Interesting Anchor Test
 

On 10/24/14 5:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 10/24/2014 3:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 2:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 2:13 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 1:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
One thing interesting about this test is that the research vessel
used, the R/V Rachel Carson, was designed by Roger Long, a former
contributor to rec.boats.cruising - Roger is still active on some
other boating forums and is presently cruising south for the
winter on
his sailboat.

http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2014/october/the-fine-art-of-anchoring.asp









There are lots of caveats with a test like this, some of which
were
noted at the end of the article:

---------------------------------
But there were some things the tests couldn't measure. For
example, a
straight-line pull test can't predict how well an anchor will
reset
during a wind shift. The tests also can't tell the ultimate
holding
power of a wellset anchor that's subject to dynamic loads, such as
when wind and waves act on a boat. Finally, the results hold for
just
this one bottom. But there are so many different types of bottoms
that
testing in them all would be an overwhelming undertaking.

No anchor test will ever manage to be complete, and despite all
the
caveats, the process was a commendable attempt to conduct
consistent
and comparable straight-line holding power tests in a specific
bottom.
While the testing wasn't perfect and won't begin to satisfy
everyone,
it succeeded in adding to the limited body of knowledge that
exists
about anchoring and to confirm that anchoring remains as much fine
art
as hard science.
-----------------------------------

The biggest issue for me is that all of the testing was done in a
soft
mud bottom. That's fine for the Solomons area of Chesapeake Bay
but
the most important thing for us is an anchor that sets well in
many
different kinds of conditions like sand, grass, loose rock,
etc. We
have been using Spade and Rocna anchors for over 10 years, over
many
thousands of miles of cruising, and have had excellent results.




Interesting article.

I felt a little bit the novice when reading it though. During the
eight
years I had the Navigator I used the anchor *once* and on the GB
twice.
LOL.





I thought it was an hysterically funny post, typical of w'hine for
rec.boats. Mind you, I'm not making fun of the article, simply
w'hine's
reposting it here.



Right. How *dare* he submit a boating related post to rec.boats!


Nope...that's not it at all.



Oh. Was it hysterically funny because Wayne has more experience
underway than the rest of us combined?



No, though I have no particular reason to believe that claim. Maybe your
old buddy, FlaJim has more experience underway than W'hine. Maybe
someone else does. Have you compared the resumes of the four or five
remaining boaters here?



Sorry. I was thinking recreational boating, not miles sailed on a Navy
or Coast Guard vessel. Yes, of the recreational boaters I'd say it's
safe to say Wayne has more miles under his keel than the rest of us
combined based on his posts and trip logs.


There could be a boater here who is as secretive about his "trip logs"
as your junior high buddy, FlaJim, is about his life.

Regardless, I wouldn't doubt that W'hine has more hours underway making
the same trips over and over than anyone else has, sort of like an
interstate trucker driving coast to coast, except he drives up and down
the ICW and to the islands in the Carib.

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.


Tell us about your varied boating experiences.

Owing taxes, maybe he can not get a passport.



Are you Psychosnotty Ingerfool's missing birth parent?

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:34:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 10/24/14 4:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:06:18 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.

===

You should go, it's a wonderful trip.


Love to, but another two week Greek Isle cruise is more likely. Neither
my wife nor I are retired, and neither of us would want to live aboard a
small boat for six months, or even one month.

===

Well then, you should go on a large boat.

Does the IRS let you travel out of the country?

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:47:05 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/24/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 4:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:06:18 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.

===

You should go, it's a wonderful trip.


Love to, but another two week Greek Isle cruise is more likely. Neither
my wife nor I are retired, and neither of us would want to live aboard a
small boat for six months, or even one month.


You aren't retired? What do you do for work?

===

He's an instructor for a self help group on internet etiquette and
another on how to win friends and influence people.

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On 10/24/14 6:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:47:05 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/24/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 4:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:06:18 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.

===

You should go, it's a wonderful trip.


Love to, but another two week Greek Isle cruise is more likely. Neither
my wife nor I are retired, and neither of us would want to live aboard a
small boat for six months, or even one month.


You aren't retired? What do you do for work?

===

He's an instructor for a self help group on internet etiquette and
another on how to win friends and influence people.


Indeed, but those are just tasks I handle as a volunteer. Fortunately,
the consulting work for which I get paid allows me to be a volunteer in
my spare time. Perhaps you should consider enrolling in my class on "How
Not To Be A Snarky Asshole On Usenet," W'hine. You obviously need
help.

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:24:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Perhaps you should consider enrolling in my class on "How
Not To Be A Snarky Asshole On Usenet,"

===

Not really, I took that course many years ago from someone who
actually knew what they were talking about.

