On 12/1/2014 12:32 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:21:14 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/1/14 11:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 10:37 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/1/14 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field
for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of
incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


You are exaggerating. How many police stops are made per year? How
many result in unarmed civilians being beat up, shot or killed?



There seems to be at least one a week that makes the news.



One or two (or even 10) media reports of police encounters that result
in physical violence doesn't sound unusual at all to me considering the
many millions of encounters that must occur in that time frame. The
cops are dealing with drunks, drug addicts, domestic violence and other
mentally disturbed people everyday. That's in addition to hard core
criminals caught in the act.

A cop has to size up a situation very quickly to protect himself and
others around him. At the first sign of belligerence or resist they get
physical very quickly to prevent the situation from getting out of
control. It's the ones that try to reason with the punks that end up
getting hurt or killed.



I just saw a vid in which a bunch of cops stopped a black teenager and
had him on the ground because someone called in a complaint he had his
hands in his pockets as he was leaving high school. It was cold and
snowing. Other teens gathered around and started shooting videos. The
cops backed off and let the kid go.

Cite?


snerk... right...

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:36:10 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/1/14 10:08 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:54:22 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.

Maybe the police unions should get more involved with policing bad
cops.


Maybe you should learn what the purpose of a labor union is.

Well, here you go:

To see how this is so, we can take a look at some recent police union
activities that have been in the news lately…

In Rockford Illinois, for example, a police union organized a
fundraiser event for two men accused of shooting an unarmed man to
death inside of a church daycare center, all within view of several
children and daycare workers… and one of the prizes the police were
raffling off was a police-issue rifle.

In Birmingham Alabama, police officers organized a “barbecue butts”
benefit in order to bankroll the defense fees for five people who were
caught on video kicking and beating an unconscious man who was just
ejected from a car during an accident. Coincidentally, the president
of that organization hosting the $30 a butt benefit was disciplined
for his role in association with that case.

In Chicago Illinois, police officers recently hosted a $50-a-ticket
fundraiser amid community protests in order to help to pay the defense
costs for an alleged drunk driver facing reckless homicide charges for
when he hit a parked car while drunk and caused an explosion that
killed two. The suspect had a record of DUI arrests and was
apprehended while trying to flee the scene of the accident with a BAC
3x the legal limit.

Now, it’s only fair to mention that the suspects discussed above are
police officers and the organizations which hosted or organized these
benefits are police unions… but should it matter? In cases of criminal
behavior, should there be a distinction between police officer and
suspect when the individual in question is one and the same?

Looks like the unions look after bad cops pretty well. Maybe they
should cease and desist that activity. Bad cops are definitely in
conflict with your desire that 'innocent' civilians not be persecuted.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:37:22 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/1/14 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


You are exaggerating. How many police stops are made per year? How
many result in unarmed civilians being beat up, shot or killed?



There seems to be at least one a week that makes the news.

You really need to watch that last video Luddite posted. (See, I'm
trying to cooperate with your 'denial'.)

On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.�

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.�


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


Harry,you should walk around with your arms in the air, at least until
Christmas, to show your solidarity with your 5 brothers in St. Louis.

On 12/1/2014 10:08 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:54:22 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.

Maybe the police unions should get more involved with policing bad
cops.

The unions PROTECT the bad cops. Is that the point you are trying to make?

On 12/1/2014 10:36 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/1/14 10:08 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 09:54:22 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.

Maybe the police unions should get more involved with policing bad
cops.


Maybe you should learn what the purpose of a labor union is.


Pray tell, Mr union spokesman.

On 12/1/2014 10:37 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/1/14 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.�

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.�


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


You are exaggerating. How many police stops are made per year? How
many result in unarmed civilians being beat up, shot or killed?



There seems to be at least one a week that makes the news.

You need to stop reading old news.

On 12/1/2014 11:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/1/14 11:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 10:37 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/1/14 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field
for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive
and
inflammatory.�

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny
Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of
the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.�


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of
incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


You are exaggerating. How many police stops are made per year? How
many result in unarmed civilians being beat up, shot or killed?



