting in the MN? I'd like to try some of this stuff, but can't find a place to shoot it! http://tinyurl.com/jwsj8pj or: http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411549818/Russian+7.62x54R+147gr.+Full+Metal+Jacket%2C+20+rd s?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=M osinAmmo27Jan2015 === That looks like the same stuff. The bullets are copper clad over a steel core and the cases are copper washed steel with a corrosive primer. They come wrapped in paper, 20 rounds to a bundle, and are about 30 cents a round here at a local gun shop. The only outdoor range I can find locally requires use of ammo purchased on site. They want $14.95 for a box of 20 of the Russian surplus stuff. Unreal. Buds is having a pretty good sale on it. Buy one box of theirs and have a bunch of yours in the range box. I guess we're lucky we have a public outdoor shooting range a reasonable distance away, and it doesn't sell ammo. :) The 50-yard indoor rifle range near here is private, but you can use your own ammo so long as you're not using steel bullets. Where do you find steel bullets? http://www.slickguns.com/product/762...-free-shipping Interesting. What is the jacket material? I wonder if they expand much unless you shoot an engine block? For paper, they would be fine and better for the environment! I don't know what the jacket material is. I've seen some that say there is steel in the bimetal jacket, which keeps it from passing the magnet test. I'd be shooting the stuff in a heartbeat if they'd let me shoot it indoors. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:50:17 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 23:28:01 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 13:15:28 -0500, wrote: If you are really that interested in precision shooting you should be shooting match grade ammo. === Exactly. I was talking to one of my shooting buddys yesterday who competes with his custom 223 at 300 yards. He uses match grade ammo of course but he's noticed that the performance changes throughout the day as temperatures warm up. As a result he has started keeping his unfired ammo in a styrofoam cooler with a bit of ice in it to maintain a constant temp. I would worry more about the barrel temperature === Once you fire a shot or two the barrel comes up to a fairly uniform and constant temperature. Typically they allow some sighting shots before the actual competition begins. The effect he was noticing was directly related to the ammo and depended on things like whether it was stored in the sun or in the shade, things like that. Anyone who ever fired a machine gun understands the barrel will continue to warm up as you shoot unless you are shooting at a fairly slow rate of fire. I've never heard of machine gun competition shooting. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 2/6/15 10:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. I see guys at our range shooting Russian ammo in their AKs all the time but maybe the rifle is just made for it. Or maybe AK barrels are cheaper or less of a pain in the ass to replace. I was just offered a "real deal" on a new S&W 686 revolver, stainless, 4" barrel, in .357MAG/.38SPECIAL. In other words, the same caliber of my Ruger, but with a shorter barrel. What to do, what to do? -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 2/6/2015 10:59 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/15 10:54 AM, wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. I see guys at our range shooting Russian ammo in their AKs all the time but maybe the rifle is just made for it. Or maybe AK barrels are cheaper or less of a pain in the ass to replace. I was just offered a "real deal" on a new S&W 686 revolver, stainless, 4" barrel, in .357MAG/.38SPECIAL. In other words, the same caliber of my Ruger, but with a shorter barrel. What to do, what to do? I had a S&W 627 Performance Center revolver for a while. 8 round cylinder and 5" barrel. Loved it but rarely used it. Ended up selling it to a guy at the gun club who "had" to have it. I've posted a video before of me shooting it at the range with alternating 357 magnum and .38 special rounds. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF00rLj8AEY |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. When you say, "The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo," one would think you're talking about the casing, not the bullet. I'm finding the steel bullet ammo to cost from about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of the non-steel bullets. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/6/15 11:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/6/2015 10:59 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:54 AM, wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. I see guys at our range shooting Russian ammo in their AKs all the time but maybe the rifle is just made for it. Or maybe AK barrels are cheaper or less of a pain in the ass to replace. I was just offered a "real deal" on a new S&W 686 revolver, stainless, 4" barrel, in .357MAG/.38SPECIAL. In other words, the same caliber of my Ruger, but with a shorter barrel. What to do, what to do? I had a S&W 627 Performance Center revolver for a while. 8 round cylinder and 5" barrel. Loved it but rarely used it. Ended up selling it to a guy at the gun club who "had" to have it. I've posted a video before of me shooting it at the range with alternating 357 magnum and .38 special rounds. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF00rLj8AEY Cool vid. I really don't know what to do. I don't want or need two .357 MAG revolvers... I guess I could buy the S&W and sell the Ruger or sell the S&W... The Ruger is one hell of a shooter. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On 2/6/15 11:24 AM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. When you say, "The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo," one would think you're talking about the casing, not the bullet. I'm finding the steel bullet ammo to cost from about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of the non-steel bullets. In .223 mail order, the brass bullet and shell casing ammo runs .27 cents to .31 for "ordinary" stuff, 55 grain bullets. The steel cased, bimetal bullet stuff is .22 a round. I don't have any info on the stuff you shoot out of that shapely Mosin. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:54:19 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. I see guys at our range shooting Russian ammo in their AKs all the time but maybe the rifle is just made for it. Outdoor? I'd expect they just clean their bores very well after they shoot. The cheap stuff is corrosive, and the ads say so right up front. "Copper washed steel case, Berdan-primed, non-reloadable, ***corrosive***, 147 Grain, Russian 1977 production. 