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On 10/24/14 6:58 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:24:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Perhaps you should consider enrolling in my class on "How
Not To Be A Snarky Asshole On Usenet,"

===

Not really, I took that course many years ago from someone who
actually knew what they were talking about.


Apparently you weren't paying attention.

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)

Interesting Anchor Test
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 6:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:47:05 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/24/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 4:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:06:18 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.

===

You should go, it's a wonderful trip.


Love to, but another two week Greek Isle cruise is more likely. Neither
my wife nor I are retired, and neither of us would want to live aboard a
small boat for six months, or even one month.


You aren't retired? What do you do for work?

===

He's an instructor for a self help group on internet etiquette and
another on how to win friends and influence people.


Indeed, but those are just tasks I handle as a volunteer. Fortunately,
the consulting work for which I get paid allows me to be a volunteer in
my spare time. Perhaps you should consider enrolling in my class on "How
Not To Be A Snarky Asshole On Usenet," W'hine. You obviously need
help.


You could possibly teach the course. You definitely know how to be a
snarky asshole.

Interesting Anchor Test
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 5:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 10/24/2014 3:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 2:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 2:13 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 1:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
One thing interesting about this test is that the research vessel
used, the R/V Rachel Carson, was designed by Roger Long, a former
contributor to rec.boats.cruising - Roger is still active on some
other boating forums and is presently cruising south for the
winter on
his sailboat.

http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2014/october/the-fine-art-of-anchoring.asp









There are lots of caveats with a test like this, some of which
were
noted at the end of the article:

---------------------------------
But there were some things the tests couldn't measure. For
example, a
straight-line pull test can't predict how well an anchor will
reset
during a wind shift. The tests also can't tell the ultimate
holding
power of a wellset anchor that's subject to dynamic loads, such as
when wind and waves act on a boat. Finally, the results hold for
just
this one bottom. But there are so many different types of bottoms
that
testing in them all would be an overwhelming undertaking.

No anchor test will ever manage to be complete, and despite all
the
caveats, the process was a commendable attempt to conduct
consistent
and comparable straight-line holding power tests in a specific
bottom.
While the testing wasn't perfect and won't begin to satisfy
everyone,
it succeeded in adding to the limited body of knowledge that
exists
about anchoring and to confirm that anchoring remains as much fine
art
as hard science.
-----------------------------------

The biggest issue for me is that all of the testing was done in a
soft
mud bottom. That's fine for the Solomons area of Chesapeake Bay
but
the most important thing for us is an anchor that sets well in
many
different kinds of conditions like sand, grass, loose rock,
etc. We
have been using Spade and Rocna anchors for over 10 years, over
many
thousands of miles of cruising, and have had excellent results.




Interesting article.

I felt a little bit the novice when reading it though. During the
eight
years I had the Navigator I used the anchor *once* and on the GB
twice.
LOL.





I thought it was an hysterically funny post, typical of w'hine for
rec.boats. Mind you, I'm not making fun of the article, simply
w'hine's
reposting it here.



Right. How *dare* he submit a boating related post to rec.boats!


Nope...that's not it at all.



Oh. Was it hysterically funny because Wayne has more experience
underway than the rest of us combined?



No, though I have no particular reason to believe that claim. Maybe your
old buddy, FlaJim has more experience underway than W'hine. Maybe
someone else does. Have you compared the resumes of the four or five
remaining boaters here?



Sorry. I was thinking recreational boating, not miles sailed on a Navy
or Coast Guard vessel. Yes, of the recreational boaters I'd say it's
safe to say Wayne has more miles under his keel than the rest of us
combined based on his posts and trip logs.


There could be a boater here who is as secretive about his "trip logs"
as your junior high buddy, FlaJim, is about his life.

Regardless, I wouldn't doubt that W'hine has more hours underway making
the same trips over and over than anyone else has, sort of like an
interstate trucker driving coast to coast, except he drives up and down
the ICW and to the islands in the Carib.

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.


Tell us about your varied boating experiences.

Owing taxes, maybe he can not get a passport.



Are you Psychosnotty Ingerfool's missing birth parent?


More inane posts by you. I doubt people owing big income tax will be
allowed a passport. Owe child support, passports are withheld.

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On 10/24/14 7:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 6:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:47:05 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 10/24/2014 4:34 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 4:27 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 24 Oct 2014 15:06:18 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.

===

You should go, it's a wonderful trip.


Love to, but another two week Greek Isle cruise is more likely. Neither
my wife nor I are retired, and neither of us would want to live aboard a
small boat for six months, or even one month.


You aren't retired? What do you do for work?

===

He's an instructor for a self help group on internet etiquette and
another on how to win friends and influence people.