There seems to be at least one a week that makes the news.



One or two (or even 10) media reports of police encounters that result
in physical violence doesn't sound unusual at all to me considering the
many millions of encounters that must occur in that time frame. The
cops are dealing with drunks, drug addicts, domestic violence and other
mentally disturbed people everyday. That's in addition to hard core
criminals caught in the act.

A cop has to size up a situation very quickly to protect himself and
others around him. At the first sign of belligerence or resist they get
physical very quickly to prevent the situation from getting out of
control. It's the ones that try to reason with the punks that end up
getting hurt or killed.



I just saw a vid in which a bunch of cops stopped a black teenager and
had him on the ground because someone called in a complaint he had his
hands in his pockets as he was leaving high school. It was cold and
snowing. Other teens gathered around and started shooting videos. The
cops backed off and let the kid go.

I just saw a video of the Ferguson punk's mother declaring him a good
boy. She musta not seen the video of him shopping in the convenience
store just before he assaulted the cop. Yup, he was a good boy.

On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:30:36 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/1/14 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 10:37:22 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/1/14 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


You are exaggerating. How many police stops are made per year? How
many result in unarmed civilians being beat up, shot or killed?



There seems to be at least one a week that makes the news.

OK and there are about 50 million police contacts a week (Based on
over a million cops working 5 days a week and 10 contacts a day per
cop) .so a 0.0000002% rate is not really that bad. How many were
undeserved?



Most of those involving unarmed civilians. Oh, do you have a source for
your statistics? And how does the rate of police killings in this
country compare to the rates in, say, Canada, England, France, and
Germany? Not the total, the rate per thousand?

He obviously used your 'one a week' source. Did you have a cite for
that?

On 12/1/2014 12:32 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Mon, 01 Dec 2014 11:21:14 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 12/1/14 11:04 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 10:37 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 12/1/14 10:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/1/2014 9:54 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
Reacting to five members of the St. Louis Rams coming onto the field
for
Sunday’s game displaying the ‘hands up, don’t shoot’ gesture, a St.
Louis police officers fraternal organization is demanding the team
discipline the players, and that the team and league issue a formal
apology, reports KSDK.

In a statement released Sunday evening, the St. Louis Police Officers
Association condemned the display, calling it “tasteless, offensive and
inflammatory.”

Prior to player introductions before Sunday’s game, five players —
Stedman Bailey, Tavon Austin, Jared Cook, Chris Givens, and Kenny Britt
— came out onto the field first with their hands in the air prior to
being joined by their teammates.

Responding to the display, the statement reads, “The St. Louis Police
Officers Association is profoundly disappointed with the members of the
St. Louis Rams football team who chose to ignore the mountains of
evidence released from the St. Louis County Grand Jury this week and
engage in a display that police officers around the nation found
tasteless, offensive and inflammatory.”


* * * *

What is tasteless, offensive and inflammatory is the number of
incidents
in which police beat up, shoot, and kill unarmed civilians.


You are exaggerating. How many police stops are made per year? How
many result in unarmed civilians being beat up, shot or killed?



There seems to be at least one a week that makes the news.



One or two (or even 10) media reports of police encounters that result
in physical violence doesn't sound unusual at all to me considering the
many millions of encounters that must occur in that time frame. The
cops are dealing with drunks, drug addicts, domestic violence and other
mentally disturbed people everyday. That's in addition to hard core
criminals caught in the act.

A cop has to size up a situation very quickly to protect himself and
others around him. At the first sign of belligerence or resist they get
physical very quickly to prevent the situation from getting out of
control. It's the ones that try to reason with the punks that end up
getting hurt or killed.



I just saw a vid in which a bunch of cops stopped a black teenager and
had him on the ground because someone called in a complaint he had his
hands in his pockets as he was leaving high school. It was cold and
snowing. Other teens gathered around and started shooting videos. The
cops backed off and let the kid go.

Cite?

He's seen it. That should be good enough fer ya.