Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/14 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:26:40 -0600, Califbill
wrote:


Two of my cousins were cops. They hated domestic violence calls, as part
of the time the assaulted one, would turn on the cops. One of their
coworkers was killed responding to a domestic violence case. And these
days, people like Harry go to jail for assault, as the wife refuses to
testify. And may even be likely someone who likes to beat up the
girlfriend, is armed. Call the cops and start filming. Only intervene if
they are being killed. Maybe I am a wimp but I will be a live wimp and not
in jail.

The last cop killed around here was responding to a domestic.



Fortunately, women who are being physically abused don't have to rely on
2A gunnutzis with no spine.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

Harry's recent "incident"
 

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:36:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:18:43 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 3:01 PM, wrote:

I am sure the love birds had kissed and made up before Harry even saw
his first doctor.
Of all the things I might be tempted to intervene in, a domestic
dispute would be the last one and I certainly would not get in a fight
over it. I didn't always feel that way but after being neck deep in a
bunch of them, a lot of times involving the same couples, I am not
really that interested in kicking that tar baby.
I lived in a white trash and black folks apartment building (Dennis
Grove in PG county) for 4 years and I have seen plenty.



I can understand your feelings although you have absolutely no idea how
the couple (assuming they were a couple) resolved or didn't resolve the
issue in Harry's encounter.

We could settle that pretty quickly. What did the cops do when they
got there. If we had the location we could all look the call up
ourselves.

Thinking about it though, it might have been better if Harry had asked
the woman if she was in danger or needed assistance before addressing
the guy. Then again, I wasn't there and all you can do is speculate on
what the fluid situation was.


You are starting to think like me now.
From my experience, simply calling a guy like this out stops the
abuse.
If he does turn around and say "**** you old man, I'm going to kick
your ass too" you really have to wonder if getting into it with him is
the prudent thing to do. I would certainly want to pick up something
heavy.
Would you jump in on Ray Rice?

"Farewell and adieu to you spanish ladies"


Sheesh...it's Neville Chamberlain, all over again.

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.
--
Posted from my iPhone 6+.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:33:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 7:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:46:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.



Ahh, but I am not a heavily armed *pussy*, like most of you righties.

It is a brave man who uses language like that on the internet. I am
sure if I was looking you in the eye, you would be more humble.


Please. I've known some really tough guys. You ain't one of them.

He is really a bad ass on line isn't he?



You're the one who claimed your physical presence would "humble" me.
I'd probably just hand you $50 for a haircut and a shave.

I think the presence of any of the people you slander here would
humble you.

Snerk

--
Posted from my iPhone 6+.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 8:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:08:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 2:50 PM, wrote:

Yup. We've become a nation governed by political correctness and self
concerns. Let the ones being battered fend for themselves.


No leave it to the police. Being a vigilante is not legal or wise
these days. Ask Zimmerman.

Blame it on the lawyers.



Problem is the police are not always available at the moment of the assault.

If I came upon an altercation with two seemingly equal opponents I'd
likely mind my own business. But, as in the situation Harry came upon,
it involves a guy beating up on a woman and/or child, or someone beating
up on a defenseless elderly person, I'd would do my best to intervene.

How about a situation when someone is being assaulted and crying out
"Help"?

I would certainly take time to assess the situation unless it was a
situation where the "use of force:" was clearly present. (imminent
threat of grave bodily harm) If that is true, I would have the cops
coming before I did anything.
I am still going to be trying to talk this guy down, outside of
"swing" distance. If this guy keeps pounding on his wife/GF while I am
taking cell phone pictures and hollering at him to stop, I would feel
better about trying to hurt him.

If there was any question at all, Zimmerman cleared it up.
The use of force is a high hurdle to leap. You never know when you
jump in, where this is going to go.
I am too damned old to just trade blows with someone like I did when I
was young. I am going for a "stopper" and those can cause permanent
injuries or death. It is the intent.
When you watch your best friend go to prison for a fist fight gone
bad, you become a lot more cautious. I trained with him.
Harry is damned lucky the guy he knocked down, was not seriously hurt.
If he calls a lawyer, his sweety is just as likely to be saying Harry
was the aggressor as not, particularly if they have made up already.
Promises of a big payday can make a troubled relationship stronger.

Like I said, blame it on the lawyers.




