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On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh?  I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. -- Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. |
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote: On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, snippage Actually, Toad, you're the one that's amusing. -- "The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a couple liberals." (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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#96
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On 12/13/2014 9:32 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, snippage Actually, Toad, you're the one that's amusing. I used to think that too. Now I think of him as a pathetic condescending asshole who didn't get educated in social graces. |
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#97
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On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were Democrats, right? Your perspectives on history lack...perspective. -- Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. |
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#98
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On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were Democrats, right? Your perspectives on history lack...perspective. Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the 34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out? As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency. |
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#99
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On 12/13/14 12:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were Democrats, right? Your perspectives on history lack...perspective. Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the 34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out? As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency. Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example. The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is correct. Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of the party in the White House is simple minded. -- Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president, if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide. |
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On 12/13/2014 12:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 12:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote: All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right? And 2 that weren't called wars. Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea? I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what Hitler had "speechified" to heart. In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. You never pointed out anything I said that was not true. Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to hell in a handbasket. How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were Democrats, right? Your perspectives on history lack...perspective. Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the 34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out? As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency. Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example. The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is correct. Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of the party in the White House is simple minded. Actually, Greg is correct. Technically Korea, Vietnam, "Operation Desert Storm " (and all others since WWII) were not "declared wars". Only two wars declared by Congress in the 20th Century have occurred; WWI under a Democrat (Wilson) and WWII under a Democrat (Roosevelt). All in all, Congress has declared war 11 times. |
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