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Last German state to do away with university tuition fees

The Times
September 23, 2014 7:00AM


ALL GERMAN universities will be free of charge when term starts next
week after fees were abandoned in Lower Saxony, the last of seven states
to charge.

“Tuition fees are socially unjust,� said Dorothee Stapelfeldt, senator
for science in Hamburg, which scrapped charges in 2012.

“They particularly discourage young people who do not have a traditional
academic family background from taking up studies. It is a core task of
politics to ensure that young women and men can study with a high
quality standard free of charge in Germany.�

The experiment with tuition fees, which began in 2006, was overturned by
democratic pressure against the conservative-led state governments, all
in the west of Germany, which decided to charge euros 1,000 ($A1436) a year.

They were able to do so after a constitutional court ruling that
moderate fees combined with loans did not contradict the country’s
commitment to universal higher education.

Within eight years, all the states have changed their minds, with Lower
Saxony the last to give way after the defeat of its Christian Democrat
rulers last year. It means that this autumn’s student intake will enjoy
free university courses.

“We got rid of tuition fees because we do not want higher education
which depends on the wealth of the parents,� said Gabriele
Heinen-Kljajic of the Green party, the minister for science and culture
in Lower Saxony.

Under Germany’s federal system, state governments run education policy.

_ _ _

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

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On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.

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On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

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On 9/30/2014 11:19 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Last German state to do away with university tuition fees

The Times
September 23, 2014 7:00AM


ALL GERMAN universities will be free of charge when term starts next
week after fees were abandoned in Lower Saxony, the last of seven states
to charge.

“Tuition fees are socially unjust,� said Dorothee Stapelfeldt, senator
for science in Hamburg, which scrapped charges in 2012.

“They particularly discourage young people who do not have a traditional
academic family background from taking up studies. It is a core task of
politics to ensure that young women and men can study with a high
quality standard free of charge in Germany.�

The experiment with tuition fees, which began in 2006, was overturned by
democratic pressure against the conservative-led state governments, all
in the west of Germany, which decided to charge euros 1,000 ($A1436) a year.

They were able to do so after a constitutional court ruling that
moderate fees combined with loans did not contradict the country’s
commitment to universal higher education.

Within eight years, all the states have changed their minds, with Lower
Saxony the last to give way after the defeat of its Christian Democrat
rulers last year. It means that this autumn’s student intake will enjoy
free university courses.

“We got rid of tuition fees because we do not want higher education
which depends on the wealth of the parents,� said Gabriele
Heinen-Kljajic of the Green party, the minister for science and culture
in Lower Saxony.

Under Germany’s federal system, state governments run education policy.

_ _ _

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Maybe if our universities only charged $1500 a year, I would agree
with federal funding.


Do you really want politicians running our educational system?
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2...PsL/story.html

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

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As the U.S. continues its slide into the abyss...
 

On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

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On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)

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On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

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On 10/1/14 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 05:35:54 -0400, Harrold wrote:


Do you really want politicians running our educational system?

They already do.



Now you've done it...you've increased Stupid FlaJim's "now-lidge" base. :)

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On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

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On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.

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On 10/1/14 11:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:58:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:


Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

Hey I took "a course or two" at American University, U Md, Edison
State and FSU.
I didn't know that counted.



No wonder you like Sarah Palin. I spent some time at FSU in a worthy
pursuit...I sat on the steps of the library and watched all the gorgeous
gals walk by... :)

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On 10/1/14 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.



Heheh. You two bozos couldn't pass the test for a leaf-raking job at
your local community college. Your daughter should be in Storrs,
PyschoSnotty...where she might learn the skills needed for a future. And
when FlaJim's kid gets out of the Florida prison, he can join the Navy.

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On 10/1/2014 11:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:58:06 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:


Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

Hey I took "a course or two" at American University, U Md, Edison
State and FSU.
I didn't know that counted.



They do when you are trying to fill a degree bucket.

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On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 11:37 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 05:35:54 -0400, Harrold wrote:


Do you really want politicians running our educational system?

They already do.



Now you've done it...you've increased Stupid FlaJim's "now-lidge" base. :)

As usual, you don't understand what you read.

If Greg had answered the question, you probably wouldn't have made a
fool of yourself.
It's fun to see you hanging on every word I type. How's porky doing with
the diet?

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On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)


So, do you recall him saying he earned a degree from Yale? I don't.

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On 10/1/2014 11:54 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)


So, do you recall him saying he earned a degree from Yale? I don't.

I don't. All I recall is Harry claimed he attended Yale. The story
evolved from that.

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On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the
greatest but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree
from Yale. I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying)
that he "attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

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On 10/1/14 11:54 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)


So, do you recall him saying he earned a degree from Yale? I don't.


Your buddy FlaJim got a medal from the navy for not going AWOL too many
times.

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On 10/1/2014 12:05 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 11:54 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of
dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he
got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)


So, do you recall him saying he earned a degree from Yale? I don't.


