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[email protected] August 28th 14 02:25 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.

F*O*A*D August 28th 14 02:53 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/14 10:00 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.


Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/




You really should get some help for your inane obsessions, racist.

Poco Loco August 28th 14 03:00 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.


Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/



[email protected] August 28th 14 03:15 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 9:53:16 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:


You really should get some help for your inane obsessions, racist.


As YOU should for your narcissism, asswipe.

Wayne.B August 28th 14 03:32 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:00:25 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.


Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/


===

After being tossed off of virtually every moderated forum on the
internet for antisocial behavior, our hero Harry has appointed himself
the king of rec.boats. WAFA.

F*O*A*D August 28th 14 04:59 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/14 11:53 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:00:25 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.


Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/


I suppose a lot would have to do with if you are answering about how
you act at work and how you are in your private life.


That's a weird answer, but, then, I didn't bother with Yellowstreak's or
Racist's URL.

Poco Loco August 28th 14 06:02 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 11:59:16 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 11:53 AM,
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 10:00:25 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 06:25:30 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Not that I have anyone in particular in mind.

Krause will be all over that, lying in his answers to every question.

http://time.com/3136687/narcissist-quiz/


I suppose a lot would have to do with if you are answering about how
you act at work and how you are in your private life.


That's a weird answer, but, then, I didn't bother with Yellowstreak's or
Racist's URL.


Then you have no point of reference, why even bother answering?

My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more
assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your
private life.
In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".


But not Krause!


F*O*A*D August 28th 14 06:58 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400,
wrote:


My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more
assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your
private life.
In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".


But not Krause!


Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not
management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and
wait for your automatic promotions and raises.
Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative
and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.



Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the
skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's
job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.



[email protected] August 28th 14 07:27 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:58:25 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco


wrote:




On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400,
wrote:





My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more


assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your


private life.


In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".




But not Krause!




Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not


management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and


wait for your automatic promotions and raises.


Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative


and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.








Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the

skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's

job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as

a punch-list guy, maybe.


Your assertions, as usual, are BS. I've worked alongside many union tradesmen over the years. There were a few that were as good as non-union. Most were just average. The difference is that there were also a fair amount that were mouthbreathers that had barely scraped by getting in, but now that they were in they were set for life. Unlike in non-union shops, where they could be ****-canned for lack of performance.

Performing a union job is absolutely nothing special. There is no incentive to perform beyond the lowest common denominator. In fact, doing so will get you "short-sheeted" by your coworkers, eh? Don't you dare stand out and make the rest look bad. They've "fought hard" to get what they have, if you consider coercion and thuggery as fighting hard.

F*O*A*D August 28th 14 08:30 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

[email protected] August 28th 14 09:07 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:30:54 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:

Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


None of those are special union skills. The only specialized union skill is how to sandbag your own productivity without being obvious.

Wayne.B August 28th 14 09:25 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.

Harrold August 28th 14 09:56 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.


Krause is an extremely poor judge of...........everything that matters
to anyone.

Harrold August 28th 14 09:58 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?

Harrold August 28th 14 09:59 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 3:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


That's why he sucks up to the Apple genius.

Poco Loco August 28th 14 11:42 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.


F*O*A*D August 28th 14 11:44 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/14 6:42 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.



You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful
skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,
actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does
require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,
as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod
carrier.

[email protected] August 29th 14 12:33 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:44:41 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:





You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful

skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,

actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does

require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,

as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod

carrier.


Too bad " blocks " ...DONT weigh 40 to 50 pounds, but I'm sure a Union drudge like you would imagine they do.

Califbill August 29th 14 12:40 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 6:42 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not
require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing
directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.



You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful
skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,
actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does
require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,
as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod carrier.


Does not take a union card to be able weld nuclear plant tubes. About 6
months training. My brother did weld on a nuclear plant, and that is after
a couple months navy schooling. He was able to weld before joining the
service, you can go to my local JC and take a 2 year welding course and
get certified. Not union.

KC August 29th 14 01:48 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 2:27 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:58:25 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 1:14 PM,
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:02:09 -0400, Poco Loco


wrote:




On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 12:31:02 -0400,
wrote:





My point is if you are in a management position you have to be more


assertive and confident in your decisions than you might be in your


private life.