Yup, it's all about what you can prove. I know a mx kid who caught a guy
stealing his mountain bike. He chased the thief down and really kicked
the guys ass.. lot's of tissue and blood all over his work boots, and he
posted a picture... I told the kid to take the pic right down cause
although he might not be able to prove the guy tried to steal his bike,
the guy could sure prove our friend kicked his ass good. All the guy has
to do is say "I was walking by and the guy came out and kicked my
ass"... and our bud would be ****ed...

Harry's recent "incident"
 

wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:33:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 7:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:46:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.



Ahh, but I am not a heavily armed *pussy*, like most of you righties.

It is a brave man who uses language like that on the internet. I am
sure if I was looking you in the eye, you would be more humble.


Please. I've known some really tough guys. You ain't one of them.

He is really a bad ass on line isn't he?



You're the one who claimed your physical presence would "humble" me.
I'd probably just hand you $50 for a haircut and a shave.

I think the presence of any of the people you slander here would
humble you.

He has gone bankrupt twice, so probably not subject to being sued. Just
jail for assault.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 4:26 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/6/14 2:50 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:44:44 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:27 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:39:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 10:48 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 06:53:33 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:19 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 12:33:53 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/5/14 11:57 AM, wrote:

That is what Zimmerman said


Gee, Greg, I used to think you were one of the few bright right wingers
in this sea of conservative stupidity, but now I am realizing you are
just as dimwitted as flajim, psychoscotty, herring, and a few others in
that crowd of intellectually disableds.

Are you really saying the only way you could deal with this was to get
in a fist fight?
How would you have dealt with it if this guy was not such an easy guy
to beat up?



I realize I don't have the frontline combat experience of you and some
of the other right-wingers here, so perhaps I should've waited for the
guy to really beat the crap out of that woman. I was not intending to
trade punches with the fellow. I simply walked over to where they were
and asked him to stop. He responded by taking a swing at me and he
missed. My reflexes took over and I hit him as hard as i could. End of
fight. I don't know whether he was easy to beat up or not... I landed a
Lucky punch.


My point and the same thing I said about Zimmerman is you should have
never got close enough to him to allow him to take a swing at you. It
is basic self defense 101. If you were going to try to talk this guy
down, you can do it from 10 feet away, 20 is better.
If your intent was to get in a fight from the beginning, then you
should just go hit the guy. In the end you are not on much firmer
ground is you just provoked the fight

Perhaps you would've stood your ground and shot him. You seem trigger-happy.

All I ever said about this is you could have been shot, other than to
point out that if your "lucky punch" turned out to be fatal, you have
as good a chance of going to jail as if you shot him.

I know a guy who did 7 years in Maryland for a "lucky punch" in what
most people would say was a more justifiable situation (attempting to
remove an unwelcome person from his home)

I hope you get better soon.



Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I know
how to use it."



I have been involved with these things more times than I like to think
about and I know a lot of cops. Women tend to stand by their man, no
matter what a weasel he is.

As for the self defense issue. I have taken the course several times
and they all emphasize, distance is your friend.
If you do not want to end up in a fist fight or a scramble on the
ground, keep some distance.
If you want to fight, just give them your best shot right away and be
prepared to face the consequences.
Just don't be surprised if the woman you "rescued" testifies against
you. She is still going to go home and sleep with the weasel about 90%
of the time. (just look at all of those football players and the women
they beat the **** out of)
This "Don Quixote" stuff is great in the movies but don't count on
Dulcinea taking your side when it is all over.


Yup. We've become a nation governed by political correctness and self
concerns. Let the ones being battered fend for themselves.


No leave it to the police. Being a vigilante is not legal or wise
these days. Ask Zimmerman.

Blame it on the lawyers.



Wow. A right wing libertarian who says leave it to the police. I can
envision you and your gun nutzi 2A buddies here standing on the sidewalk
with your hands in your pockets watching some thug beat up a woman or a child.

Brave men, all of you.




You seem to be the gun nutz here! Bragging about all the guns you buy and
sell, and build.


A gun nutzi is someone who puts the 2A ahead of common sense.


Nope!

It is called low self-esteem, that is why many of them go back.

