On 11/19/2014 2:58 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/19/14 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:56:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


Why, you could tell us how you hunted those dangerous squirrels and
bunnies

Tell us more about the deadly water bottles again you big brave man
you.



I don't pretend to be a great white hunter engaged in the non-sport of
shooting animals with a gun. Refilled one and two liter plastic bottles
at 50 and 100 yards are colorful targets. Just bought a steel "gong" to
take out to the range and hang on chains.

There's a slight chance we might be able to extend the range out from
100 to 200 yards, depending on interest and how many guys want to chip
in for the grading and planting. If it happens, it'll be done in the
spring.


Are you planning on upgrading the communal bed as well?

On 11/19/2014 3:33 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:52:17 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/19/2014 2:17 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 06:33:38 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree with all you said but switching power supplies have an
additional issue with ground fault detectors, due to their design and
how they function. Not so much with smaller battery chargers but
anything that draws significant current (like an RV or Boat
inverter/charger system) usually trips it. I've had problems with
three different RV's. Works fine on a non-GFI circuit.

I know of nothing in a switcher that should trip a GFCI and I have a
couple of PCs that run just fine on the GFCIs. Current may lag voltage
but Dr Kirchoff says the current in will equal the current out at any
given instant and that is what a GFCI compares.
AFCIs are different, they actually look at current "signatures" and
those spiky switching power supplies can trick one.
I bet your charger has regrounded the neutral, probably through an RF
filter. That is usually the culprit.
Wayne has the answer, A transformer. If the noise is not an issue to
you, disconnecting the filter is always an option or just couple it to
ground through a capacitor..



Low current devices like a PC usually are not a problem although
nuisance tripping has been reported. Higher current draw devices (like
an RV inverter/charger have more issues.

There's nothing wrong with the inverter/charger or the GFI. It's a
reflected component of the high frequency power supply induced into the
power source line that confuses the GFI. Not an issue unique to my
experience. You can find discussions on it elsewhere.

Wayne's transformer recommendation works just fine. I ended up having
to use a Hughes Autoformer for the RV's in Florida because the voltage
where we were often drooped significantly during parts of the day. I
measured as low as 105 vac at times. As an experiment, I tried using
the Autoformer back up in MA on the GFI circuit and everything worked fine.




You are not getting much isolation with an autotransformer. The
primary and secondary are tied together.
It still might solve the problem thought because the connection is on
one if the circuit conductors so the differential toroid in the GFCI
sees the current as being balanced
I still say if you are tripping a GFCI, it is because there is a
circuit from the line conductors and ground, usually a RF suppressor.
It will be designed to pass more if you have a higher current
switcher.
I know there is plenty of "discussion" and plenty of theories but the
guys who actually design them have the opinion I trust.



Isolation transformers are effective in quenching noise (and in some
cases arcs) that can be induced either in the supply side or by the item
being powered. Basically acts as a big choke.

Ever notice what's missing in high frequency switching power supplies?
Big, heavy, iron core transformers.

Switchers are great but they can be noisy.

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up. "


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:48:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up. "


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

You keep your house totally dark at night? Pitch black?

To me, that would be quite stupid.

On 11/19/14 5:10 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:48:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up."


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

You keep your house totally dark at night? Pitch black?

To me, that would be quite stupid.



Hmmm. Perhaps you and Flatulent Jim should have nightlights installed
inside your skulls so you're not totally in the dark.

--
Just because you are opposed to abortion doesn’t make you pro-life. Your
morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a
child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed, not a child
clothed, not a child able to see the doctor. That’s not pro-life…that’s
pro-birth.

John H.
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:48:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up. "


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

"You keep your house totally dark at night? Pitch black?

To me, that would be quite stupid. "


Is that so, Johnny?
Earlier this year I saw a report that concluded that troubled sleep from even minimal light sources could have major effects on the health of people.
They even recommended dark colored pillow slips and sheets, let alone eliminating night lights, lighted clock displays etc.
This might explain some of your problems...such as needing Valium before a somewhat simple dental procedures.

On 11/19/2014 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:58:00 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/19/14 2:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:56:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:


Why, you could tell us how you hunted those dangerous squirrels and
bunnies

Tell us more about the deadly water bottles again you big brave man
you.



I don't pretend to be a great white hunter engaged in the non-sport of
shooting animals with a gun. Refilled one and two liter plastic bottles
at 50 and 100 yards are colorful targets. Just bought a steel "gong" to
take out to the range and hang on chains.

I don't remember anyone here saying they hunted to prove any bravery.
It has been presented as a way to put food on the table.
The rest of that is just in your head.


There's a slight chance we might be able to extend the range out from
100 to 200 yards, depending on interest and how many guys want to chip
in for the grading and planting. If it happens, it'll be done in the
spring.

You are destroying more habitat. Way to go.

What does he care as long as he and his boyfriends have a place to
frolic and shoot guns.

On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:49:43 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

John H.
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On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:48:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up. "


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

"You keep your house totally dark at night? Pitch black?

To me, that would be quite stupid. "


Is that so, Johnny?
Earlier this year I saw a report that concluded that troubled sleep from even minimal light sources could have major effects on the health of people.
They even recommended dark colored pillow slips and sheets, let alone eliminating night lights, lighted clock displays etc.
This might explain some of your problems...such as needing Valium before a somewhat simple dental procedures.

Do you keep your house totally dark at night?

You kinda skipped over that question.

On 11/19/2014 5:10 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:48:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up."


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

You keep your house totally dark at night? Pitch black?

To me, that would be quite stupid.

His place looks better in the dark.

On 11/19/2014 6:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 14:49:43 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

John H.
- hide quoted text -
On Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:48:42 -0800 (PST), True North
wrote:

FlatulentOne farts....
"Call me old fashioned but I like my night lights right side up. "


SNERK!
What's the matter StinkyOne......afraid of the dark?

"You keep your house totally dark at night? Pitch black?

To me, that would be quite stupid. "


Is that so, Johnny?
Earlier this year I saw a report that concluded that troubled sleep from even minimal light sources could have major effects on the health of people.
They even recommended dark colored pillow slips and sheets, let alone eliminating night lights, lighted clock displays etc.
This might explain some of your problems...such as needing Valium before a somewhat simple dental procedures.

Do you keep your house totally dark at night?

You kinda skipped over that question.

Darkness hides his reality.