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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 1/21/2015 4:18 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/21/2015 2:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 2:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:46:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 1:38 PM, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. “He’s got a gun!” Foster reportedly exclaimed. “I have a permit!” Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. “Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen,” McKinnon noted. “We understand it’s alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders.” “The Sheriff’s Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related,” the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should “make sure there’s a good reason” before tackling gun owners. “Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun,” he pointed out. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Sad but true. === Daniels certainly did not deserve to be assaulted but he did violate one of the cardinal rules of concealed carry which is to keep your weapon concealed at all times. Allowing someone else to see your firearm can be considered "brandishing" under some circumstances. My gut tells me that if Daniels were a white guy, the self-appointed vigilante, Michael Foster, would have ignored the guy. I hope but I doubt Daniels gets some slammer time. "Gut" feels are nothing but a prejudgement. You have no idea what the guy would have done if the gun guy was white. Well, of course. That's why I qualified the statement with my gut feeling. Ah, but "gut" feels is a form of prejudice, stereotyping and, in some cases, racism. Recent history teaches that if you are black, you are more likely to have a bad outcome in these sorts of encounters. -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:38:02 -0800, jps wrote:
The Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriffs Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriffs Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. Hes got a gun! Foster reportedly exclaimed. I have a permit! Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen, McKinnon noted. We understand its alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders. The Sheriffs Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should make sure theres a good reason before tackling gun owners. Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun, he pointed out. Very funny. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Unnecessary bull****. -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 14:09:55 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote:
On 1/21/15 2:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:46:39 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 1/21/15 1:38 PM, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriffs Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriffs Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. Hes got a gun! Foster reportedly exclaimed. I have a permit! Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen, McKinnon noted. We understand its alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders. The Sheriffs Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should make sure theres a good reason before tackling gun owners. Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun, he pointed out. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Sad but true. === Daniels certainly did not deserve to be assaulted but he did violate one of the cardinal rules of concealed carry which is to keep your weapon concealed at all times. Allowing someone else to see your firearm can be considered "brandishing" under some circumstances. My gut tells me that if Daniels were a white guy, the self-appointed vigilante, Michael Foster, would have ignored the guy. I hope but I doubt Daniels gets some slammer time. Showing some racism there, aren't you? -- Guns don't cause problems. The behavior of certain gun owners causes problems. |
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Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:38:02 -0800, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriffs Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriffs Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. Hes got a gun! Foster reportedly exclaimed. I have a permit! Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen, McKinnon noted. We understand its alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders. The Sheriffs Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should make sure theres a good reason before tackling gun owners. Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun, he pointed out. Very funny. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Unnecessary bull****. Why is that? -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
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On 1/21/15 5:52 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:38:02 -0800, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriffs Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriffs Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. Hes got a gun! Foster reportedly exclaimed. I have a permit! Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen, McKinnon noted. We understand its alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders. The Sheriffs Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should make sure theres a good reason before tackling gun owners. Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun, he pointed out. Very funny. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Unnecessary bull****. Just because you think that doesn't make it so. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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Keyser Söze wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/21/2015 4:18 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/21/2015 2:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 2:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:46:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 1:38 PM, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. “He’s got a gun!” Foster reportedly exclaimed. “I have a permit!” Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. “Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen,” McKinnon noted. “We understand it’s alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders.” “The Sheriff’s Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related,” the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should “make sure there’s a good reason” before tackling gun owners. “Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun,” he pointed out. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Sad but true. === Daniels certainly did not deserve to be assaulted but he did violate one of the cardinal rules of concealed carry which is to keep your weapon concealed at all times. Allowing someone else to see your firearm can be considered "brandishing" under some circumstances. My gut tells me that if Daniels were a white guy, the self-appointed vigilante, Michael Foster, would have ignored the guy. I hope but I doubt Daniels gets some slammer time. "Gut" feels are nothing but a prejudgement. You have no idea what the guy would have done if the gun guy was white. Well, of course. That's why I qualified the statement with my gut feeling. Ah, but "gut" feels is a form of prejudice, stereotyping and, in some cases, racism. Recent history teaches that if you are black, you are more likely to have a bad outcome in these sorts of encounters. History also tells us violent crime by blacks is way out of proportion to their percent of the population. |
