On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:06:22 -0500, wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.

Yeah, realized that a bit earlier. I've got one of the regulars. Just
have to mount it and use it.

Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.

Thanks.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

On 11/25/2014 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:28:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?


Obviously you adjust the laser to the sight on the gun, which should
by adjusted to the line of fire.
These "bullet" style are going to be far from a precision thing and
really just for short range training. It is like the "bore sight"
lasers. They just get you on the paper.



Yeah, that's sorta what I figured. You'd have to put the cartridge in
the chamber and then adjust the laser so there's little or no run-out
of the spot when you rotate the cartridge in the chamber.

That is, assuming the laser is adjustable. It looks like it is, but I
am not sure.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:23:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:53 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:28:49 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?


Obviously you adjust the laser to the sight on the gun, which should
by adjusted to the line of fire.
These "bullet" style are going to be far from a precision thing and
really just for short range training. It is like the "bore sight"
lasers. They just get you on the paper.



Yeah, that's sorta what I figured. You'd have to put the cartridge in
the chamber and then adjust the laser so there's little or no run-out
of the spot when you rotate the cartridge in the chamber.

That is, assuming the laser is adjustable. It looks like it is, but I
am not sure.


It is.

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a foot
at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun sight to the laser?

I old expect it aligned well with the cartridge. Especially if they mount
the emitter near the back and have a long small hole for exit.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:38:40 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 4:29 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.


Probably not as lucrative as a retired bankster running guns and drugs
in the Carib, though, right W'hine?

I'm surprised Luddite, who's been on an 'honesty' string lately,
hasn't called you on that bit of bull****.

On 11/25/2014 4:55 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:38:40 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 4:29 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:37:03 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:53:46 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.

I thought Toad could hold perfectly steady for five minutes or so. He
must be doing something really special if he can easily outshoot every
cop in Calvert County!

Thanks for the info.

===

If Toad could monetize bull**** he'd be a gazillionaire.


Probably not as lucrative as a retired bankster running guns and drugs
in the Carib, though, right W'hine?

I'm surprised Luddite, who's been on an 'honesty' string lately,
hasn't called you on that bit of bull****.


Harry is probably his main character, don't want to **** with the cash
cow....

On 11/25/2014 2:28 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/25/2014 2:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:59:50 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/25/14 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:32:33 -0500, Poco Loco
wrote:

My big interest would be to improve steadiness while shooting.
Seems like the laser light might be a good route.

===

The first thing to understand about steadiness is that no one else is
steady either. You have to work around it and try for brief moments
when you can squeeze off the round.



The laser gimmick will make you an accurate, steady shooter with...the
laser gimmick.

I see it more as a tool to improve your front sight shooting (point
and shoot), not any kind of slow fire training.
A regular laser sight will show you how steady you are holding the
gun.
Something like this will help with rapid target acquisition but there
is no training for follow up shots except actually shooting full power
ammo.



I'd still like to know how the laser is aligned. If it's off axis by a
tiny amount within the laser cartridge housing, it could be off by a
foot at 25 feet. Do you align the laser to the gun sight or the gun
sight to the laser?


If you take a 4 inch barrel and a known caliber, you should be able to
calculate how far off the laser could be and still be able to project
onto a target 25 feet away without being blocked by the barrel. I doubt
it could be off by a foot at 25 feet..