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On 12/11/14 5:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:37:56 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/14 1:24 PM, Toad Gig wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:35:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:52:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the
high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we
sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country
right or wrong" hypocrisy.


That moral high ground is mostly a myth anyway.
Which war was "moral"?
If you don't think the OSS or the FBI used coercive interrogation
methods you have been watching too many movies.

'Moral high ground' is a term used by liberals who disagree that a
threat may exist or should be defeated.


Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

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On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

The blood of the Asians (and quite a few Middle Easterners) is on
*his* hands.

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On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:31:17 PM UTC-5, Wayne. B wrote:

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.
..

krause is just a dip****....nothing more. The only friends he has on here is dicklicker White, and luddite , the idiot.

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On 12/11/14 9:43 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:35:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/14 5:14 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:37:56 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/11/14 1:24 PM, Toad Gig wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:35:36 -0500, wrote:

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:52:39 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

And once again, you miss the point. The point is, we tend to claim the
high moral ground in this country for our military actions, and since we
sometimes behave as badly as our enemies, it's just another "my country
right or wrong" hypocrisy.


That moral high ground is mostly a myth anyway.
Which war was "moral"?
If you don't think the OSS or the FBI used coercive interrogation
methods you have been watching too many movies.

'Moral high ground' is a term used by liberals who disagree that a
threat may exist or should be defeated.


Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.



Nixon got us out after raising the stakes on bombing but finally paid
attention to the protestors and his impending political demise
(Watergate, remember?) and started the process of really ending the war,
none of which has anything to do with my comment about right-wingers who
are the "my country, right or wrong" dip****s.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

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On 12/11/14 11:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

No, I'm not. I blame American leadership, Republican and Democrat, for
that horror.

You should stick to what you know best...defending banksterism, crooked
bankers, and telling us how big your boat is.


--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

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On Friday, December 12, 2014 6:26:37 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:
and telling us how big your boat is.


The same way YOU do, asshole?

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:26:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/14 11:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

No, I'm not. I blame American leadership, Republican and Democrat, for
that horror.

You should stick to what you know best...defending banksterism, crooked
bankers, and telling us how big your boat is.

===

No reason to blame the Republicans. The Democrats were very much in
charge of the war's escalation, and Republicans shut it down.

You should also stick to what you know: Lying, fraud, deceit,
financial irresponsibility, gun boasting, snarky remarks, etc.

Hold that thought - you're doing a good job already.

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:25:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:26:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/14 11:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

No, I'm not. I blame American leadership, Republican and Democrat, for
that horror.

You should stick to what you know best...defending banksterism, crooked
bankers, and telling us how big your boat is.

===

No reason to blame the Republicans. The Democrats were very much in
charge of the war's escalation, and Republicans shut it down.

You should also stick to what you know: Lying, fraud, deceit,
financial irresponsibility, gun boasting, snarky remarks, etc.

Hold that thought - you're doing a good job already.

Ewww! Better add 'hole poking' to that list.
--

"The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a couple liberals."

(Thanks, Luddite!)

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On 12/12/14 10:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:26:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/14 11:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

No, I'm not. I blame American leadership, Republican and Democrat, for
that horror.

You should stick to what you know best...defending banksterism, crooked
bankers, and telling us how big your boat is.

===

No reason to blame the Republicans. The Democrats were very much in
charge of the war's escalation, and Republicans shut it down.

You should also stick to what you know: Lying, fraud, deceit,
financial irresponsibility, gun boasting, snarky remarks, etc.

Hold that thought - you're doing a good job already.



snerk

Nixon escalated the war against Vietnam before public pressure forced
him to reverse direction.

Funny comments coming from a bankster who has pension money coming from
a criminal bankster organization. Oh, how much water does that aging
barge of yours draw? Tell us again, I forgot, mr. boat boaster.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

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On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:37:22 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 10:25 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:26:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/14 11:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

No, I'm not. I blame American leadership, Republican and Democrat, for
that horror.