188 headstamp, steel core full metal jacket bullet. - See more at: http://www.sportsmansguide.com/produ....1oDkgTRa.dpuf [My asterisks added.] -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/6/15 11:44 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:37:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 11:33 AM, wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:59:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: I was just offered a "real deal" on a new S&W 686 revolver, stainless, 4" barrel, in .357MAG/.38SPECIAL. In other words, the same caliber of my Ruger, but with a shorter barrel. What to do, what to do? If it is a great deal, buy it. You have no problem selling it later and you might even make a buck. Probably, but I really don't want two .357 revolvers. You should buy my Ruger and have yourself a "manly" modern old tech firearm. Hell, I'll even toss in some ammo, shipped separately. :) I have enough guns but I will give you $100 for it For that, I'll let you sniff the cylinder. :) -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:44:15 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:37:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 11:33 AM, wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:59:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: I was just offered a "real deal" on a new S&W 686 revolver, stainless, 4" barrel, in .357MAG/.38SPECIAL. In other words, the same caliber of my Ruger, but with a shorter barrel. What to do, what to do? If it is a great deal, buy it. You have no problem selling it later and you might even make a buck. Probably, but I really don't want two .357 revolvers. You should buy my Ruger and have yourself a "manly" modern old tech firearm. Hell, I'll even toss in some ammo, shipped separately. :) I have enough guns but I will give you $100 for it === I'll go $150. |
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On 2/6/15 12:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:44:15 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:37:43 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 11:33 AM, wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:59:29 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: I was just offered a "real deal" on a new S&W 686 revolver, stainless, 4" barrel, in .357MAG/.38SPECIAL. In other words, the same caliber of my Ruger, but with a shorter barrel. What to do, what to do? If it is a great deal, buy it. You have no problem selling it later and you might even make a buck. Probably, but I really don't want two .357 revolvers. You should buy my Ruger and have yourself a "manly" modern old tech firearm. Hell, I'll even toss in some ammo, shipped separately. :) I have enough guns but I will give you $100 for it === I'll go $150. For $150, you can sniff the cylinder and the barrel. :) -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:18:10 -0500, Mucho Loco
wrote: I don't know what the jacket material is. I've seen some that say there is steel in the bimetal jacket, which keeps it from passing the magnet test. === The jacket looks like copper. Both the bullet and the case are strongly attracted to magnets. |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:27:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 2/6/15 11:24 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. When you say, "The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo," one would think you're talking about the casing, not the bullet. I'm finding the steel bullet ammo to cost from about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of the non-steel bullets. In .223 mail order, the brass bullet and shell casing ammo runs .27 cents to .31 for "ordinary" stuff, 55 grain bullets. The steel cased, bimetal bullet stuff is .22 a round. I don't have any info on the stuff you shoot out of that shapely Mosin. Again, you're confusing casings with bullets. We've not been talking casings. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 12:23:45 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:18:10 -0500, Mucho Loco wrote: I don't know what the jacket material is. I've seen some that say there is steel in the bimetal jacket, which keeps it from passing the magnet test. === The jacket looks like copper. Both the bullet and the case are strongly attracted to magnets. That keeps it out of all the indoor ranges around here. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On 2/6/2015 12:50 PM, Mucho Loco wrote:
On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:27:34 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 11:24 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 10:27:04 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/6/15 10:22 AM, Mucho Loco wrote: On Thu, 05 Feb 2015 20:07:43 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/4/15 9:55 PM, wrote: On Wed, 04 Feb 2015 19:33:28 -0500, Someone Else wrote: Where do you find steel bullets? The Russians and Chinese load "bimetal" ammo that is somewhat magnetic but it is not really "steel". I tore down a "Brown Bear" 9mm a week or so ago and the jacket is not really that hard. I also posted a link to a 10,000 round test where they showed that it cuts barrel life in half (5000 rounds vs 10,000 in the .223s they tested). When they factored in the price of a barrel against the savings on ammo, it was a wash. I imagine the effect is less in a slower round. If you trade in guns as fast as Harry does, I doubt he would ever notice. Those who are interested in the composition of bullets might find this interesting: http://www.uspsa.org/front-sight-mag...BiMetal-Ammo-8 It's not just the cost of the barrel, by the way. A top quality HBAR is at least $350 and in my case, I'd also have to buy a low-pro gas block and probably have to have the barrel dimpled to hold the gas block set screws, since my current gas block is more properly pinned through the bottom wall of the barrel. That's another $50. Then there is the cost of getting a qualified gunsmith to headspace the barrel. That's another $50 or more. By the time you've finished, you've spent $500 for a quality replacement barrel. The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo. I'll pass on that "savings" in order not to have to deal with replacing a barrel long before its time. Oh, and I can shoot the brass ammo on any range where rifles are welcomed. You are confusing casings and bullets. Yup. No, I am not. I am referring to the ferrous metal in the bullets, not the shell casing. I wouldn't use steel shell casings in a semi auto, either but obviously they'd present no problem in a revolver. When you say, "The steel cased ammo is a nickel a round less than the brass ammo," one would think you're talking about the casing, not the bullet. I'm finding the steel bullet ammo to cost from about 1/2 to 1/3 the cost of the non-steel bullets. In .223 mail order, the brass bullet and shell casing ammo runs .27 cents to .31 for "ordinary" stuff, 55 grain bullets. The steel cased, bimetal bullet stuff is .22 a round. I don't have any info on the stuff you shoot out of that shapely Mosin. Again, you're confusing casings with bullets. We've not been talking casings. Harry didn't know he was quoting prices for casing only? Sheeesh. -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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