On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.

On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.

On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.


Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we
really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks
don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a
manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids
are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some
of our plastic bottle hunters here....

On 10/28/14 2:56 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law
here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook
county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about
transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or
even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in
plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be
stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and
unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun
with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it
can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach
...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying
lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.


Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we
really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks
don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a
manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids
are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some
of our plastic bottle hunters here....


You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

What are you, about 50? Unless you fall over and die from one of your
several diseases, you've probably got 20 years of unemployment ahead of
you. Sucks.

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On 10/28/2014 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and
performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third
world children.


snerk

On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and
performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third
world children.


Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm
going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found,
produces the biggest "explosions."

I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s.

They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left
behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go"
tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in
those Cheney Saturday Night Specials.

And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15.
It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok
but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount
of pull.

For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job
right out of the Grapes of Wrath.




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Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and
performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third
world children.


Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm
going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found,
produces the biggest "explosions."

I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s.

They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left
behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go"
tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in
those Cheney Saturday Night Specials.

And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15.
It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok
but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount
of pull.

For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job
right out of the Grapes of Wrath.

It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running
than a new in the box AR.
The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not
enhance your argument.




I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where
regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even
significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference
in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are
identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed.

I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles.
They don't interest me.


--
A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST:

Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean
Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding
Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT
Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote.

On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to
turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and
keeping a decent job.

I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and
performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third
world children.


Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm
going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found,
produces the biggest "explosions."

I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s.

They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left
behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go"
tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in
those Cheney Saturday Night Specials.

And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15.
It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok
but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount
of pull.

For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job
right out of the Grapes of Wrath.

It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running
than a new in the box AR.
The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not
enhance your argument.




I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where
regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even
significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference
in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are
identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed.

I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles.
They don't interest me.

Non responsive answer ... again.


Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What
skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a
stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain
my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the
various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a
billet lower or hammer a barrel.

As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs.

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economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” -
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:56:29 -0400, KC wrote:

On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote:

Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded.


Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange
since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some
of the more "progressive" thinking.

As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A,
unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with
you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be
on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ...
BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I
have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of
cash when I had the guitar shop.

MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required
transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws.

Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A
license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable
container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed.

There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to
keep something powerful quite handy.



I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit
really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I
am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small
kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover.

If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or
unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned.


No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover.
There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be
'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids.


Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we
really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks
don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a
manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids
are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some
of our plastic bottle hunters here....

I expect Tim has enough experience with firearms to know what he's
doing. I also expect he doesn't get a lot of kids visiting his shop.
And besides, he said nothing about it being loaded.