Looks to me like Harry saw a damsel in distress and he went to her aid. I commend him for his actions. The what-ifs of this situation are many and domestic disputes are ones that we should be careful to involve ourselves in.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.
--
Posted from my iPhone 6+.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/6/2014 11:05 PM, wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Like I said before, his story is like Swiss cheese.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/2014 12:06 AM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 20:33:47 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 7:58 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 14:57:38 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 2:52 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:46:39 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/6/14 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.



Ahh, but I am not a heavily armed *pussy*, like most of you righties.

It is a brave man who uses language like that on the internet. I am
sure if I was looking you in the eye, you would be more humble.


Please. I've known some really tough guys. You ain't one of them.

He is really a bad ass on line isn't he?



You're the one who claimed your physical presence would "humble" me.
I'd probably just hand you $50 for a haircut and a shave.

I think the presence of any of the people you slander here would
humble you.

He has gone bankrupt twice, so probably not subject to being sued. Just
jail for assault.

No lawyer is likely to accept a civil case against him. But, if the guy
he beat up decides to press charges, he stands a pretty good chance of
doing jail time. He probably should lawyer up just in case.

http://www.divorcenet.com/states/maryland/mdfaq_04
I doubt Harry has ANYTHING in his name. I doubt anyone could recover
damages from him, except from maybe his SS or pension.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/2014 6:05 AM, F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.


Keep talking. this diatribe might just be used as evidence.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:05:26 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

I think the who story from Harry is bull****.

I believe that Harry fell down and broke his wrist to to break his fall.
He is just trying to cover his clumsiness.

Most people who break bones while hitting someone break bones in their
hands, below the wrist. When you break your wrist it is usually done
while attempting to break your fall.

That's what I said a couple of days ago. A fall down the basement stairs with a limp wrist.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:05:12 -0500, wrote:

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

And that's assuming any of the story is true.

I think I'd like to hear more about his dad's trip across the Atlantic
in a row boat with the fireboat welcome in NY.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 05:21:07 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:05:26 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

I think the who story from Harry is bull****.

I believe that Harry fell down and broke his wrist to to break his fall.
He is just trying to cover his clumsiness.

Most people who break bones while hitting someone break bones in their
hands, below the wrist. When you break your wrist it is usually done
while attempting to break your fall.

That's what I said a couple of days ago. A fall down the basement stairs with a limp wrist.

....or a limp wristed shot with his latest 28mm pistol.

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/up...er-314x400.jpg

Scratch the face hair and strong jawline and that might be ol' pudge
face himself!

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/2014 8:21 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:05:12 -0500, wrote:

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

And that's assuming any of the story is true.

I think I'd like to hear more about his dad's trip across the Atlantic
in a row boat with the fireboat welcome in NY.


All of Harries tales have one thing in common. They're like Swiss
cheese. ;-)

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 08:30:44 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 11/7/2014 8:21 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:05:12 -0500, wrote:

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

And that's assuming any of the story is true.

I think I'd like to hear more about his dad's trip across the Atlantic
in a row boat with the fireboat welcome in NY.


All of Harries tales have one thing in common. They're like Swiss
cheese. ;-)

The longer it's aged, the bigger the holes.

Just wait 'til he repeats this story next year.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/2014 8:05 AM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

I think the who story from Harry is bull****.

I believe that Harry fell down and broke his wrist to to break his fall.
He is just trying to cover his clumsiness.

Most people who break bones while hitting someone break bones in their
hands, below the wrist. When you break your wrist it is usually done
while attempting to break your fall.


Exactly, the bones in the hand are gonna' go first... I think harry
actually successfully drove one of his last two supporters from the
group over this one. Just don't understand why folks run with his bs so
far...

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/14 11:47 AM, wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 11:05:54 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Coming to the aid of this woman would have been to call the cops.
You accomplished nothing

I am really starting to believe you fell in the shower or just limp
wristed tout .45 LC


Really? I stopped a guy who was slapping around a woman. That's
something. You would have pee'd down your pants leg, or maybe your long
scraggly beard and hairdo would have scared him off.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:50:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/7/14 11:47 AM, wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 11:05:54 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Coming to the aid of this woman would have been to call the cops.
You accomplished nothing

I am really starting to believe you fell in the shower or just limp
wristed tout .45 LC


Really? I stopped a guy who was slapping around a woman. That's
something. You would have pee'd down your pants leg, or maybe your long
scraggly beard and hairdo would have scared him off.