Indeed, but those are just tasks I handle as a volunteer. Fortunately,
the consulting work for which I get paid allows me to be a volunteer in
my spare time. Perhaps you should consider enrolling in my class on "How
Not To Be A Snarky Asshole On Usenet," W'hine. You obviously need
help.


You could possibly teach the course. You definitely know how to be a
snarky asshole.


I do. And you, of course, are expert in playing the uninformed fool.

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)

Interesting Anchor Test
 

On 10/24/14 7:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 5:09 PM, Califbill wrote:
Harrold wrote:
On 10/24/2014 3:06 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 2:36 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 2:13 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 2:11 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 1:52 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/24/14 12:44 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/24/2014 10:53 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
One thing interesting about this test is that the research vessel
used, the R/V Rachel Carson, was designed by Roger Long, a former
contributor to rec.boats.cruising - Roger is still active on some
other boating forums and is presently cruising south for the
winter on
his sailboat.

http://www.boatus.com/seaworthy/magazine/2014/october/the-fine-art-of-anchoring.asp









There are lots of caveats with a test like this, some of which
were
noted at the end of the article:

---------------------------------
But there were some things the tests couldn't measure. For
example, a
straight-line pull test can't predict how well an anchor will
reset
during a wind shift. The tests also can't tell the ultimate
holding
power of a wellset anchor that's subject to dynamic loads, such as
when wind and waves act on a boat. Finally, the results hold for
just
this one bottom. But there are so many different types of bottoms
that
testing in them all would be an overwhelming undertaking.

No anchor test will ever manage to be complete, and despite all
the
caveats, the process was a commendable attempt to conduct
consistent
and comparable straight-line holding power tests in a specific
bottom.
While the testing wasn't perfect and won't begin to satisfy
everyone,
it succeeded in adding to the limited body of knowledge that
exists
about anchoring and to confirm that anchoring remains as much fine
art
as hard science.
-----------------------------------

The biggest issue for me is that all of the testing was done in a
soft
mud bottom. That's fine for the Solomons area of Chesapeake Bay
but
the most important thing for us is an anchor that sets well in
many
different kinds of conditions like sand, grass, loose rock,
etc. We
have been using Spade and Rocna anchors for over 10 years, over
many
thousands of miles of cruising, and have had excellent results.




Interesting article.

I felt a little bit the novice when reading it though. During the
eight
years I had the Navigator I used the anchor *once* and on the GB
twice.
LOL.





I thought it was an hysterically funny post, typical of w'hine for
rec.boats. Mind you, I'm not making fun of the article, simply
w'hine's
reposting it here.



Right. How *dare* he submit a boating related post to rec.boats!


Nope...that's not it at all.



Oh. Was it hysterically funny because Wayne has more experience
underway than the rest of us combined?



No, though I have no particular reason to believe that claim. Maybe your
old buddy, FlaJim has more experience underway than W'hine. Maybe
someone else does. Have you compared the resumes of the four or five
remaining boaters here?



Sorry. I was thinking recreational boating, not miles sailed on a Navy
or Coast Guard vessel. Yes, of the recreational boaters I'd say it's
safe to say Wayne has more miles under his keel than the rest of us
combined based on his posts and trip logs.


There could be a boater here who is as secretive about his "trip logs"
as your junior high buddy, FlaJim, is about his life.

Regardless, I wouldn't doubt that W'hine has more hours underway making
the same trips over and over than anyone else has, sort of like an
interstate trucker driving coast to coast, except he drives up and down
the ICW and to the islands in the Carib.

Last year, a high school classmate of mine, a fellow whose prior boating
experience was plying the waters of LI Sound in a daysailer, remarried
(he was a widower) and he and his bride spent six months on a 40'
sailboat they chartered going to many ports of call in the Mediterranean
(and docking the boat and going inland), starting in Spain, with
landings in France, Italy, Albania (yikes!) and Greece, and a couple of
others I don't recall. That's a trip I'd love to take to put water under
my keel.


Tell us about your varied boating experiences.

Owing taxes, maybe he can not get a passport.



Are you Psychosnotty Ingerfool's missing birth parent?


More inane posts by you. I doubt people owing big income tax will be
allowed a passport. Owe child support, passports are withheld.



If you were shown a photo of your ass and a hole in the ground, you
wouldn't be able to tell one from the other. Really, Bilious, you should
limit your "play" here to your intellectual peers, such as the two
Scotties, Herring, and FlaJim. Anyone still capable of thinking and
fogging a mirror is way out of your league.

Have nice day.

--
Of life’s simple pleasures, few are more satisfying than being attacked
by the right-wing trash in rec.boats. :)