On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:06:35 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:12:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:53:06 +0000, RGrew176
wrote:


Wayne.B;1025098 Wrote:
My club is starting up an event for antique military rifles. After
hearing all of the rave reviews here and other places, I went out and
bought a Mosin Nagant 91/30 the other day. It seems to be in fairly
good condition and shoots reliably but is consistently about 8 or 9
inches high at 50 yards which is the distance for our event. The rear
sight is down all the way. The gun must be totally stock for the most
part - no scopes or replacement sights are allowed which sevely limits
the options.

One thing I was thinking about was cutting the notch in the rear sight
a little deeper. Any ideas on that or anything else?

The iron sights on this rifle are set for 300 yards. When I was
researching mine I found that little tidbit somewhere in my research. If
I can again find the article I will link it here but it will not be
until the weekend that I will have time to look. Anything less than 300
yards will be high.

From everything I have heard, a standard battle zero is 200 yards and
the assumption is that a center of mass aim will still deliver a
debilitating hit anywhere from point blank to almost 350 yards.
The high point with 7.62 NATO will be around 120 yards and a few
inches. If you did zero at 300, you would still only be about 6" high
around 170 yards.
Bear in mind European/American strategy was that a wound was as good,
if not better than a kill. The assumption was that the enemy would
expend resources saving a wounded guy. When we started dealing with
Asians that did not always ring true.

If you are 8" high at 50 yards you will be zero again at about 600.
(using the 7.62 NATO calculator)
http://gundata.org/ballistic-calculator/

I don't see the data for the 7.62-54

My battle zero with the M-14 was 100 yards. I'll never forget that!

===

My recollection of basic training has dimmed a little since 1967 but I
seem to recall zeroing the M-14 at some relatively close range, maybe
25 yards. The theory was that it would then also be zeroed at
something like 100 or 150 yards. I forget. It was an easy gun to
zero, only took 3 or 4 three shot groups to get it dead nutz on as I
recall. After that I could hit anything they threw at us out to 300
yards or so. Nice shooting rifle and I ended up as top gun in our
platoon.

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 19:57:25 -0500, Wayne.B wrote:

On Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:06:35 -0500, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:12:46 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jan 2015 08:53:06 +0000, RGrew176
wrote:


Wayne.B;1025098 Wrote:
My club is starting up an event for antique military rifles. After
hearing all of the rave reviews here and other places, I went out and
bought a Mosin Nagant 91/30 the other day. It seems to be in fairly
good condition and shoots reliably but is consistently about 8 or 9
inches high at 50 yards which is the distance for our event. The rear
sight is down all the way. The gun must be totally stock for the most
part - no scopes or replacement sights are allowed which sevely limits
the options.

One thing I was thinking about was cutting the notch in the rear sight
a little deeper. Any ideas on that or anything else?

The iron sights on this rifle are set for 300 yards. When I was
researching mine I found that little tidbit somewhere in my research. If
I can again find the article I will link it here but it will not be
until the weekend that I will have time to look. Anything less than 300
yards will be high.

From everything I have heard, a standard battle zero is 200 yards and
the assumption is that a center of mass aim will still deliver a
debilitating hit anywhere from point blank to almost 350 yards.
The high point with 7.62 NATO will be around 120 yards and a few
inches. If you did zero at 300, you would still only be about 6" high
around 170 yards.
Bear in mind European/American strategy was that a wound was as good,
if not better than a kill. The assumption was that the enemy would
expend resources saving a wounded guy. When we started dealing with
Asians that did not always ring true.

If you are 8" high at 50 yards you will be zero again at about 600.
(using the 7.62 NATO calculator)
http://gundata.org/ballistic-calculator/

I don't see the data for the 7.62-54

My battle zero with the M-14 was 100 yards. I'll never forget that!

===

My recollection of basic training has dimmed a little since 1967 but I
seem to recall zeroing the M-14 at some relatively close range, maybe
25 yards. The theory was that it would then also be zeroed at
something like 100 or 150 yards. I forget. It was an easy gun to
zero, only took 3 or 4 three shot groups to get it dead nutz on as I
recall. After that I could hit anything they threw at us out to 300
yards or so. Nice shooting rifle and I ended up as top gun in our
platoon.

You know what? You're absolutely right. i guess by gosh I *did* forget that. Yes, it was 25 yards,
sandbag supported, shot group had to be covered by a quarter, which I think the drill sergeant stole
from everyone after saying OK.

Yup, easy to shoot. I missed two targets when qualifying - both 50 yard targets. Forgot to aim low.
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