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On 10/31/2014 7:31 AM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
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"****. Now I am afraid to drive to Duncan Donuts. :-)

I understand where you are coming from but I guess I just don't see a
big threat to my freedom and rights. I am 65 and have never experienced
any form of this kind of harassment. Maybe I live a boring life. "


Same here. I can barely remember the last time I was stopped for speeding....maybe 35 years ago.
Every couple of years I might get caught in one of those roadside stops to check safety stickers but am always thanked and waved right on.
Maybe the cops can sense the attitude of drivers.


I just checked. I don't have any safety stickers. Am I in danger?

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On 10/31/2014 7:33 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:31:25 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 7:01 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:57:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 6:41 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:50:05 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Well, I'm glad you're satisfied with the laws in your state. I'm glad
I can legally buy and own a Kimber .45!


Different issue.


Not entirely. What happens when the suddenly decide to make a gun you
own, illegal?
Then they decide the fair market price is the melt weight of the steel
or some other ridiculous price and they want you to turn it in for
that "just compensation" (assuming they even honor the 5th amendment).
You registered it, they know you have it.



Making previously legal guns "illegal" has been done before and in
several states. But they don't confiscate them. They grandfather them.
If you owned 'em before they became illegal, you can keep them.

The rest of your post is pure conjecture.

Fifty years ago many of the MA laws would have been 'pure conjecture'
along with most of the recently passed MD laws.



Maybe. But at some point in our human evolution we should say it's time
to start doing something about this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

I wonder which of the laws in either MA or MD would have prevented the
school attacks.

All of that looks like any given month in Chicago, which has some of
the most restrictive laws in the country.

Why don't the cops use those laws to confiscate guns from criminals?

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On 10/31/2014 9:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:41:10 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 7:49 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:32:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 20:45:08 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 8:22 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:48:03 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Of course, there are the hard core gun nuts who jump to the claim that
registration automatically means confiscation someday. I don't think we
will ever see that happen.

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Based on the way things seem to be going, I don't think you can rule
it out. Rights are eroded one small step at a time. I don't
consider myself to be a hard core gun nut but do try to read the tea
leaves and check which way the wind is blowing.



I guess I've been reading different tea leaves.

If there has ever been a period for advocates of gun bans and/or repeal
of the 2A to be successful it was in the recent 18 month period that
involved something like 74 separate mass school shootings.

Can you cite one of those shootings that would have been stopped with
a stronger background check or gun registration? They had no problem
tracking every one of these guns back to a legal buyer, usually the
parent or the shooter himself.


They couldn't even get a universal background check approved.

Why bother to pass an unenforceable law, at least not against the
people you are trying to keep the gun away from.




That's not the point Greg. We were discussing the possibilities or
probabilities of guns being banned or revoking the 2A. My point was
that if there was ever a reason for those who would advocate a ban it
would have been the recent 74 mass school shootings. It wasn't enough
to even get universal background checks supported. That's why I don't
think you'll ever see a general ban of firearms in our lifetime or of
the next two or three generations.

No. We're talking about ways the 2A can be circumvented by smart,
tricky liberal politicians.


Which can happen under any circumstances. It is already and is likely
to continue.

That's the problem.

So, instead of giving them the argument that no discussion, negotiation
or compromise is possible with gun-owners, take that political
ammunition away by being willing to work with them and be willing to
accept non-invasion rules on your "rights" like background checks and
registration.

I've no problem with background checks.

If you seriously think the liberals are going to take your guns away,
don't register your presently owned firearms.

OK, I won't.

What it does it takes away some of the "right-wing crazies" rhetoric and
gives them a pseudo political victory that really doesn't mean anything
or affect your right to bear arms.


I've not seen a whole lot of fighting over background checks.



Are you serious? You apparently have a short memory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html

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On 10/31/2014 9:06 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/31/2014 4:10 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/30/2014 11:01 PM, KC wrote:

On 10/30/2014 9:05 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

First, there is no question as to which "Dana" you were referring to.
IIRC you referenced the interview with her that happened to be on
FoxNews. It was the only way I found out who she was.



Did you really, or are you getting more and more like harry cause the
Dana you trashed doesn't work for Fox news and I have never seen her
there so I don't see how you really could have... oh, forget it... Dana
Perino is on Fox news... so.....redux.


Since you've never seen her on FoxNews I thought maybe you would like to
have this link. Yes, it's Dana Loesch of the "Dana Show" that you
referenced along with your idol, Shawn Hannity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD-MfBKJfnE


You asked last night where Harry was. I bet he was in Orlando to attend
the fund raiser for Rick Scott. Dana, Shaun, and Herman were all there.
How could Harry resist rubbing elbows with the three of them?


