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On 10/28/14 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. He is paranoid. The local police in his area thought enough about his threats to pay him a home visit and to follow up with me. He's a diminutive, loud-mouthed, short-tempered right-wing jerk with nothing to lose, and he talks a lot about perpetrating violence. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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On 10/28/14 11:52 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 11:21 PM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? Apparently me :) I do indeed keep a weather eye out for you, little ****. You're an ill-tempered failure with nothing to lose, and you threaten violence. You've made threats against several posters here over the years. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/28/2014 11:52 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 11:21 PM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? Apparently me :) Maybe. He was scared enough to call the cops on you. |
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On 10/29/2014 7:24 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 11:52 PM, KC wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:21 PM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? Apparently me :) I do indeed keep a weather eye out for you, little ****. You're an ill-tempered failure with nothing to lose, and you threaten violence. You've made threats against several posters here over the years. Can't you tell the difference between idle threats and the real deal? |
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On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'śil oil painting. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. Those 3rd world people are turning out nice parts on old machining equipment. Do not need the latest CNC stuff. |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it would sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the Constitution to pass such a law in a city, county, or state? |
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On 10/29/14 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'œil oil painting. Paint by number? Of course not. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/2014 1:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'śil oil painting. Why not. There's certainly a lot more talent of all sorts here than you possess. |
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On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it would sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the Constitution to pass such a law in a city, county, or state? Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not me. $13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable gun registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does. We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations current. We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and valid. All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun safety and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment and refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense. What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's the going rate for a full hookup at a campsite? Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy. |
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On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'Ĺ“il oil painting. Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol. Paint by number? |
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On 10/29/14 4:54 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'œil oil painting. Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol. No, you ignorant ass. Took art history classes (two) in college. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/28/2014 7:06 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant racist. I'm curious, is he racist because of something he said in this post, or are you are you just calling people racist again. Mikek --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com |
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On 10/29/14 5:34 PM, amdx wrote:
On 10/28/2014 7:06 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant racist. I'm curious, is he racist because of something he said in this post, or are you are you just calling people racist again. Mikek Some years before your arrival here, Herring worked as a substitute babysitter teacher frequently made racist comments about his minority students and their families, he's made anti-ethnic remarks about Latinos, and over the years, he's made all manner of racist remarks about blacks. I call him a racist because he is one. Curiosity satisfied? -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:21:29 -0400, Harrold wrote:
Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? === That's easy, he's afraid of the past. Did you ever see the episode of the Sopranos where Tony is in a small town in Maine and runs into a mob informer who is now in the witness protection program? It's not pretty. I don't think Harry is in the WPP but there are still things that can go bump in the night, even if you've lived an otherwise exemplary life like he has. |
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On 10/29/14 5:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:21:29 -0400, Harrold wrote: Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? === That's easy, he's afraid of the past. Did you ever see the episode of the Sopranos where Tony is in a small town in Maine and runs into a mob informer who is now in the witness protection program? It's not pretty. I don't think Harry is in the WPP but there are still things that can go bump in the night, even if you've lived an otherwise exemplary life like he has. Still got that alarm system on your dock, W'hine? How about the one on your house for when you are out of town? -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:57:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 5:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:21:29 -0400, Harrold wrote: Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? === That's easy, he's afraid of the past. Did you ever see the episode of the Sopranos where Tony is in a small town in Maine and runs into a mob informer who is now in the witness protection program? It's not pretty. I don't think Harry is in the WPP but there are still things that can go bump in the night, even if you've lived an otherwise exemplary life like he has. Still got that alarm system on your dock, W'hine? How about the one on your house for when you are out of town? === Maybe you should watch that episode of the Sopranos if you missed it. It might make you a little "tight" under the collar. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:44:35 -0400, Harrold wrote:
Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? Apparently me :) I do indeed keep a weather eye out for you, little ****. You're an ill-tempered failure with nothing to lose, and you threaten violence. You've made threats against several posters here over the years. Can't you tell the difference between idle threats and the real deal? === The real deal is what he's really worried about. It's out there. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:46:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 5:34 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/28/2014 7:06 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant racist. I'm curious, is he racist because of something he said in this post, or are you are you just calling people racist again. Mikek Some years before your arrival here, Herring worked as a substitute babysitter teacher frequently made racist comments about his minority students and their families, he's made anti-ethnic remarks about Latinos, and over the years, he's made all manner of racist remarks about blacks. I call him a racist because he is one. Curiosity satisfied? === What if the remarks he made about his students were true? Would he still be a racist? Under the law you can not libel someone with a true statement. |
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On 10/29/14 6:16 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:57:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 5:55 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:21:29 -0400, Harrold wrote: Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? === That's easy, he's afraid of the past. Did you ever see the episode of the Sopranos where Tony is in a small town in Maine and runs into a mob informer who is now in the witness protection program? It's not pretty. I don't think Harry is in the WPP but there are still things that can go bump in the night, even if you've lived an otherwise exemplary life like he has. Still got that alarm system on your dock, W'hine? How about the one on your house for when you are out of town? === Maybe you should watch that episode of the Sopranos if you missed it. It might make you a little "tight" under the collar. Oh, I've known a few of the "real deal" guys over the years. Nice fellows, and far less crooked than your banksters. I knew Jimmy Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times. So, you still have that alarm system on your dock, W'hine? -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/14 6:18 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:44:35 -0400, Harrold wrote: Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? Apparently me :) I do indeed keep a weather eye out for you, little ****. You're an ill-tempered failure with nothing to lose, and you threaten violence. You've made threats against several posters here over the years. Can't you tell the difference between idle threats and the real deal? === The real deal is what he's really worried about. It's out there. You planning to come up here and rake my leaves? -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/14 6:21 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:46:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 5:34 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/28/2014 7:06 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant racist. I'm curious, is he racist because of something he said in this post, or are you are you just calling people racist again. Mikek Some years before your arrival here, Herring worked as a substitute babysitter teacher frequently made racist comments about his minority students and their families, he's made anti-ethnic remarks about Latinos, and over the years, he's made all manner of racist remarks about blacks. I call him a racist because he is one. Curiosity satisfied? === What if the remarks he made about his students were true? Would he still be a racist? Under the law you can not libel someone with a true statement. Herring is a racist. But if you want to dance on the head of a pin about it, you go right ahead. Makes no difference to me. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/2014 6:21 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 17:46:21 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 5:34 PM, amdx wrote: On 10/28/2014 7:06 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Not at all. The conclusion is that you are an ill-informed, ignorant racist. I'm curious, is he racist because of something he said in this post, or are you are you just calling people racist again. Mikek Some years before your arrival here, Herring worked as a substitute babysitter teacher frequently made racist comments about his minority students and their families, he's made anti-ethnic remarks about Latinos, and over the years, he's made all manner of racist remarks about blacks. No he didn't, but you have been a consistent liar here for over a decade... Fact is, he never made any such remarks, you are just a piece of ****.. I call him a racist because he is one. Curiosity satisfied? === What if the remarks he made about his students were true? Would he still be a racist? Under the law you can not libel someone with a true statement. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/29/14 4:54 PM, KC wrote: On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'Ĺ“il oil painting. Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol. No, you ignorant ass. Took art history classes (two) in college. Or a drafting class. |
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"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it would sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the Constitution to pass such a law in a city, county, or state? Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not me. $13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable gun registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does. We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations current. We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and valid. All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun safety and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment and refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense. What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's the going rate for a full hookup at a campsite? Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy. Cars are not a constitutionally protected item. $$ every couple years to keep your guns? More like a poll tax to vote. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'Ĺ“il oil painting. Paint by number? He can not. Math challenged. Basic math. |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:25:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
I knew Jimmy Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times. === With friends like that you really don't need any enemies. I had a neighbor at one time who was a self proclaimed union hotshot with "connections". He disappeared one day - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. |