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On 1/21/15 7:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/21/2015 4:18 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 4:09 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 1/21/2015 2:09 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 2:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:46:39 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/21/15 1:38 PM, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriff’s Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. “He’s got a gun!” Foster reportedly exclaimed. “I have a permit!” Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. “Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen,” McKinnon noted. “We understand it’s alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders.” “The Sheriff’s Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related,” the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should “make sure there’s a good reason” before tackling gun owners. “Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun,” he pointed out. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Sad but true. === Daniels certainly did not deserve to be assaulted but he did violate one of the cardinal rules of concealed carry which is to keep your weapon concealed at all times. Allowing someone else to see your firearm can be considered "brandishing" under some circumstances. My gut tells me that if Daniels were a white guy, the self-appointed vigilante, Michael Foster, would have ignored the guy. I hope but I doubt Daniels gets some slammer time. "Gut" feels are nothing but a prejudgement. You have no idea what the guy would have done if the gun guy was white. Well, of course. That's why I qualified the statement with my gut feeling. Ah, but "gut" feels is a form of prejudice, stereotyping and, in some cases, racism. Recent history teaches that if you are black, you are more likely to have a bad outcome in these sorts of encounters. History also tells us violent crime by blacks is way out of proportion to their percent of the population. Which has nothing to do with the reported incident. -- Proud to be a Liberal. |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:09:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 1/21/2015 2:09 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 1/21/15 2:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:46:39 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 1/21/15 1:38 PM, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriffs Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriffs Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. Hes got a gun! Foster reportedly exclaimed. I have a permit! Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen, McKinnon noted. We understand its alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders. The Sheriffs Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should make sure theres a good reason before tackling gun owners. Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun, he pointed out. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Sad but true. === Daniels certainly did not deserve to be assaulted but he did violate one of the cardinal rules of concealed carry which is to keep your weapon concealed at all times. Allowing someone else to see your firearm can be considered "brandishing" under some circumstances. My gut tells me that if Daniels were a white guy, the self-appointed vigilante, Michael Foster, would have ignored the guy. I hope but I doubt Daniels gets some slammer time. "Gut" feels are nothing but a prejudgement. You have no idea what the guy would have done if the gun guy was white. Okay, forget the gut feeling. What are the odds? Think past events are going to support an equal number on both sides of that equation? I'm thinkin' they support my original assumption that white folks are going to prejudge black folks as threatening far more often than black folks are going to conclude the same of whites. |
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On 1/21/2015 7:18 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:09:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 1/21/2015 2:09 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 1/21/15 2:04 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:46:39 -0500, Keyser Sze wrote: On 1/21/15 1:38 PM, jps wrote: The Hillsborough County Sheriffs Office has asked vigilantes to please be careful about which gun owners they choose to attack after a black concealed carry permit holder was wrongly assaulted at a Florida Walmart. According to the Hillsborough Sheriffs Office, 62-year-old Clarence Daniels was entering Walmart with his legally concealed firearm to buy coffee creamer on Tuesday when he was spotted by 43-year-old vigilante Michael Foster. Foster, who is white, had observed Daniels conceal the weapon under his coat before he came into the store. When Daniels crossed the threshold, Foster tackled him and placed him in a chokehold, Hillsborough Sheriffs Office spokesperson Larry McKinnon explained. Hes got a gun! Foster reportedly exclaimed. I have a permit! Daniels repeatedly shouted back. After a struggle, the men were separated. Deputies later arrived and Foster was charged with battery. Unfortunately he tackled a guy that was a law-abiding citizen, McKinnon noted. We understand its alarming for people to see other people with guns, but Florida has a large population of concealed weapons permit holders. The Sheriffs Office recommends that vigilante-inclined citizens refrain from taking matters into their own hands, especially when an incident is gun-related, the Tampa Bay Times reported. McKinnon said that vigilantes should make sure theres a good reason before tackling gun owners. Otherwise you might be confronting a guy that is legally permitted to carry a gun, he pointed out. Concealed carry permits are cool, as long as you're white. Sad but true. === Daniels certainly did not deserve to be assaulted but he did violate one of the cardinal rules of concealed carry which is to keep your weapon concealed at all times. Allowing someone else to see your firearm can be considered "brandishing" under some circumstances. My gut tells me that if Daniels were a white guy, the self-appointed vigilante, Michael Foster, would have ignored the guy. I hope but I doubt Daniels gets some slammer time. "Gut" feels are nothing but a prejudgement. You have no idea what the guy would have done if the gun guy was white. Okay, forget the gut feeling. What are the odds? Think past events are going to support an equal number on both sides of that equation? I'm thinkin' they support my original assumption that white folks are going to prejudge black folks as threatening far more often than black folks are going to conclude the same of whites. And that assumption, without knowing the facts, is what contributes to the perpetual problems of race relations. When the day comes that perps and victims are no longer identified as black or white, but simply by name and age we will be making the first solid steps to ending racism. |
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On 1/21/2015 7:12 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
Recent history teaches that if you are black, you are more likely to have a bad outcome in these sorts of encounters. History also tells us violent crime by blacks is way out of proportion to their percent of the population. Which has nothing to do with the reported incident. Which has anything to do with the reported incident? -- Respectfully submitted by Justan Laugh of the day from Krause "I'm not to blame anymore for the atmosphere in here. I've been "born again" as a nice guy." |
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