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On 11/7/14 12:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:48:43 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/7/14 11:43 AM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 02:34:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" Harry's account of the event said none of the above. I am really starting to believe the whole thing was made up Right, because it didn't incorporate what you would do...stand on the sidelines and watch a woman get slapped around. You 2A gun nutzis are...cowards. It is mostly the alleged injury. A wrist injury is more consistent with that guy knocking you down than you knocking him down. I still think the whole thing is made up. If it isn't, you did not do that woman any favors. You should have called the cops, even if you did confront the guy. You find me one battered woman organization that disagrees and I will apologize.. Without a police report the incident never happened. The abuse will continue. She was not in immediate danger. Slapping is not normally going to kill her. I would have called the cops first thing, and only physically intervened if her life depended on it. Right now, according to Harry's tale, he could be sued for any assets he still has. Was absolutely stupidly handled. Another usenet physician...d'oh. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:35:03 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/7/14 12:31 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:11:44 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: When's your next drug and gun-running trip to the Carib, Wayne? === Illegal activities seem to be your specialty Harry, not ours. When is the next meeting of your narcissism support group? https://www.google.com/#q=narcissism When is the next meeting of your assholes support group? And how many kilos of cocaine can you hide on that boat of yours? === Why don't you buy one of your own and find out? Oh sorry, I forgot that the government took everything of yours. |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:41:52 -0600, Califbill
wrote: Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:06:56 -0600, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:17:09 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 11/6/2014 5:54 PM, wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:13:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/6/2014 12:51 PM, wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:30:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I've shot (pun intended) my mouth off regarding my views on the need for reasonable gun control laws, basically supporting universal background checks, gun registration, a chain of custody record of ownership and standardization of the myriad state laws. I believe they should apply to both FFL dealer purchases and subsequent private sales. Many have expressed their disagreement. That's fine. Concerns about creating a bureaucratic monstrosity are valid but in this day and age of computers, data base capacities and virtually instant communications, it doesn't seem unreasonable or unobtainable to me. To those who recite 2A infringement issues and argue "slippery slope" concerns I remain unconvinced for the following reasons: Federal laws have been on the books (basically since 1934), the intent of which is to restrict certain types of firearms from being generally available to the public. The restrictions may be in the form of taxation to get around the authority of Congress but the result is still restrictions. Common sense laws exist that prohibit or restrict military type firearms and weapons as well. A Federal law requiring that dealers be licensed exists as does the requirement for a background check and registration for guns purchased from a dealer. In addition, individual states have their own laws. Some are much more restrictive than others. So, for those arguing the 2nd Amendment and their rights to bear arms not to be "infringed upon", I'd suggest they already are. They are infringed upon at varying degrees, depending on what state you live in. If those reasons are as valid as some claim, why isn't there an uproar about eliminating *all* restrictions, background checks and registrations? My argument is to establish reasonable laws that really don't "infringe" on anyone's rights anymore than they already are and to make those laws uniform throughout the country. I think the thing that was most telling was your CNN piece that simply proved that in spite of several laws on point, they had no problem finding people to break them. Do you really believe that those sellers who were willing to break a federal law to make their sale, would hesitate to break another law requiring "universal" background checks? They certainly could have checked IDs as required under current law and done a background check right there if they wanted to. I have not been to a gun show in decades that did not have an instant check booth right there. I can't imagine Florida is farther along on this than Tennessee or South Carolina. If so, it is time to drop the Floridah jokes. Just to clarify ... in the CNN thing they said that the sellers videoed were not dealers and the purchases were private sales. Background checks are not required and they said so. They *did* refer to a state law that required the seller to check ID to establish that the buyer was a resident of the state. In the examples they showed, the seller did *not* even ask for an ID, name or anything. That is CNN saying stuff that is less than totally true. It is also a federal law but you already admit they were willing to break the state law. Is state prison nicer than federal prison? A licensed dealer at a gun show or retail store *is* required to do the background check. That's a federal law. 18 U.S.C. 922 : US Code - Section 922: extends most state law into the unlawful acts of that section. I still say, let's try enforcing the laws we have before we pass any more. It is clear that CNN and the sellers they recorded were breaking at least one federal law and perhaps a few state laws. What would we do with all of those Congress critters if they can't write laws. They'd be useless. This particular law is actually GCA68 with dozens of amendments that consisted of "strike xxx and replace it with YYY" in the legislation so it is the most convoluted language you ever saw. It is accepted that somewhere in there they do prohibit an out of state BUYER from purchasing a firearm and that the SELLER is required to make some attempt to ensure the buyer is a resident but it is hard to find in the language They use words like "knows or has reasonable cause to believe" without specifying what someone has to do to "believe" it. I may just be missing it because my eyes start to glaze over and normally I like reading statutes. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922 Somebody with more time on their hands can take a peek. I am still trying to pick a health plan, I am building the last module of the entertainment center in the living room and we are still trying to get out on the boat almost every night. The weather is unbelievable here. 70s and clear blue sky all day. Weather is beautiful here, also. But broke boat on Saturday when I went out for the opener of Dungeness sport crab season. Commercial does not open until the 15th, so we get a head start. Very rough, 10'+ swells, close together. Lost one pot when I drove over it in the slop with the kicker. Did recover the buoy. Was one of my older pots, but $50 of line on it. Broke a thrust bearing in the jet drive and the shaft came forward and sliced up the stator vanes. So two new stators at about $275 each, and maybe a $400 impeller, and $250 in cutlass bearings, seals and thrust bearing. Bearing itself is at least a $100-140. Been at least 10 years since I changed one. So couple weeks to get all the stuff together, and get the impellers either replaced or welded and fixed. So at least a grand. Damn expensive crabs. Limit 10, got 7. So only $15 a crab. ;( I think you meant to say about $180 each, if the iimpeller's bad. Damn expensive crabs! Sorry to hear about the troubles. These impellers are large, stainless steel impellers. Impellers, because they are enclosed. Would be a propeller if not in a tube. Hell, fish and crabs are always expensive. When I duck hunted in the 1980's, Admin I had said it was probably for food. She was flustered when I stated I could have Duck al'orange at Maxims in Paris cheaper. Every striper I ever caught cost a lot more than a couple hundred bucks! I know what you mean. But if we ever move to where I can keep it at home, I'll buy another boat. |
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On 11/7/14 12:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:35:03 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/7/14 12:31 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:11:44 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: When's your next drug and gun-running trip to the Carib, Wayne? === Illegal activities seem to be your specialty Harry, not ours. When is the next meeting of your narcissism support group? https://www.google.com/#q=narcissism When is the next meeting of your assholes support group? And how many kilos of cocaine can you hide on that boat of yours? === Why don't you buy one of your own and find out? Oh sorry, I forgot that the government took everything of yours. That must be the recurring dream that gives you an illusionary woodie, W'hiney, now that your Viagra has stopped working. So, tell us...when you travel the Carib, how many kilos of cocaine to you carry for resale? -- Theres more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged. - Norman Mailer |
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On 11/7/14 12:59 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:41:52 -0600, Califbill wrote: Poco Loco wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:06:56 -0600, Califbill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 18:17:09 -0500, Harrold wrote: On 11/6/2014 5:54 PM, wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 13:13:25 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 11/6/2014 12:51 PM, wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:30:21 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: I've shot (pun intended) my mouth off regarding my views on the need for reasonable gun control laws, basically supporting universal background checks, gun registration, a chain of custody record of ownership and standardization of the myriad state laws. I believe they should apply to both FFL dealer purchases and subsequent private sales. Many have expressed their disagreement. That's fine. Concerns about creating a bureaucratic monstrosity are valid but in this day and age of computers, data base capacities and virtually instant communications, it doesn't seem unreasonable or unobtainable to me. To those who recite 2A infringement issues and argue "slippery slope" concerns I remain unconvinced for the following reasons: Federal laws have been on the books (basically since 1934), the intent of which is to restrict certain types of firearms from being generally available to the public. The restrictions may be in the form of taxation to get around the authority of Congress but the result is still restrictions. Common sense laws exist that prohibit or restrict military type firearms and weapons as well. A Federal law requiring that dealers be licensed exists as does the requirement for a background check and registration for guns purchased from a dealer. In addition, individual states have their own laws. Some are much more restrictive than others. So, for those arguing the 2nd Amendment and their rights to bear arms not to be "infringed upon", I'd suggest they already are. They are infringed upon at varying degrees, depending on what state you live in. If those reasons are as valid as some claim, why isn't there an uproar about eliminating *all* restrictions, background checks and registrations? My argument is to establish reasonable laws that really don't "infringe" on anyone's rights anymore than they already are and to make those laws uniform throughout the country. I think the thing that was most telling was your CNN piece that simply proved that in spite of several laws on point, they had no problem finding people to break them. Do you really believe that those sellers who were willing to break a federal law to make their sale, would hesitate to break another law requiring "universal" background checks? They certainly could have checked IDs as required under current law and done a background check right there if they wanted to. I have not been to a gun show in decades that did not have an instant check booth right there. I can't imagine Florida is farther along on this than Tennessee or South Carolina. If so, it is time to drop the Floridah jokes. Just to clarify ... in the CNN thing they said that the sellers videoed were not dealers and the purchases were private