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On 10/28/2014 11:06 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 10:26 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 9:40 AM, KC wrote: On 10/28/2014 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Today, I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06 right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in the world. The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the World. But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom for murders. These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. And all 4 are controlled by Democrats in City Hall. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people fat. True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL! Surprised harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him.. I googled "Dana conservative" and up she came at the top of the list, but when I googled Harry Krause all I got was directions to a pay toilet. Well, I was just trolling really. Did pretty good, got two big ones :) You didn't "get" anyone ... not that it matters. Your admiration of the Tea Party is duly noted. |
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On 10/28/14 11:39 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 11:04 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! Why unloaded? Do you sleep walk? Not usually, and I don't need Ambien! :) I don't feel a need to keep a loaded handgun by the bed. You can't really break into this house quietly...outside lights go off at night, there's an alarm system, there are videocams ... Even a runty full-patch motorcycle gang wannabe from Connecticut with delusions of toughness couldn't sneak through. :) There's plenty of time for me to grab the revolver and speedloader and mate them up. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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Richard, that's true about tough illinois gun laws That is IF one takes into consideration and including Chicago gun law. The rest of the state isn't so strict, yes you must have an active FOID card, and register your guns, but trigger locks arnt mandatory nor is keeping them locked in a safe and storing ammunition separately isn't an issue either.
Interesting that down state illinois has very little gun crime. Cook county (Chicago) and St. Claire county (east St. Louis) are exceptions though. And that seems to be mostly gang related. |
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On 10/28/2014 11:11 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 11:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:42 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:17 AM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. I wouldn't leave a firearm out where it is easy to steal, or where a passing neighborhood kid might grab it for a prank. Obviously, you wouldn't, either. No I wouldn't even if the laws governing their storage didn't exist. I probably would if I lived in the wild west in 1840 but it doesn't make any sense today. Massachusetts maintains records on who owns what ... at least those purchased since 1998. Having a firearm stolen without taking the lawful precautions regarding storage and/or failure to immediately report the firearm as lost or stolen can make you share liability for any crime that may be committed with it. It also makes tracking easier for law enforcement. For example, a restraining order against a gun owner can result in the owner having to lose custody of his/her firearms. There is no federal law that requires the reporting of a lost or stolen firearm but several states have such laws. They include: Mandatory Loss/Theft Reporting Connecticut Delaware District of Columbia Illinois Maryland (handguns and assault weapons only) Massachusetts Michigan (thefts only) New Jersey New York Ohio Rhode Island I wasn't aware of that law, but I did assume if a firearm were stolen, you'd report that to the local police. Part of the reasoning behind the mandatory Loss/Theft reporting is that if a crime was committed with the firearm or the owner was ordered by a court to turn his/her firearms over due to something like a restraining order, the owner just declared it had been stolen or lost. It makes sense to me. Car insurance is another thing. Most states require proof of having at least liability insurance on your cars. I remember living in Illinois back in the early 70's. Illinois didn't have a mandatory insurance requirement and many people tried to save money by not carrying insurance. The Navy didn't buy it though. You had to have proof of insurance in order to be issued a base sticker and drive your vehicle on any military installation. I always get a "paper trail" when I sell a firearm. I'm more than happy to pay an FFL $20 for the transaction. MA allows self documentation of a sale on-line, using a printable, state electronic form. Both seller's and buyer's gun license numbers are required along with serial number. It's up to the seller to confirm that the buyer is licensed appropriately. Recent state legislation attempted to get rid of reporting transfers on-line and included a requirement to use a FFL instead. I believe the legislation was defeated. |
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On 10/28/2014 11:48 AM, Tim wrote:
Richard, that's true about tough illinois gun laws That is IF one takes into consideration and including Chicago gun law. The rest of the state isn't so strict, yes you must have an active FOID card, and register your guns, but trigger locks arnt mandatory nor is keeping them locked in a safe and storing ammunition separately isn't an issue either. Interesting that down state illinois has very little gun crime. Cook county (Chicago) and St. Claire county (east St. Louis) are exceptions though. And that seems to be mostly gang related. So, your state gun laws differ and are less restrictive than local Chicago laws or ordinances? Interesting. |
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On 10/28/2014 11:21 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 11:06 AM, KC wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:26 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 9:40 AM, KC wrote: On 10/28/2014 7:58 AM, Poco Loco wrote: Today, I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06 right in my doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone and went about my business. While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of our house. After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn't moved itself outside. It certainly hadn't killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so. In fact, it hadn't even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people. Either the media is wrong or I'm in possession of the laziest gun in the world. The United States is 3rd in murders throughout the World. But if you take out Chicago, Detroit, Washington, DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the bottom for murders. These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States. And all 4 are controlled by Democrats in City Hall. It would be absurd to draw any conclusions from this data - right? Well, I'm off to check on my spoons. I hear they're making people fat. True or not, I like it... Does anybody here watch Dana? LOL! Surprised harry hasn't been all over her, smoldering hot conservative with a brain... Scariest thing in the world to a guy like him.. I googled "Dana conservative" and up she came at the top of the list, but when I googled Harry Krause all I got was directions to a pay toilet. Well, I was just trolling really. Did pretty good, got two big ones :) Please...if someone bought a jar of honey for you and you sat outside and poured it over your head, you couldn't troll for flies. You did get a bite from FlaJim, of course, but he's just another 7th grader, like you. I guess your girlish nibbles don't count. Eh Krowsie? |
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Yes Richard t seems that way, contrary to some belief, in this manner , Cook county doesn't control the rest of the state. Illinois is mainly rural farm land which isn't affected by Cook county gun ordinances...thankfully.
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I thought I'd ad that I live about 250 mi south of Chicago and approx 100 mi due east of St. Louis. Just 50 miles from the indiana border.
I'm in a small farming community. No wild hogs here but a lot of white tail deer. To hunt deer there are a lot of restrictions that are highly enforced , but not hard to comply with. |
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On 10/28/14 12:19 PM, Tim wrote:
I thought I'd ad that I live about 250 mi south of Chicago and approx 100 mi due east of St. Louis. Just 50 miles from the indiana border. I'm in a small farming community. No wild hogs here but a lot of white tail deer. To hunt deer there are a lot of restrictions that are highly enforced , but not hard to comply with. You just never know when a wild, marauding herd of deer will force their way into your workshop and... :) -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote: Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded. Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some of the more "progressive" thinking. As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A, unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ... BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of cash when I had the guitar shop. MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws. Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed. There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to keep something powerful quite handy. I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover. If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned. No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover. There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be 'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids. |
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Harry, it's illegal to hunt deer with a rifle in Illinois. Shotgun, black powder or bow. Though not mine, some counties have a pistol season. Ironically you can use any slug gun you want except for a .410. The reason being because a .410 is grandfathered in as a rifle caliber.
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On 10/28/14 1:03 PM, Tim wrote:
Harry, it's illegal to hunt deer with a rifle in Illinois. Shotgun, black powder or bow. Though not mine, some counties have a pistol season. Ironically you can use any slug gun you want except for a .410. The reason being because a .410 is grandfathered in as a rifle caliber. I was kidding, Tim. I wouldn't shoot a deer under any circumstances, even the ones here that chomp on my wife's garden beds. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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Oh I know you were kidding, Harry. But I took the opertunity to explain the hunting laws around here.