In social situations I am far more likely to "go along to get along".




But not Krause!




Yup, if you are a union member you are, by definition, labor (not


management) and you just get in line, keep your ideas to yourself and


wait for your automatic promotions and raises.


Being better trumped by time in grade. If you have a lot of initiative


and self esteem, they will bludgeon it out of you.








Your assumptions, as usual, are wrong. And I doubt Herring has the

skills, strength, stamina, or brains to hold down even a hod carrier's

job in the construction trades. You might be able to hold down a job as

a punch-list guy, maybe.


Your assertions, as usual, are BS. I've worked alongside many union tradesmen over the years. There were a few that were as good as non-union. Most were just average. The difference is that there were also a fair amount that were mouthbreathers that had barely scraped by getting in, but now that they were in they were set for life. Unlike in non-union shops, where they could be ****-canned for lack of performance.

Performing a union job is absolutely nothing special. There is no incentive to perform beyond the lowest common denominator. In fact, doing so will get you "short-sheeted" by your coworkers, eh? Don't you dare stand out and make the rest look bad. They've "fought hard" to get what they have, if you consider coercion and thuggery as fighting hard.


You got that right... They told me to slow down, or they would take me out.

KC August 29th 14 01:50 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 4:25 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:30:54 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


===

None of those skills are particularly difficult to learn for someone
who is moderately intelligent, motivated and reasonably fit.

I guess that leaves you out.

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


or can read the side of the box.... :)

KC August 29th 14 01:51 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 4:58 PM, Harrold wrote:
On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.


It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?


Yup... union workers and trained monkeys, the only difference is the
monkeys smell better.

KC August 29th 14 01:54 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/2014 7:40 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 6:42 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 15:58:32 -0500, Harrold wrote:

On 8/28/2014 2:30 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 3:13 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 13:58:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You might be able to hold down a job as
a punch-list guy, maybe.


Uh huh. You really are clueless about me aren't you.



I don't see you welding tubes and pipes at a pharma lab or nuclear power
plant, or working as a manufacturing plant electrician, or as a
bricklayer knowing the chemistry necessary to mix up and apply various
high strength or high or low temp mortars, or the strength to fling 40
pound concrete block all day, or maintaining and repairing railroad
diesel-electric powerplants, or even how to mitigate hazardous materials.

It's simple if you are literate enough to read the instructions.
5 Years apprenticeship to mix mortar. Really?

I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not
require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing
directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.



You would certainly be the "go to" guy for jobs requiring no useful
skills, but mixing a bag of sakcrete was not what I was describing. And,
actually, carrying or lifting 40 to 50 pound block all day long does
require some training so that you don't injure yourself or others. But,
as I said previously, you don't have the skills to qualify as a hod carrier.


Does not take a union card to be able weld nuclear plant tubes. About 6
months training. My brother did weld on a nuclear plant, and that is after
a couple months navy schooling. He was able to weld before joining the
service, you can go to my local JC and take a 2 year welding course and
get certified. Not union.


A friend of mine in the 80's was an electrician at nuke plants. He said
the workers there sucked, "you could walk through the openings they left
in concrete walls"...

Wayne.B August 29th 14 03:40 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:05:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:25:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


That is a business that simply does not exist anymore and the writing
was on the wall by 1989 or so. That is why I started putting different
cards in my wallet around 1990.
IBM did pay for about $100,000 worth of education in the early 90s for
me.
They were trying to find new markets and I was willing to be on the
leading edge on that. I pursued my other electrical interests on my
own. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a contractor or an
inspector/plans examiner so I sat for both suites of tests.


===

Yes, the equipment became a lot more reliable and easier to service,
and at the same time the cost of components became a lot cheaper than
the labor to service them. That was a good thing for those of us on
the end user side, at least until the data center consolidation
movement got into full swing. After that it became a constant
scramble to find a horse you could ride for a while before it got shot
out from underneath you. It was a good career though with many
benefits and I have no regrets.

Wayne.B August 29th 14 03:43 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:16:20 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:42:51 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.


