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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released. Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his error. His findings: "The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the death, the medical examiner said." |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released. Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his error. His findings: "The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the death, the medical examiner said." The medical examiner could have watched the tape like I did. The hold was, in fact, released before the guy died. You're looking awfully hard there, Dep'ty. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/3/2014 2:54 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:05:32 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. === Dangerous stuff. I hope you had all of your shots first and took reasonable precautions while walking among the unwashed. Welcome back and hope you're feeling better. The unwashed? You walk among the heartless. Yeah, that's why with our limited resources we still work every day with two "kids at risk"... Cause we're selfish and heartless. Funny just got a call today from a kid we helped nearly 20 years ago. He told me, "remember that old ladder you gave me to start my painting business with? Still making money with that old thing every day". Most folks here would never know my wife and I been "paying it forward" for nearly a generation.... yeah, it hurts sometimes, and we been butt****ed too, but when it works, it's good..... |
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On 12/3/2014 3:04 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 3 Dec 2014 11:59:44 -0800 (PST), True North wrote: KC - show quoted text - " Not gonna' get tied up with semantics. Fact is being mocked and dismissed by folks you thought were being responsible participants and folks you generally look at as good honest folks, did bother me. Turns out it was for folly, so it doesn't matter now anyway. " Good Lord.........stop being such a drama queen. Didn't you just post a whole song to show what a drama queen you can be? Yes he did.... like a 12 year old girl. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/3/2014 3:46 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released. Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his error. His findings: "The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the death, the medical examiner said." The medical examiner could have watched the tape like I did. The hold was, in fact, released before the guy died. You're looking awfully hard there, Dep'ty. Sounds like you are looking much harder than I am. I simply read the medical examiner's autopsy report. |
Thank you.
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." |
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On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. |
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On 12/3/2014 2:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) Do you play devils advocate with her too? |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. |
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On 12/3/2014 4:14 PM, Let it snowe wrote:
On 12/3/2014 2:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) Do you play devils advocate with her too? One must do what one must do to survive. |
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On 12/3/2014 4:21 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Oh brother... |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:53:05 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:46 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:34:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:20 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. The banned hold was released before the guy died. He had enough air to say, "I can't breathe" quite a few times after the hold was released. Ah. Didn't know that. You should advise the medical examiner of his error. His findings: "The medical examiner ruled Garner's death a homicide, saying it was caused by neck compressions from a chokehold and "the compression of his chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police." Asthma, heart disease and obesity were contributing factors in the death, the medical examiner said." The medical examiner could have watched the tape like I did. The hold was, in fact, released before the guy died. You're looking awfully hard there, Dep'ty. Sounds like you are looking much harder than I am. I simply read the medical examiner's autopsy report. If you're going to 'correct' someone, get your ducks in a row. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Who branded you a 'raging liberal'? -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
Thank you.
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
Thank you.
Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? -- Sent from my iPhone 6+ |
Thank you.
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote:
But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. |
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On 3 Dec 2014 21:52:49 GMT, F*O*A*D wrote:
Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? Toad, go watch Luddite's video. You'll love it. You'll see what I mean about 'behavior' vs. 'availability of guns'. I noticed you didn't have a reply to that post. Wonder why? -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
Thank you.
On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy. |
Thank you.
On 12/3/2014 5:27 PM, Let it snowe wrote:
On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote: Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy. lol |
Thank you.
On 12/3/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? obstreperous! Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time. |
Thank you.
On 12/3/2014 5:29 PM, Let it snowe wrote:
On 12/3/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? obstreperous! Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time. harry had to think of something, "asshat" was already taken. :) |
Thank you.
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:29:36 -0500, Let it snowe
wrote: On 12/3/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? obstreperous! Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time. I'm sure it's complimentary as hell. Toad wouldn't say anything bad about me. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
Thank you.
On 12/3/14 5:31 PM, KC wrote:
On 12/3/2014 5:29 PM, Let it snowe wrote: On 12/3/2014 4:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? obstreperous! Now there's a word I haven't heard in a long time. harry had to think of something, "asshat" was already taken. :) Yup...you two are 7th graders. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
Thank you.