One reason deer hunting is popular in this area is because the deer are so thick many end up going through someone's windshield . A good amount of the deer meat that is brought in for processing is donated to food pantries. But the processing is paid for by the hunter. One processor claims about 70% is donated to food pantries and labeled "not for sale" or " donated" |
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On 10/28/14 2:25 PM, Tim wrote:
Oh I know you were kidding, Harry. But I took the opertunity to explain the hunting laws around here. One reason deer hunting is popular in this area is because the deer are so thick many end up going through someone's windshield . A good amount of the deer meat that is brought in for processing is donated to food pantries. But the processing is paid for by the hunter. One processor claims about 70% is donated to food pantries and labeled "not for sale" or " donated" We have a lot of roadkilled critters, too. :( -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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Tim wrote:
John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... About 50 years ago, a buddy bought a 303 enfield. Problem in those days, was finding ammo. |
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On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote: Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded. Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some of the more "progressive" thinking. As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A, unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ... BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of cash when I had the guitar shop. MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws. Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed. There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to keep something powerful quite handy. I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover. If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned. No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover. There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be 'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids. Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some of our plastic bottle hunters here.... |
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On 10/28/14 2:56 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote: Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded. Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some of the more "progressive" thinking. As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A, unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ... BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of cash when I had the guitar shop. MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws. Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed. There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to keep something powerful quite handy. I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover. If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned. No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover. There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be 'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids. Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some of our plastic bottle hunters here.... You send your kids out to collect plastic bottles by the roadside to turn in for deposit? I suppose that is easier on you than finding and keeping a decent job. What are you, about 50? Unless you fall over and die from one of your several diseases, you've probably got 20 years of unemployment ahead of you. Sucks. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 10:51 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote: Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded. Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some of the more "progressive" thinking. As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A, unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ... BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of cash when I had the guitar shop. MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws. Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed. Does a soft case on which you can padlock the zippers closed count as a lockable container for a rifle? In California it does. Same for a pistol. |
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On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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On 10/28/2014 2:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida A state where men are men, you can stand your ground, and there will be water shortages. No need to visit then. Florida doesn't want your wife's money. |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:56:29 -0400, KC wrote:
On 10/28/2014 1:03 PM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 11:37:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 11:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:24 AM, Tim wrote: Richard, that's a good question. Actually there's nothing in law here in illinois about trigger locks. My sure about Cook county(Chicago) though. The only thing there is here is about transporting a firearm. They must be unloaded, in a case, bag, or even wrapped, and either locked in the trunk or if up front, be in plain visible sight. Nothing under the seat etc. pistols can be stored in a glove box but still must be secured in a case and unloaded. Tim, are you sure about the lock requirement? It would be strange since Illinois has some other laws governing firearms that follow some of the more "progressive" thinking. As for transporting, MA laws state that if you hold a Class A, unrestricted concealed carry license, you can have a loaded handgun with you in your car as long as it is "under your control". Means it can be on your person or in a glove compartment or other area within reach ... BUT ... it has to be out of sight (concealed). That's the license I have but I very rarely carry anymore. I did when I was carrying lots of cash when I had the guitar shop. MA also issues (or did) a "Class B" license as well that required transporting in a similar manner to your Illinois transport laws. Transporting long guns is different however, even with the Class A license. They must be transported unloaded and either in a lockable container or have a trigger or chamber lock installed. There are probably zillions of wild hogs where Tim lives. He needs to keep something powerful quite handy. I don't know where Tim lives. Laws establish a general rule butit really comes down to common sense and being responsible. In my case, I am not home all day and often my wife will have visitors with small kids. I don't want a gun laying around for them to discover. If I lived in some remote place with no neighbors, visitors or unexpected people visiting, I might be less concerned. No, I would not want a gun 'laying around' for a kid to discover. There are several places in a typical home where a gun can be 'available' to the owner but be inaccessible to kids. Dick is right. Not knowing where Tim lives (ie the neighborhood) we really can't say. I mean, there are still places out there where folks don't lock their doors because the adults and kids are brought up in a manner where it's not a problem, could be that in Tims area, most kids are more familiar with gun handling and care than the children of some of our plastic bottle hunters here.... I expect Tim has enough experience with firearms to know what he's doing. I also expect he doesn't get a lot of kids visiting his shop. And besides, he said nothing about it being loaded. |