You should stick to what you know best...defending banksterism, crooked
bankers, and telling us how big your boat is.

===

No reason to blame the Republicans. The Democrats were very much in
charge of the war's escalation, and Republicans shut it down.

You should also stick to what you know: Lying, fraud, deceit,
financial irresponsibility, gun boasting, snarky remarks, etc.

Hold that thought - you're doing a good job already.



snerk

Nixon escalated the war against Vietnam before public pressure forced
him to reverse direction.

Funny comments coming from a bankster who has pension money coming from
a criminal bankster organization. Oh, how much water does that aging
barge of yours draw? Tell us again, I forgot, mr. boat boaster.

Toad, you've demonstrated a severe case of perseveration over the
amount of water drawn by Waynes boat.

Why? What difference does it make.
--

"The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a couple liberals."

(Thanks, Luddite!)

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On 12/12/2014 10:28 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:25:03 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 06:26:35 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/11/14 11:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 11 Dec 2014 21:43:53 -0500, wrote:

Wrong as usual. Moral high ground is a synonym right-wing dip****s like
you use to justify your feelings of 'my country, right or wrong." It's
the simplethink that people like you use to justify the slaughter of a
million plus SE Asians and 100,000+ Iraqis and Afghanis in pursuit of a
right-wing war against the wrong countries.


I thought it was a left wing war. LBJ was a Democrat.


===

As was Kennedy of course. Classic case of selective forgetfulness on
Harry's part, not to mention some revisionist history.



That there were and are right-wing dip****s who believe in my country
right or wrong has nothing to do with Kennedy, who, btw, was hardly a
leftie.

Kennedy increased our involvement from a couple hundred covert guys to
thousands in uniform, LBJ took it to a half a million.
Nixon was the one who got us out and Ford closed the door.

===

Harry may be one of those left wing dip ****s who use simple think to
convince themselves that Vietnam was a conservative Republican war.

No, I'm not. I blame American leadership, Republican and Democrat, for
that horror.

You should stick to what you know best...defending banksterism, crooked
bankers, and telling us how big your boat is.

===

No reason to blame the Republicans. The Democrats were very much in
charge of the war's escalation, and Republicans shut it down.

You should also stick to what you know: Lying, fraud, deceit,
financial irresponsibility, gun boasting, snarky remarks, etc.

Hold that thought - you're doing a good job already.

Ewww! Better add 'hole poking' to that list.


lol.

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On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?



--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

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On 12/12/14 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 10:37:22 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

Nixon escalated the war against Vietnam before public pressure forced
him to reverse direction.

Nixon pivoted from a ground war to a bombing war ... sort of like that
Arkansas guy or the tan fellow from Illinois


So, Nixon *didn't* escalate? Oh.

--
I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers.
After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer.

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On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)




--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

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On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing,

snippage


Actually, Toad, you're the one that's amusing.
--

"The modern definition of 'ingrained racist' is someone who's winning an argument
with a couple liberals."

(Thanks, Luddite!)

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On 12/13/2014 9:32 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing,

snippage


Actually, Toad, you're the one that's amusing.

I used to think that too. Now I think of him as a pathetic condescending
asshole who didn't get educated in social graces.

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On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.



Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the
34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out?

As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly
developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or
contingency.

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On 12/13/14 12:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars.
Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is
the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by
formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars,
including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its
geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a
buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of
what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.



Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the
34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out?

As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly
developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency.


Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century
were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit
was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example.

The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim
or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is
correct.

Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires
looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of
the party in the White House is simple minded.



--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/13/2014 12:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 12:00 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/13/2014 11:52 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars.
Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th
century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is
the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by
formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars,
including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its
geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a
buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of
what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.



Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the
34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out?

As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly
developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency.


Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century
were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit
was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example.

The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim
or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is
correct.

Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires
looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of
the party in the White House is simple minded.





Actually, Greg is correct. Technically Korea, Vietnam, "Operation
Desert Storm " (and all others since WWII) were not "declared wars".
Only two wars declared by Congress in the 20th Century have occurred;
WWI under a Democrat (Wilson) and WWII under a Democrat (Roosevelt).

All in all, Congress has declared war 11 times.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/13/2014 12:11 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration. Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.



Come on Harry. Have you forgotten about Saddam invading Kuwait and the
34 nations who joined with the US to boot him out?

As for war planning, the Pentagon (under any president) is constantly
developing "what if" scenarios for virtually any conflict or contingency.


Greg posited that *all* the wars in which we engaged in the 20th Century
were entered when Democratic presidents were in office. My counterposit
was that Greg was incorrect, and I offered an example.

The cause of that first Gulf War is not relevant to either Greg's claim
or my counterclaim. And of course your second point about planning is
correct.

Retrospective analysis of complex actions like wars usually requires
looking beyond simple reasons. Trying to attribute them to the party of
the party in the White House is simple minded.



--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

It's fun to watch you step on your tongue, as you did here.

Torturing SOB's
 

wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 11:52:27 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 11:35 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 07:33:46 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:55 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2014 15:42:48 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/12/14 11:49 AM, wrote:

All of the wars in the 20th century were on the democrat's watch

You mean, of course, all the wars abroad that were called wars. Right?

And 2 that weren't called wars.

Are you going to try to compare Granada with Vietnam and Korea?



I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

Your perspectives on history lack...perspective.

Reagan planned the Gulf War, 3 years before Saddam invaded Kuwait?
Do tell.
You guys really have to get your story straight. I have no problem
finding plenty of articles from liberals complaining that the Reagan
administration was too friendly to Saddam. That was a move started by
the Carter administration and by Zbigniew Brzezinski in particular.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

Are you really going to compare that to Vietnam or Korea, both
unnecessary wars and we lost both.

Oh, wait, you libertarians believe Reagan and Bush were
Democrats, right?


Yes we do believe there was very little difference between GHWB and
the democrats.

Actually, Korea is not lost. Is still going on. Still meetings in
Panmunjom I think.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?




--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Actually the Korean War was a draw and since only an armistice was signed the state of war still exists.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

Was your red barn an 'error' that should be pointed out!
--

Here's hoping you have a very Merry Christmas, and a spectacular New Year!

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 11:40 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

Was your red barn an 'error' that should be pointed out!

Krause made a number of errors that contributed to his financial ruination.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 11:40 AM, Toad Gigger wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

Was your red barn an 'error' that should be pointed out!



--
Dump on Krause.
He earned it.
Dump on Krause.
He earned it.

Torturing SOB's
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.



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Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/14 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.


Carter is responsible for none of the hostages Iran held being executed,
and Reagan is responsible for selling us out in Iran.

--
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if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On Saturday, December 13, 2014 7:33:49 AM UTC-5, Keyser Söze wrote:

I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites),

Just like you krause, a boring, cheap flop.......

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars
and who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about
the Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/14 3:56 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars
and who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about
the Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.

Is this how you tuck your tail between your legs and slink off to lick
your wounds?



If you get another life, Bertie, try paying attention in high school and
not being a disciplinary problem so the court offers you more choices
than jail or joining the marines.

--
Let’s elect a gay black woman with a latino lover president,
if only for the possibility of provoking a right-wing mass suicide.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 2:05 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/14/14 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one
of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th
century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of
thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline
imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one
might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone
posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific
wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend
its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to
create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and
fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the
instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though
he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took
some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while,
anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots
your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic
presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G.
H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count
as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough
Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the
non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically
showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.


Carter is responsible for none of the hostages Iran held being executed,
and Reagan is responsible for selling us out in Iran.



--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 3:56 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars
and who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about
the Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.