On 12/3/14 5:34 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
I'm sure it's complimentary as hell. Toad wouldn't say anything bad about me. -- I know your wife is a nice person. You are not. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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On 3 Dec 2014 21:52:49 GMT, F*O*A*D wrote:
Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:12:04 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:56 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:15:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 3:01 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 14:55:16 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) So, given that it was sport that drove you to your course, I think it's only fair that you come clean with your true thoughts about gun control and Feguson. You do not yet have clean hands, if that's something you care about. Ok. Gun laws? I remain as stated. I am in favor of background checks and gun registration for all transfers, FFL or private. Ferguson? Jury is still out in my mind. Too many conflicting stories. I can't get the contractor guy video and testimony out of my head. Now we have another controversial call: GH decision for no indictment in the Garner choke hold case. The video of it certainly is a compelling argument that one of the cops was using a banned hold, but I know very few details of this event. My understanding is the guy was stopped because he was selling unpackaged cigarettes or something. So, as far as I can tell, your views remain the same as when you were "walking on the other side" with Wayne's "unwashed." Pretty much. I just argued them more and harder. Still doesn't make me a "liberal" politically. What I find interesting (and a little disturbing) is it seems one must toe a party line in order not to be branded by one side or the other. I've been an Independent politically for many years and have voted both Republican and Democratic depending on who I think will do the best job. But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? He can't help himself. Consider it a projection of his own weakness. |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:27:36 -0500, Let it snowe
wrote: On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote: Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy. Which one of the idiots are you again? Among the constant name changers to avoid bozo bins? |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:23:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2014 4:14 PM, Let it snowe wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:55 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/3/2014 2:53 PM, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 09:01:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: It has been very interesting walking on the left side of the tracks for a while to observe reactions in the group. I wanted to see how expressions of unpopular views would be received and how quickly the crowd would turn on someone who displayed them. I tried to present them as alternate ways of looking at and interpreting issues and not trying to establish them as fact. In other words, viewing and interpreting issues through the eyes of others who don't necessarily reflect your own views. From gun control issues to the Ferguson event I was not disappointed. The crowd quickly turns. In some cases the derogatory insults begin that have nothing to do with the issue under discussion. Outright denial of references that offer opposing thoughts and interpretations in rebuttal. Granted, it was pretty much to be expected. The only true liberals who post here are Harry and JPS, IMO. BOA doesn't strike me as a die-hard liberal. Surprisingly, the only one who came close to giving consideration to a more "lefty" view was John H. and that was related to gun control issues. The rest pretty much stuck to the traditional, conservative mindset that immediately rejects anything considered as "liberal" thinking. Thank you all for your participation, Luddite I thought maybe your wife had managed to coax out the best in you. Sorry to hear it was a ruse. My wife is more to the "right" than I am. Makes for interesting discussions sometimes. :-) Do you play devils advocate with her too? One must do what one must do to survive. I think it's more like "people need something to do." |
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On 12/3/14 6:19 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:27:36 -0500, Let it snowe wrote: On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote: Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy. Which one of the idiots are you again? Among the constant name changers to avoid bozo bins? Unfortunately, the right-wing village here is full of idiots whose brains stopped developing in the 7th grade, and among them is Snowflake, who used to call himself FlaJim, among many other handles. He never got out of my bozo bin, even with his handle change. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0800, jps wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? === I defer to your greater righteousness. |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:27:36 -0500, Let it snowe wrote: - hide quoted text - On 12/3/2014 4:48 PM, Poco Loco wrote: Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. Speaking of drama queens. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) * * * (Thanks, Luddite!) JPS is still ****ed that Harry shot Stumpy. " Which one of the idiots are you again? *Among the constant name changers to avoid bozo bins? " My guess would be FlautentJim from Floriduh. |
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On 3 Dec 2014 21:52:49 GMT, F*O*A*D wrote:
Why are you such an obstreperous asshole? === You taught us well. |
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On 12/3/14 6:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? === I defer to your greater righteousness. Naw. *You* are the ranking and rank over-righteous asshole. Oh, I forgot...how much water does your *big boat* draw? :) -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 17:57:20 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/3/14 5:34 PM, Poco Loco wrote: I'm sure it's complimentary as hell. Toad wouldn't say anything bad about me. -- I know your wife is a nice person. You are not. Go respond to the post on gun availability. What's your response to Luddite's video about Milwaukee? -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:36:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/3/14 6:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? === I defer to your greater righteousness. Naw. *You* are the ranking and rank over-righteous asshole. Oh, I forgot...how much water does your *big boat* draw? :) Much more than yours, Toad. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/3/14 6:54 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:36:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 6:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? === I defer to your greater righteousness. Naw. *You* are the ranking and rank over-righteous asshole. Oh, I forgot...how much water does your *big boat* draw? :) Much more than yours, Toad. -- Oh, we can be sure of that. W'hine's draws two feet more water. You know the old saying...deep boat, shallow dick. -- I feel no need to explain my politics to stupid right-wingers. After all, I am *not* the Jackass Whisperer. |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:02:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/3/14 6:54 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:36:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 6:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? === I defer to your greater righteousness. Naw. *You* are the ranking and rank over-righteous asshole. Oh, I forgot...how much water does your *big boat* draw? :) Much more than yours, Toad. -- Oh, we can be sure of that. W'hine's draws two feet more water. You know the old saying...deep boat, shallow dick. Dick may be obstreperous, but shallow he's not. -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ....Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On 12/3/2014 7:11 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 19:02:01 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 6:54 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:36:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 12/3/14 6:30 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:17:35 -0800, jps wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 16:54:39 -0500, Wayne.B wrote: On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 13:21:08 -0800, jps wrote: But to some if I happen to favor background checks or if I happen to have some empathy for the social status of some minorities, I am automatically branded a raging liberal. Cracks me up. Doesn't take much. I'm only a bleeding heart tree hugger in rec.boats. You'll be branded a raging liberal for having an open mind. Unallowed. === I'm a bit of a tree hugger myself but I *do* have a sense of humor. You might be able to find one on sale this week. Yes, I'll check among my unwashed brethren to see if I can find one. Being an expert in humor, do you have time to use it between your lengthy bouts of righteous judgment? === I defer to your greater righteousness. Naw. *You* are the ranking and rank over-righteous asshole. Oh, I forgot...how much water does your *big boat* draw? :) Much more than yours, Toad. -- Oh, we can be sure of that. W'hine's draws two feet more water. You know the old saying...deep boat, shallow dick. Dick may be obstreperous, but shallow he's not. and I don't think he's kept in a basement by an embarrassed wife either like our friends harry krause :) -- "The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who's winning an argument with a liberal." ...Peter Brimelow (Author) (Thanks, Luddite!) |
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On Wed, 03 Dec 2014 18:36:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
Oh, I forgot...how much water does your *big boat* draw? :) === You should go down and check it out. I'll lend you a diving rig and weight belt. |
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