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On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. |
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On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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On 10/28/2014 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. He's already been shot at three times. I'm surprised he doesn't wear a bullet proof vest 24/7. Can't be too careful nowadays. |
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On 10/28/2014 5:57 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:37:09 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 10/28/2014 2:48 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:23:01 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: $35 every three years doesn't sound onerous to me. We pay $100 for six years up here. Free if 70 or over. Per gun? Eeek! You will love Florida LOL ... no The $100 is for the license or renewal every 6 years. You can own as many guns as you want. The registration process allows the state to monitor how many you buy and sell though and they might investigate if they suspect you are an unlicensed dealer. I didn't take John's $35 (for three years) as being a fee per gun. It's just for the fingerprinting. As I said, you missed the fee per gun part. What was it, $13 bucks or something? I don't have a problem with that. |
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On 10/28/14 6:42 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/28/2014 5:44 PM, wrote: On Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:41:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: To suggest that any President can effectively negate any part of the Constitution or Bill of Rights is ludicrous. \ JFK/LBJ/RFK had no problem negating the 4th amendment, Lincoln ignored habeas corpus and FDR stomped all over about half of the bill of rights in various things he did. (Interning the japs, illegal surveillance, secrecy acts, military tribunals for civilians etc) Of course they can. As the article states ... the Supreme Court told Harry Truman that executive orders can apply to *enforcing* laws but not *making* laws. "Habeas Corpus" is not in the Bill of Rights. It *is* referred to in the Constitution however (Article 1 Section 9). But if you read the Article, it specifically says that "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, *unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it*. Lincoln (and Congress) determined it was required in the Civil War. FDR's actions in WWII was also a temporary suspension of Habeas Corpus and for the same technical reasons. It's unlikely any President would get away with it now-a-days however. The last I knew the 4th Amendment was alive and well. If those affected by the actions of JFK/LBJ/RFK had filed suit, they would have won.. or should have. I am not sure as to the specifics of what you refer to. Greg is relying on his "Libertarian" readings. -- A vote for any Republican is a vote AGAINST: Social Security, Medicare, Minimum Wage, Fair Pay, Food Stamps, Clean Air and Water, Modest Gun Regulations, Public Schools, Rebuilding Infrastructure and Good Jobs, Women's Rights, Veterans’ Rights, LGBT Rights, and, of course, Your Right to Vote. |
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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think you need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. |
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On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? |
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On 10/28/2014 11:21 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/28/2014 11:00 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 5:45 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 3:32 PM, Califbill wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 10/28/14 10:55 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:29 AM, Harrold wrote: On 10/28/2014 10:09 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 10/28/2014 8:59 AM, Tim wrote: John. For years I've had a British .303 right by my shop door. People ask why I have a gun there, And my standard reply is" becaus the U.S. Constitution says I can" ... Are you required to have a trigger lock or other locking device that disables it? We do in Massachusetts. By law, all firearms must be stored in a safe or have trigger or chamber locks installed. Ammo is supposed to be stored elsewhere ... meaning not in the vicinity of the firearm. My shotgun and Ruger 10/22 have locks on them. The handguns are loaded but kept in a safe. Best keep your safe open, lest you need quick access to your hand cannons ;-) I keep them all in the safe during the day (unless I am carrying one which is rare). At night I keep one of them within easy reach from my bed. I think I told the story of hunting down "Fudge" recently in the middle of the night. Goofy dog got out of the garage and was exploring the house at 2am. Sounded for sure that someone was moving around from room to room. These days, I keep an unloaded .357 revolver close by at night, with a 5Star Speedloader with six rounds of Hornady Defense Ammo nearby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBO6Dm_PNJM .357 MAG ammo is... *loud* ! You must live in a crappy neighborhood. I'm sure the .357 MAG rounds would be just as noisy in your neighborhood. Oh, you think I live in a dangerous neighborhood. I suspect the violent crime rate in this part of our county is lower than it is in your 'hood. Said nothing about the sound. You must live in a crappy hood, to think need a firearm handy at night. We have little violent crime in my hood. Mostly white collar criminal. You just never know when a little **** with a big mouth from Connecticut (or his full-patch motorcycle gang buddy) will jump on a kid's motorbike, drive down here, and bust his way through the door. If that happens, I want to be ready and able to greet him properly. Paranoid. Alarms, booby traps, security lighting, security cameras, guns behind the double deadbolted steel doors. Nah, he's not paranoid. All that's missing is a moat and a gun turret on the roof. What is Krausie so afraid of? Apparently me :) |
An unloaded gun is nothing more than a paperweight. No children only adults in my home. My 9 mm and .357 are kept loaded and ready if needed. My shotgun, SKS and Mosin Nagant are kept unloaded. They are pretty much overkill in a home defense situation inside. Outside a different story.
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