Your buddy FlaJim got a medal from the navy for not going AWOL too many
times.


They don't give medals for that, dumbkoff. ;-)

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On 10/1/14 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of
dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he
got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the
greatest but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree
from Yale. I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying)
that he "attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Fascinating that intellectual ciphers like PsychoSnotty and FlaJim are
so curious about college when it is patently obvious neither of them
have what it takes to get through an A.A. degree.

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On 10/1/2014 12:10 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of
dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic
scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he
got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no
reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the
greatest but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree
from Yale. I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying)
that he "attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Fascinating that intellectual ciphers like PsychoSnotty and FlaJim are
so curious about college when it is patently obvious neither of them
have what it takes to get through an A.A. degree.


I don't know about that. Virtually anyone can earn a degree if they want
or need one bad enough.

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On 10/1/14 12:20 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 12:10 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of
dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic
scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he
got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no
reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the
greatest but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree
from Yale. I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying)
that he "attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Fascinating that intellectual ciphers like PsychoSnotty and FlaJim are
so curious about college when it is patently obvious neither of them
have what it takes to get through an A.A. degree.


I don't know about that. Virtually anyone can earn a degree if they want
or need one bad enough.

Maybe...Sarah Palin got one after failing at four or five colleges.
Scotty could get an associate's degree in psychosis and Flajim could
repeat the 7th grade...again.

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On 10/1/2014 12:10 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of
dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic
scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he
got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no
reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the
greatest but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree
from Yale. I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying)
that he "attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Fascinating that intellectual ciphers like PsychoSnotty and FlaJim are
so curious about college when it is patently obvious neither of them
have what it takes to get through an A.A. degree.

My curiosity stems from the fact that you seem to think your dubious
scholastic achievement is more important to us than the failures in your
life.

As the U.S. continues its slide into the abyss...
 

On 10/1/2014 12:31 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 12:10 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 12:02 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of
dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic
scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he
got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no
reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the
greatest but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree
from Yale. I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying)
that he "attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Fascinating that intellectual ciphers like PsychoSnotty and FlaJim are
so curious about college when it is patently obvious neither of them
have what it takes to get through an A.A. degree.

You say this as if we are supposed to believe you did, lol.

My curiosity stems from the fact that you seem to think your dubious
scholastic achievement is more important to us than the failures in your
life.

As the U.S. continues its slide into the abyss...
 

"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the greatest
but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree from Yale.
I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying) that he
"attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Is typical Harry. Lies by insinuation. So he is a Yale University
dropout.

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On 10/1/14 1:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the greatest
but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree from Yale.
I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying) that he
"attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Is typical Harry. Lies by insinuation. So he is a Yale University
dropout.


Your uncanny ability to reach moronic conclusions based upon information
you don't have or understand is pretty much unparalleled
in rec.boats. If you were some sort of electronics whiz in your youth,
whatever brain power you have has discharged and left you with the
brightness of a model railroad bulb.

As the U.S. continues its slide into the abyss...
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 10/1/14 1:02 PM, Califbill wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 11:44 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:05 AM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:53 AM, Harrold wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:26 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:54:59 -0400, Harrold
wrote:

On 9/30/2014 10:51 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, September 30, 2014 10:08:10 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D The
Pusbag
wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars
in debt.

Enjoy your slide, you live there. Like you could or would do
anything to help the situation. You wont even pay your
Bankruptcies.


Krause wants to kill the American educational system and have our
young
people go to college in Germany.

Didn't Krause get through Yale on a fully paid academic scholarship?
Or was it football?

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)


In fairness I think he only said he took a course or two at Yale. I
don't think he ever claimed to have obtained a degree from Yale.

I don't recall seeing anything to that effect. Harry is famous for his
subtle implications that are made to mislead the reader. I see no reason
to be fair with him given his propensity to lie about just about
everything. ;-)

Thank you.


On many subjects Harry and I disagree however I don't make up **** just
to discredit him or anyone for that matter. My memory isn't the greatest
but I don't recall him ever claiming to have earned a degree from Yale.
I do have a hazy recollection of him saying (or implying) that he
"attended" ... meaning he may have taken a course or two.

Many people claim to have "attended" a particular school. It doesn't
mean they graduated or earned a degree from that specific school. My
bucket is filled with courses taken at many schools attended over the
course of several years. It's a long process but many people do it.

Is typical Harry. Lies by insinuation. So he is a Yale University
dropout.


Your uncanny ability to reach moronic conclusions based upon information
you don't have or understand is pretty much unparalleled
in rec.boats. If you were some sort of electronics whiz in your youth,
whatever brain power you have has discharged and left you with the
brightness of a model railroad bulb.

So? Why did you drop out?

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On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

===

Or their thrifty, hard working parents forgo a few luxuries for the
sake of their children.