Is this how you tuck your tail between your legs and slink off to lick
your wounds?



--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 3:51 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

Why don't you go and bay your back taxes, then we will think about
entertaining any of your arguments about government activity. It is kind
of like if you don't vote shut your mouth and if you don't pay your
taxes shut your mouth.

Now You're talking

--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

On 12/14/2014 3:55 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 12/14/14 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/13/14 8:50 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 14:14:18 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 13 Dec 2014 13:22:42 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 12/13/14 12:59 PM, wrote:


I must say, your "reads" on history are amusing, including your
recitation of the plot of the movie "Tora, Tora, Tora," (one of my
favorites), and your assertion that all the wars of the 20th century in
which the U.S. was directly involved were somehow the fault of
presidents of the Democratic Party. Perhaps that sort of thinking is the
result of reading a book or two without the discipline imposed by formal
instruction, reading lists, and intensive discussion one might find in
decent, college-level, liberal arts courses, eh? :)

I recall a college-level class in German in which someone posited that
the reason Germany had been involved in so many horrific wars, including
WWII, had *only* to do with that nation's desire to extend its geography
to "protect" German nationals in other countries, and to create a buffer
for the homeland. Well, of course, that was hogwash, and fellow was
hooted in class for the day. I think it might have been the instructor
who said that, actually. He was a German ex-pat, and though he was far
too young to have been involved in WWII, he apparently took some of what
Hitler had "speechified" to heart.

In any event, I enjoy your dissertations...for a while, anyway. :)

You never pointed out anything I said that was not true.



Oh, really? Gosh. Well, then, let's post an example that shoots your
comment about U.S. wars in the 20th Century/Democratic presidents to
hell in a handbasket.

How about...the *first* Gulf War, kinda planned in the Reagan
misadministration and planned for real and executed in the G. H. W. Bush
administration.

How many Americans died in the first gulf war?

What? Are you now claiming that the first gulf war doesn't count as a
war stated under a Republican president because not enough Americans died?

It is the excuse you guys use when anyone wants to bring up Kosovo,
Haiti or Somalia.


Well, of course, because in everything important, Kosovo, Haiti, and
Somalia, and the first Gulf War are all equivalents in the non-critical
loonytarian mind.

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats. And
please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.


Carter is responsible for lots of the present wars! He basically showed we
would do nothing if we were attacked. A year of hostages in our embassy?
Ghengis Khan would have laid waste to Iran. Fact is he did it over his
ambassadors being killed back in the 1200's.


Carter is responsible for none of the hostages Iran held being executed,
and Reagan is responsible for selling us out in Iran.

But, he, Carter, is responsible for the hostages being held for 400+
days.

Carter is no longer the worst president in a hundred years.

--
Patriotic Americans dump on Krause.

Torturing SOB's
 

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 12/14/14 2:12 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 14 Dec 2014 09:59:56 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

You are the one trying to equate a 100 hour war in Kuwait with a 10
year war in Vietnam and a war in Korea that is still technically going
on. We are simply in a cease fire.



No I am not. I am simply pointing out the error of a previous comment of
yours, you know, the one in which you claimed that *all* our wars in the
previous century were initiated during the presidencies of Democrats.
And please don't tell me that Jimmy Carter was responsible for that war.

OK you win. If I take all of these little interventions into account
it is 14 to 4 and the 4 include Granada, Panama and the Mexican border
incursion to catch Poncho Villa along with the 100 hour gulf war.

In the D side you have WW1 that we really could have avoided, Vietnam
and Korea that were totally unnecessary WWII that was inevitable.
There were 10 other minor to major involvements from Kosovo and
Bosnia to misadventures like Somalia.


Whatever point you were trying to make as to connections between wars and
who is holding the white house was specious. I don't know much about the
Korean Conflict, but I do agree Vietnam was avoidable.


You seem to think who is holding the White House is not specious when it
comes to Bush.