Seriously now, all joking aside...how did that experience compare with
shooting the owls down by the creek in your back yard or the trips
around Cape Horn?

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/14 12:18 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:50:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/7/14 11:47 AM, wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 11:05:54 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Coming to the aid of this woman would have been to call the cops.
You accomplished nothing

I am really starting to believe you fell in the shower or just limp
wristed tout .45 LC


Really? I stopped a guy who was slapping around a woman. That's
something. You would have pee'd down your pants leg, or maybe your long
scraggly beard and hairdo would have scared him off.

Bull****.
It is really starting to sound like you never did any of this.


Awww...the heavily armed right wing patrol of pussies is...upset. Next,
you boys will be exchanging secret emails so you get all your juvenile
assaults coordinated.


--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/14 12:19 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:50:52 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 11/7/14 11:47 AM, wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 11:05:54 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Coming to the aid of this woman would have been to call the cops.
You accomplished nothing

I am really starting to believe you fell in the shower or just limp
wristed tout .45 LC


Really? I stopped a guy who was slapping around a woman. That's
something. You would have pee'd down your pants leg, or maybe your long
scraggly beard and hairdo would have scared him off.

Seriously now, all joking aside...how did that experience compare with
shooting the owls down by the creek in your back yard or the trips
around Cape Horn?


Do the world and your relatives a favor, JohnnyMop...go have a gun
accident.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
Norman Mailer

Harry's recent "incident"
 

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 05:21:07 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:05:26 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

I think the who story from Harry is bull****.

I believe that Harry fell down and broke his wrist to to break his fall.
He is just trying to cover his clumsiness.

Most people who break bones while hitting someone break bones in their
hands, below the wrist. When you break your wrist it is usually done
while attempting to break your fall.

That's what I said a couple of days ago. A fall down the basement
stairs with a limp wrist.

...or a limp wristed shot with his latest 28mm pistol.

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/up...er-314x400.jpg

Scratch the face hair and strong jawline and that might be ol' pudge
face himself!

What handgun is that?

Harry's recent "incident"
 

F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Nazi brought up. Harry is losing.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On 11/7/14 12:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Nazi brought up. Harry is losing.

If the foo ****s...
Go back to sleep, Bilious. Your little brain needs rest.

--
“There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the
economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.� -
Norman Mailer

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:41:50 -0600, Califbill
wrote:

Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 7 Nov 2014 05:21:07 -0800 (PST), wrote:

On Friday, November 7, 2014 8:05:26 AM UTC-5, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

I think the who story from Harry is bull****.

I believe that Harry fell down and broke his wrist to to break his fall.
He is just trying to cover his clumsiness.

Most people who break bones while hitting someone break bones in their
hands, below the wrist. When you break your wrist it is usually done
while attempting to break your fall.

That's what I said a couple of days ago. A fall down the basement
stairs with a limp wrist.

...or a limp wristed shot with his latest 28mm pistol.

http://www.toptenz.net/wp-content/up...er-314x400.jpg

Scratch the face hair and strong jawline and that might be ol' pudge
face himself!

What handgun is that?

The last one in this list:
http://www.toptenz.net/top-10-huge-p...l-firearms.php

1. Pfeifer Zeliska 28mm Revolver

The biggest, most worthless manifestation of an inferiority complex
ever created by one man. Originally manufactured under the name
“Remington Model 1859,” this copy of the formerly U.S.-made revolver
was built by Ryszard Tobys and measures 4-foot-(1.26 m) long. To give
some basis for comparison, the 28mm projectile is 8mm wider than the
U.S. military’s fabled “20mm Cannon,” a weapon used primarily for
destroying tanks, sinking boats, or shooting down heavily armored
airplanes. While entirely impractical and, one would guess, impossible
to use as an even mildly effective tool for any purpose other than
felling trees, the 28mm revolver has made its mark as truly being the
world’s largest pistol. And simultaneously the world’s most comical
waste of lead.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 11/7/14 12:41 PM, Califbill wrote:
F.O.A.D. wrote:
wrote:
On 7 Nov 2014 02:42:11 GMT, F.O.A.D. wrote:

wrote:

Why don't you give us enough information to find the police report and
we can all decide.
Extra credit if your name is in it as a witness.