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:05:08 -0400, KC wrote:

Would you verify that. He claims to have received an undergraduate
degree at some obscure Kansas school. He has never stated where he got
his masters. Musta been Matchbook U.

Can't be verified, it's not true. krause lied about Yale long before
Google ruined most of his reported history :)

===

Harry's family ran a bait shop and he became a Master Baiter.

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:01:03 -0400, Harrold wrote:

So, do you recall him saying he earned a degree from Yale? I don't.

I don't. All I recall is Harry claimed he attended Yale. The story
evolved from that.

===

I drove by Yale once, also MIT and Harvard. One of them had a
dumpster with Harry's name on it if I recall correctly.

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:45:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

People who struggled through
school attending community colleges and then continue on to a four year
degree are just as valuable (if not more) to most employers than the
graduate of a prestigious Ivy League University.

===

People who graduate from a first rate (prestigious) school gain access
to a vast network of peer acquaintances and referrals however. That
can be priceless.

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On 10/1/2014 10:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:45:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

People who struggled through
school attending community colleges and then continue on to a four year
degree are just as valuable (if not more) to most employers than the
graduate of a prestigious Ivy League University.

===

People who graduate from a first rate (prestigious) school gain access
to a vast network of peer acquaintances and referrals however. That
can be priceless.


It's called "pay to play".. it keeps the riff-raff on the outside. On
the whole it's great for those who can afford it, but probably not so
great for society in general as it keeps a lot of the creme from rising
to the top...

As the U.S. continues its slide into the abyss...
 

On 10/1/2014 9:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in debt.

===

Or their thrifty, hard working parents forgo a few luxuries for the
sake of their children.



Harry says it should be "free". Problem is nothing is "free".

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On 10/1/2014 10:31 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in
debt.

===

Or their thrifty, hard working parents forgo a few luxuries for the
sake of their children.



Harry says it should be "free". Problem is nothing is "free".



I know very few who could send their kids to an Ivy League college just
by "forgo-ing a few luxuries"... but then again, most of the folks I
know are middle and upper middle class, no uber rich since I left Essex...

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On 10/1/2014 10:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:45:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

People who struggled through
school attending community colleges and then continue on to a four year
degree are just as valuable (if not more) to most employers than the
graduate of a prestigious Ivy League University.

===

People who graduate from a first rate (prestigious) school gain access
to a vast network of peer acquaintances and referrals however. That
can be priceless.



I understand but the average Joe in the workforce is not going to
benefit in that way. Most companies really don't care what school you
went to as long as your education meets the job requirements and you
have the knowledge and skill sets.

As the U.S. continues its slide into the abyss...
 

On 10/1/2014 10:13 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:45:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

People who struggled through
school attending community colleges and then continue on to a four year
degree are just as valuable (if not more) to most employers than the
graduate of a prestigious Ivy League University.

===

People who graduate from a first rate (prestigious) school gain access
to a vast network of peer acquaintances and referrals however. That
can be priceless.


It's called "pay to play".. it keeps the riff-raff on the outside. On
the whole it's great for those who can afford it, but probably not so
great for society in general as it keeps a lot of the creme from rising
to the top...


The vast majority of college grads did not attend Ivy League schools.
If you plan to be a lawyer, doctor or politician I guess it's important
but to the average work-a-bee the school you attended doesn't mean as
much as the fact that you have a relevant degree.

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On 10/1/2014 10:41 PM, KC wrote:
On 10/1/2014 10:31 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/1/2014 9:46 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:08:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Under the U.S. system, students incur tens of thousands of dollars in
debt.

===

Or their thrifty, hard working parents forgo a few luxuries for the
sake of their children.



Harry says it should be "free". Problem is nothing is "free".



I know very few who could send their kids to an Ivy League college just
by "forgo-ing a few luxuries"... but then again, most of the folks I
know are middle and upper middle class, no uber rich since I left Essex...


Everyone has different levels of natural smarts or capability. An Ivy
League school isn't going to make a dim-wit any smarter or more capable.
Harry should agree with that. George Bush is a Yale graduate.

I am a firm believer that you should acquire the level of education that
best utilizes the capabilities you were born with and then make the most
of it. The world is full of examples of successful, contributing
members of society who don't have degrees from prestigious schools. In
fact, the networking and peer connections that Wayne speaks of is
probably why we have so many incompetents in high places.

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On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:41:56 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/1/2014 10:07 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2014 09:45:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

People who struggled through
school attending community colleges and then continue on to a four year
degree are just as valuable (if not more) to most employers than the
graduate of a prestigious Ivy League University.

===

People who graduate from a first rate (prestigious) school gain access
to a vast network of peer acquaintances and referrals however. That
can be priceless.



I understand but the average Joe in the workforce is not going to
benefit in that way. Most companies really don't care what school you
went to as long as your education meets the job requirements and you
have the knowledge and skill sets.

===

Understood but it depends on your aspirations. In certain fields
and at more senior levels, it is a very important way of pole vaulting
over the entry level positions.