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On 10/29/14 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 4:54 PM, KC wrote: On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'œil oil painting. Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol. No, you ignorant ass. Took art history classes (two) in college. Or a drafting class. Took mechanical drawing in junior high school. In those days, the public schools had $$$ for interesting electives. Took "art" in two grades, chorus in 9th grade. What did your junior high do for "culture," Bilious, hand out comic books? -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it would sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the Constitution to pass such a law in a city, county, or state? Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not me. $13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable gun registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does. We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations current. We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and valid. All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun safety and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment and refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense. What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's the going rate for a full hookup at a campsite? Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy. Cars are not a constitutionally protected item. $$ every couple years to keep your guns? More like a poll tax to vote. True, but I see the whole thing differently. There is much concern and controversy surrounding firearm ownership now-a-days, some with good reason. Some anti-gun people and groups advocate the ban on them altogether and continue to challenge the "meaning" of the 2nd Amendment. We don't live in the 17 or 18 hundreds. Trying to defend gun rights on the nuance and interpretation of the 2A wording may backfire someday with a more liberal Supreme Court. If that happens ... gun owners are screwed. Rather than dig in our heels and reject every attempt to put reasonable controls on gun ownership, why not try to understand the reasoning of others and be willing to compromise without giving away your rights? If you notice, the lack of compromise and willingness to respect other views/concerns on issues is at the core of a totally dysfunctional government. It's not how rational, mature people resolve an issue. |
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On 10/29/14 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:25:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I knew Jimmy Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times. === With friends like that you really don't need any enemies. I had a neighbor at one time who was a self proclaimed union hotshot with "connections". He disappeared one day - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Oh, I've worked with much tougher guys than those gents. My junior high school girlfriend's father was a caporegime in the family headed by Frank Costello, and her family took me one Christmas holiday to Miami-Ft. Lauderdale, where we spent a week "comped" at a hotel owned (controlled?) by Costello. Great girl, great family. -- “There’s more idleness and abuse of government favors among the economically privileged than among the ranks of the disadvantaged.” - Norman Mailer |
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On 10/29/2014 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:25:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I knew Jimmy Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times. === With friends like that you really don't need any enemies. I had a neighbor at one time who was a self proclaimed union hotshot with "connections". He disappeared one day - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. Harry misses the good ol days when his dining experiences were regularly interrupted bu bullets buzzing by his ears. |
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On 10/29/2014 7:45 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:25:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I knew Jimmy Hoffa -distantly- in Detroit when the Teamsters were aligned with my UAW client, I knew Roy Williams pretty well from my reporter days and his union days in Kansas City, and I did some work for the Teamsters when Jackie Presser ran the show. Jackie had a habit of calling me early Sunday mornings...it was a bit of a startle the first few times. === With friends like that you really don't need any enemies. I had a neighbor at one time who was a self proclaimed union hotshot with "connections". He disappeared one day - couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. We had two dirty business agents who screwed the Union. One slapped the girl he was dating around, her father was a big "Italian" guy from Windsor Locks, and a week or so later the girl got her fiance to go down parking by the river where he apparently held his hand outside of the car, shot himself in the forehead and the bullet ended up in the passenger seat, the pistol in his lap.. :) Suicide it was ruled.. The next guy came home one night and found his home burned, family dead.... not fun guys... |
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On 10/29/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 1:01 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:50 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 12:17 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 11:35:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/29/14 11:25 AM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:36:30 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 11:02 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:42:34 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:52 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 15:08:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. I think he is referring to your "hobby" of killing water bottles and performing mundane tasks on firearms, routinely performed by third world children. Ahh, yes, I do enjoy shooting one and two liter sodapop bottles, and I'm going to start putting Mentos in some of them. Ginger ale, I've found, produces the biggest "explosions." I doubt "third world children" are working on new in the box Colt AR15s. They might have some well-used ones that Dick Cheney's corporation left behind somewhere, though. I wonder if those kids have "Go" and "No Go" tools in their little kits when they need to replace the barrels in those Cheney Saturday Night Specials. And since you are interested, I might upgrade the trigger in my AR15. It's a "milspec" trigger with a "milspec" 6-1/2 pound pull, and is ok but not great. I'd like a smoother trigger with maybe half that amount of pull. For a moment there, I thought the Ingerfool family found a good job right out of the Grapes of Wrath. :) It takes a lot more skill to keep those old M16s (and AKs) running than a new in the box AR. The fact that you have access to lots of off the shelf parts does not enhance your argument. I have no use or need for a select fire M16, though I don't see where regular maintenance on it would be any more difficult or even significantly different than on my AR15. There's very little difference in stripping them down and keeping them running. Most of the parts are identical. The key is keeping the rifle clean and lubed. I don't know anything about the care and maintenance of the AK rifles. They don't interest me. Non responsive answer ... again. Your posit was that it took more skill to keep an old M16 running. What skills would it take beyond my ability to produce a working AR15 from a stripped lower and upper? I have the skills I need to build and maintain my AR rifles. I know where all the pieces and parts go, including the various springs and detents. I have no desire or need