Dana might have something to rub. Not sure about the others, but YMMV. :-)

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On 10/31/2014 8:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:25:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:52:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

BTW I am not really sure that is true. I think we may have the Nancy
Reagan syndrome working here. When a pollster asks if people have a
gun, they just say no.

I will not divulge gun ownership for any survey. Why let myself be put
on someone's list? Hell, Harry's database is enough.



You don't have to divulge anything. You've broadcasted every gun you
own and what future guns you might buy all over the Internet.



Harry keeps a dossier on everyone's guns including yours. Maybe he can
trade that information for the scope he can't afford to buy.

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 03:57:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/30/2014 10:50 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 22:32:51 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

We were discussing the possibilities or
probabilities of guns being banned or revoking the 2A.

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That would provoke a nationwide disturbance not seen since the civil
war, and would be political suicide for any strong advocate. There
would be states that threatened secession from the union and they'd be
serious about it.


PS, I regret to report that my forecast for a weekend nor'easter up
your way still looks pretty solid.


I'll have to check the local forecast again. Last word I heard is that
it was going to just clip the Cape which means some rain and wind but
not too bad.

5-8 inches of snow in Maine though.

I am still playing with the ViewFax program you provided the link to. I
can see the "get data" in the pull down menu and when I click on it I
get this:

http://tinyurl.com/pkl9mdc

But when I request any of the areas (Boston in this case) the display
either comes up blank or it comes up with the text of a weather forecast
like this:

http://tinyurl.com/ohbt4zj

If I click on "open" under file in the pull down, and then on the image
file, it loads the global map but there's no weather information on it.

I'll figure it out eventually.


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OK, you're getting close. After you get the global map, use the
window bars and cursor to draw a blue box that looks like this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/37wm5h47tgov8ni/Screenshot%202014-10-31%2009.15.16.png?dl=0

The box defines the lat/lon co-ordinates of the area that you are
interested in.

At the bottom select "GFS" from the pull-down and then click
"request".

That should bring up an option box where you specify dates, times,
model parameters, etc.

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On 10/31/2014 8:25 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 08:15:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:25:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:52:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

BTW I am not really sure that is true. I think we may have the Nancy
Reagan syndrome working here. When a pollster asks if people have a
gun, they just say no.

I will not divulge gun ownership for any survey. Why let myself be put
on someone's list? Hell, Harry's database is enough.



You don't have to divulge anything. You've broadcasted every gun you
own and what future guns you might buy all over the Internet.


No, no, no....only here! :)

What goes on in rec.boats doesn't necessarily stay in rec.boats. That's
why I cautioned you, some time ago, not to broadcast your travel plans. ;-)

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On Friday, October 31, 2014 9:18:35 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 9:02 AM, Poco Loco wrote:

I've not seen a whole lot of fighting over background checks.

Are you serious? You apparently have a short memory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html

What I beleive he meant is that the American public hasn't been railing against background checks. Your linked article even points out that the measure had a 90% public approval rating. It was the politicians that didn't get the job done.

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On 10/31/2014 8:33 AM, True North wrote:
Mr. Luddite
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On 10/31/2014 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:25:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:52:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

BTW I am not really sure that is true. I think we may have the Nancy
Reagan syndrome working here. When a pollster asks if people have a
gun, they just say no.

I will not divulge gun ownership for any survey. Why let myself be put
on someone's list? Hell, Harry's database is enough.



" You don't have to divulge anything. You've broadcasted every gun you
own and what future guns you might buy all over the Internet. "


SNERK!
Johnny's verbal diarrhea problem will do him in.

From the refuse heap at 6331................... what's the name of that
street again?

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On 10/31/2014 9:22 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/31/2014 8:15 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/31/2014 7:43 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:25:17 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:52:02 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I think sometimes we forget that the
majority of Americans do *not* own guns and that majority is growing.

BTW I am not really sure that is true. I think we may have the Nancy
Reagan syndrome working here. When a pollster asks if people have a
gun, they just say no.

I will not divulge gun ownership for any survey. Why let myself be put
on someone's list? Hell, Harry's database is enough.



You don't have to divulge anything. You've broadcasted every gun you
own and what future guns you might buy all over the Internet.



Harry keeps a dossier on everyone's guns including yours. Maybe he can
trade that information for the scope he can't afford to buy.


No matter. My firearms are registered with the state. According to
some here I should be expecting the police to come knocking on my door
any day now to confiscate them.