Don't read for comprehension? The woman didn't want to call the police. She
left with her kid. The guy left. I left. I am not aware of a report being
filed. See my first post in this thread.

OK so you saw a crime that justified the use of force but it was not
worth reporting.
Something is not right here.
Spousal abuse is a crime against the state. These women would never
get any help if it wasn't.. All you did was assure she gets a little
extra slapping around when they get home.

Wow. A lecture on civic duty from a gun nutzi too much of a pussy to come
to the aid of a damsel in distress.

Nazi brought up. Harry is losing.

If the foo ****s...
Go back to sleep, Bilious. Your little brain needs rest.


Better slow down your drug consumption.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 7:15:41 PM UTC-8, Wayne. B wrote:
Harry recently described an incident where he ended up being injured
in the course of protecting someone else from violence. Momentarily
suspending any possible disbelief in the facts as stated, a number of
troubling questions are raised in my mind.

Could the situation have been better handled without resorting to
physical violence? Let's assume that Harry was armed with a legal
concealed carry hand gun. Could he have legally pulled the gun and
ordered the alleged perpatrator to cease and desist? In the Florida
concealed carry course that I attended we were taught to never pull
your weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you could possibly
be charged with brandishing and threatening. You are also
specifically taught to never fire a warning shot, and to never try and
effect an arrest. A person who fired a warning shot in Florida is
still in jail for that crime even though he had been threatened and
had no priors.

Another possible strategy is to order the person to stop, relying on
your physical presence and force of personality to carry the day.
Harry apparently tried to do that and was assaulted in return. What
to do next? Assault them back and risk escalation and/or injury?
Invoke self defense and shoot? Both are problematic.

So what's a person to do in Harry's situation? Tough call I think.
For discussion purposes let's leave personalities and political
leanings out of this. And yes, I know that will be difficult.

Krause boasts of his cell phone use. He should have taken a video of this supposed *incident* to be used against the perpetrator as evidence on a court of law, thus invoking a justice more worthy than a mere punch in the jaw.

However, here he proceeds to construct an uncanny tale of valour to proves his heroism and chivalry.

Actually, he needed not to bring the subject to mind. We all know he is inflicted with a limp-wrist anyway.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 9:20:34 AM UTC-8, Wayne. B wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:39:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Your depth of knowledge is beyond amazing Greg. Now you are an expert
on the proper manner in which to come to the aid of a woman and child
being physically abused by a guy.

"Excuse me sir, (from 20 feet away) not to interrupt, but would you mind
refraining from slapping them around? I have an iPhone here and I know
how to use it."

===

Whistle Time out, unnecessary roughness, 15 yard penalty and loss
of down.

All kidding aside I think there are some interesting and valid
discussion points here that should be encouraged, not discouraged.

No need to emulate Harry just because he got his wrist out of joint.

Good call. But shall we not limit ourselves to discussing only his wrist?

Krause has been out of joint, or shall we say 'Out of THE joint" for years.

Harry's recent "incident"
 

On Thursday, November 6, 2014 3:13:55 PM UTC-5, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 11/6/2014 2:55 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 12:49:08 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 11/6/2014 12:34 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2014 11:53:59 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

Not being a military trained combat warrior like Greg, Herring, FlaGrim,
et al, I'm not afraid to play my hand.

This is not military combat it is urban warfare and I have had more
than my share of getting in the middle of wife/girlfriend spats with
their abusive partner. It is usually an unrewarding encounter because
they seldom change anything. I have been in physical encounters but
simply talking it out works out better for everyone involved.


As I have long suspected, they
are heavily armed...pussies.

You seem to be more heavily armed than anyone else here.




Greg, no offense, but you seem to think you are the only person on the
planet who has any experience with violence, police, lawyers, lawsuits
or domestic spats.


I have had more than my share of experience but I am older and wiser
now. I am also not so insecure that I can't admit it.

Why is the idea of NOT starting a fist fight being seen as wrong here?
You keep saying we are not in the 1800s but you support vigilantes.



The discussion was about the action Harry took when coming upon a guy
physically abusing a woman and a child.

For the 5th or 6th time ... according to Harry's account he did *not*
start a fist fight. He approached the guy and asked him to stop. The
guy took a swing at Harry. Harry swung back.

I don't call that "starting" a fist fight.

But you are harrys new toy........