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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/25/14 4:23 PM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 10/25/2014 12:19 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 11:25:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/25/14 11:12 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2014 07:34:39 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/25/14 5:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Hillary in Boston on Friday:

Now she's claiming that as a senator she voted to increase the minimum
wage in 2007 and "millions" of jobs were created.

She neglected to mention that the only way the 2007 minimum wage bill
was approved by the Senate was by offsetting the cost to businesses by
providing additional tax breaks over the next 10 years.

Then she went on to say that corporations and businesses *don't* create
jobs. Really?

If people like arrogance over competence in their leaders, vote for
Hillary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nbFYP3xB6k

1. Indeed, she voted to raise the minimum wage.
2. Her point was that raising the minimum wage didn't cost jobs, as
opponents of such raises like to claim.
3. Her comment about corproations and businesses was directed at the
Republican idea that "trickle down" economics works, and of course, it
doesn't.

But, hey, nice try. The righties here will snap it up.

I think the relevant point is it was a small incremental increase in
the minimum wage, not the quantum leap folks like you advocate. That
would cost minimum wage jobs.
We already had the discussion in the fast food thread that it would
not take much to cause fast food joints to cut their staff through
automation. It may happen anyway, simply because of health care costs.
That would ripple through the other jobs done by unskilled labor.

If I was really worried about workers, I would be trying to figure out
a way to create higher skill, higher paying jobs anyway, not simply
trying to increase the cost of unskilled labor.

Just what "quantum leap" in the minimum wage do you think I advocate?

I had the impression you were a $10.75 guy

Whatever it takes to elevate our lowest tier service jobs to middle
class. Leveling the playing field, as O'Bama puts it.

A bunch of San Francisco restaurants have instituted a no tipping policy
and are adding a service charge of 20% to the bills. Goes to the
restaurant to distribute. Because of the minimum wage increase in SF. So
the servers will get minimum wage, and maybe a little tip money, no matter
the level of service. Very democratic. Well, maybe more socialist. Get
level playing field, no matter the effort or training.

In most restaurants, the hired hands split the tips. Most of the tips are
added onto charge slips anyway. Have a nice day and come back when you know how to play.

True. And different people get different percentages. And TIP was to
insure service. Now it is a labor charge?

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