to manufacture a billet lower or hammer a barrel. As I stated, I don't know anything about AKs. A 3d world child is keeping an old M16 running with limited access to parts if any and it is usually a worn out Vietnam era M16A1 that we gave away during one of our "save the world from communism" misadventures. That is far more difficult than simply dropping new parts in a new lower. and acting like you are a master gunsmith. Really. What parts are these Third World kids machining? Springs? Detents? Levers? Are they carving parts out of hickory logs? Or are they simply scavenging parts out of one old rifle and tossing them into another old rifle. Exactly. I made no claim of being a master gunsmith. I'm no more of a master gunsmith than you are a master auto mechanic, public health expert, or environmental engineer, or an expert in any of the other 100 areas in which you've claimed mastery. You only seem to hang your hat on that one skill, assembling erector set guns.. I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'Ĺ“il oil painting. Paint by number? He can not. Math challenged. Basic math. He's just saying that to make us think he actually went to college.. |
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On 10/29/2014 7:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it would sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the Constitution to pass such a law in a city, county, or state? Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not me. $13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable gun registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does. We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations current. We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and valid. All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun safety and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment and refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense. What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's the going rate for a full hookup at a campsite? Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy. Cars are not a constitutionally protected item. $$ every couple years to keep your guns? More like a poll tax to vote. True, but I see the whole thing differently. There is much concern and controversy surrounding firearm ownership now-a-days, some with good reason. Some anti-gun people and groups advocate the ban on them altogether and continue to challenge the "meaning" of the 2nd Amendment. We don't live in the 17 or 18 hundreds. Trying to defend gun rights on the nuance and interpretation of the 2A wording may backfire someday with a more liberal Supreme Court. If that happens ... gun owners are screwed. Rather than dig in our heels and reject every attempt to put reasonable controls on gun ownership, why not try to understand the reasoning of others and be willing to compromise without giving away your rights? If you notice, the lack of compromise and willingness to respect other views/concerns on issues is at the core of a totally dysfunctional government. It's not how rational, mature people resolve an issue. Because for liberals, "compromise" is just a stepping stone to an end... |
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On 10/29/2014 8:28 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:54:46 -0400, KC wrote: On 10/29/2014 2:30 PM, wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:36:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I don't see rec.boats as a place where I would want to discuss or show my expertise with Trompe-l'Ĺ“il oil painting. Oh brother.... learned a new word on the internets I see... lol. Paint by number? It is just a pretentious way of saying you have a degree of perspective in your picture. It is usually taught in the introduction to art class. In it's most simple sense, you create a vanishing point somewhere near the center of the picture with lines to the edges of the frame and use that to scale object sizes as you move forward toward the viewer. Once you get the concept, you know objects far away are smaller than objects up close and you adjust shapes to reflect it still using those imaginary lines. The more off center your vanishing point is, the more oblique the view is that you are representing. My father was an artist in his spare time, mostly working in charcoal. I learned these concepts in grade school. I just never really found the love for the process. My mom was an artist and painted with Oil for years... harry doesn't paint, all he does is lie on the internet... lol! |
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On 10/29/2014 8:25 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/29/2014 7:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/29/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote: "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/29/2014 2:21 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:44:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. I expect not. You wouldn't have a problem with $1300/gun, but it would sure be an infringement on the right of many, including me, to own a firearm, wouldn't it? Would it require a change in the Constitution to pass such a law in a city, county, or state? Who said I wouldn't have a problem at $1,300 per gun? You did. Not me. $13 bucks every three years to cover the cost of having reasonable gun registration and controls doesn't seem crazy to me. $1,300 does. We pay $50 (per vehicle) every two years to keep car registrations current. We pay $100 every six years to keep our gun permits current and valid. All we are talking about are *reasonable* controls to address gun safety and ownership concerns in the 21st Century. Citing the 2nd Amendment and refusing to consider any laws or rules that make the rest of the population feel more comfortable doesn't make sense. What's the going rate for 18 holes of golf? $25-$30 bucks? What's the going rate for a full hookup at a campsite? Seems you are willing to pay for what you enjoy. Cars are not a constitutionally protected item. $$ every couple years to keep your guns? More like a poll tax to vote. True, but I see the whole thing differently. There is much concern and controversy surrounding firearm ownership now-a-days, some with good reason. Some anti-gun people and groups advocate the ban on them altogether and continue to challenge the "meaning" of the 2nd Amendment. We don't live in the 17 or 18 hundreds. Trying to defend gun rights on the nuance and interpretation of the 2A wording may backfire someday with a more liberal Supreme Court. If that happens ... gun owners are screwed. Rather than dig in our heels and reject every attempt to put reasonable controls on gun ownership, why not try to understand the reasoning of others and be willing to compromise without giving away your rights? If you notice, the lack of compromise and willingness to respect other views/concerns on issues is at the core of a totally dysfunctional government. It's not how rational, mature people resolve an issue. Because for liberals, "compromise" is just a stepping stone to an end... I didn't expect anything otherwise from you, but that's ok. Some people will never have any empathy for others. It's all about them and what *they* think. |
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