sales. Background checks are not required and they said so. They *did* refer to a state law that required the seller to check ID to establish that the buyer was a resident of the state. In the examples they showed, the seller did *not* even ask for an ID, name or anything. That is CNN saying stuff that is less than totally true. It is also a federal law but you already admit they were willing to break the state law. Is state prison nicer than federal prison? A licensed dealer at a gun show or retail store *is* required to do the background check. That's a federal law. 18 U.S.C. 922 : US Code - Section 922: extends most state law into the unlawful acts of that section. I still say, let's try enforcing the laws we have before we pass any more. It is clear that CNN and the sellers they recorded were breaking at least one federal law and perhaps a few state laws. What would we do with all of those Congress critters if they can't write laws. They'd be useless. This particular law is actually GCA68 with dozens of amendments that consisted of "strike xxx and replace it with YYY" in the legislation so it is the most convoluted language you ever saw. It is accepted that somewhere in there they do prohibit an out of state BUYER from purchasing a firearm and that the SELLER is required to make some attempt to ensure the buyer is a resident but it is hard to find in the language They use words like "knows or has reasonable cause to believe" without specifying what someone has to do to "believe" it. I may just be missing it because my eyes start to glaze over and normally I like reading statutes. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922 Somebody with more time on their hands can take a peek. I am still trying to pick a health plan, I am building the last module of the entertainment center in the living room and we are still trying to get out on the boat almost every night. The weather is unbelievable here. 70s and clear blue sky all day. Weather is beautiful here, also. But broke boat on Saturday when I went out for the opener of Dungeness sport crab season. Commercial does not open until the 15th, so we get a head start. Very rough, 10'+ swells, close together. Lost one pot when I drove over it in the slop with the kicker. Did recover the buoy. Was one of my older pots, but $50 of line on it. Broke a thrust bearing in the jet drive and the shaft came forward and sliced up the stator vanes. So two new stators at about $275 each, and maybe a $400 impeller, and $250 in cutlass bearings, seals and thrust bearing. Bearing itself is at least a $100-140. Been at least 10 years since I changed one. So couple weeks to get all the stuff together, and get the impellers either replaced or welded and fixed. So at least a grand. Damn expensive crabs. Limit 10, got 7. So only $15 a crab. ;( I think you meant to say about $180 each, if the iimpeller's bad. Damn expensive crabs! Sorry to hear about the troubles. These impellers are large, stainless steel impellers. Impellers, because they are enclosed. Would be a propeller if not in a tube. Hell, fish and crabs are always expensive. When I duck hunted in the 1980's, Admin I had said it was probably for food. She was flustered when I stated I could have Duck al'orange at Maxims in Paris cheaper. Every striper I ever caught cost a lot more than a couple hundred bucks! I know what you mean. But if we ever move to where I can keep it at home, I'll buy another boat. Herring's new waterfront lot, with onsite boat parking: http://tinyurl.com/k2vvx6x -- Theres more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged. - Norman Mailer |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:00:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:
So, tell us...when you travel the Carib, how many kilos of cocaine to you carry for resale? === Why the sudden interest in illegal drugs Harry? Are you buying or selling? |
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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:08:24 -0500, Wayne.B
wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:00:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: So, tell us...when you travel the Carib, how many kilos of cocaine to you carry for resale? === Why the sudden interest in illegal drugs Harry? Are you buying or selling? With Krause, it's more like snorting!!! |
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On 11/7/14 1:08 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 13:00:23 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: So, tell us...when you travel the Carib, how many kilos of cocaine to you carry for resale? === Why the sudden interest in illegal drugs Harry? Are you buying or selling? Sorry, no interest in your drug transportation biz. -- Theres more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged. - Norman Mailer |
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On 11/7/14 1:16 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 12:27:11 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/7/14 12:15 PM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:48:43 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote: On 11/7/14 11:43 AM, wrote: On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 02:34:41 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" Harry's account of the event said none of the above. I am really starting to believe the whole thing was made up Right, because it didn't incorporate what you would do...stand on the sidelines and watch a woman get slapped around. You 2A gun nutzis are...cowards. It is mostly the alleged injury. A wrist injury is more consistent with that guy knocking you down than you knocking him down. You're a funny guy; now you are playing orthopedic surgeon on the internet and you don't even have a college degree in basket weaving. At this point it seems to be more "lie detector" Why couldn't you just say you hurt your wrist without all of this Harry the wonder fist" bull****. I was even willing to go along for a while until it just got too ridiculous to believe. You still have not said why you didn't call the cops. I bet if someone was kicking a dog you would have. Is a woman and a child less worthy? It says a lot about you if it is true. And tell the cops what? That a woman who is no longer here and who I don't know was being slapped around by a guy who is no longer here and who I don't know? D'oh. -- Theres more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged. - Norman Mailer |
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