I got a pretty good schooling on laying block when I was building my 3
additions in Maryland. My contractor (and a personal friend) was
teaching his boy the trade and I was just another student/helper on
that job. I mixed mortar, stacked block on the scaffolds and laid
block to the line in the field.
If you get the mortar right, not as easy as it would seem, and you
understand the process, you can learn to lay block to the line pretty
quickly. Laying the piers in the corners and getting everything
started is a trick. Actually going fast only comes with experience.
I still think that a reasonably intelligent person could be a pretty
decent block mason in a summer. Brick may take longer, particularly if
you want to go fast.
\
I built the back half of this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

===

Damn, that shed is built like the proverbial brick sh*t house!

:-)

Nice.

Califbill August 29th 14 04:36 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:42:51 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not
require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing
directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.


I got a pretty good schooling on laying block when I was building my 3
additions in Maryland. My contractor (and a personal friend) was
teaching his boy the trade and I was just another student/helper on
that job. I mixed mortar, stacked block on the scaffolds and laid
block to the line in the field.
If you get the mortar right, not as easy as it would seem, and you
understand the process, you can learn to lay block to the line pretty
quickly. Laying the piers in the corners and getting everything
started is a trick. Actually going fast only comes with experience.
I still think that a reasonably intelligent person could be a pretty
decent block mason in a summer. Brick may take longer, particularly if
you want to go fast.
\
I built the back half of this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg


My dad was building an addition to his machine shop in the 1950's. Union
picketed and so they finally had a union crew one day. One day only. They
started in the morning and mixed a batch of mortar and added to it all day.
Night came and so little cement In the mortar that night a light rain and
the concrete block wall fell down. Never a word from the union, or a
picket again! Ya. Those union guys know how to mix mortar. Maybe not
correctly.

Califbill August 29th 14 04:36 AM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:05:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:25:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


That is a business that simply does not exist anymore and the writing
was on the wall by 1989 or so. That is why I started putting different
cards in my wallet around 1990.
IBM did pay for about $100,000 worth of education in the early 90s for
me.
They were trying to find new markets and I was willing to be on the
leading edge on that. I pursued my other electrical interests on my
own. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a contractor or an
inspector/plans examiner so I sat for both suites of tests.


===

Yes, the equipment became a lot more reliable and easier to service,
and at the same time the cost of components became a lot cheaper than
the labor to service them. That was a good thing for those of us on
the end user side, at least until the data center consolidation
movement got into full swing. After that it became a constant
scramble to find a horse you could ride for a while before it got shot
out from underneath you. It was a good career though with many
benefits and I have no regrets.


The component count plummeted! NCR put out a 605 Mimi controller. 4
boards. Had has much power as an NCR 315 did 15 years before. 315
probably had 200 boards. 2 flip flops per board. Later a 14 pin DIP
package ic 74ls74 was the same thing.

Poco Loco August 29th 14 12:41 PM

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On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:40:33 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:05:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:25:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.


That is a business that simply does not exist anymore and the writing
was on the wall by 1989 or so. That is why I started putting different
cards in my wallet around 1990.
IBM did pay for about $100,000 worth of education in the early 90s for
me.
They were trying to find new markets and I was willing to be on the
leading edge on that. I pursued my other electrical interests on my
own. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a contractor or an
inspector/plans examiner so I sat for both suites of tests.


===

Yes, the equipment became a lot more reliable and easier to service,
and at the same time the cost of components became a lot cheaper than
the labor to service them. That was a good thing for those of us on
the end user side, at least until the data center consolidation
movement got into full swing. After that it became a constant
scramble to find a horse you could ride for a while before it got shot
out from underneath you. It was a good career though with many
benefits and I have no regrets.


You'll have noticed that Krause got out of this thread pretty fast. His bull**** didn't float long.


F*O*A*D August 29th 14 12:55 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/29/14 7:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:40:33 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:05:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:25:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.

That is a business that simply does not exist anymore and the writing
was on the wall by 1989 or so. That is why I started putting different
cards in my wallet around 1990.
IBM did pay for about $100,000 worth of education in the early 90s for
me.
They were trying to find new markets and I was willing to be on the
leading edge on that. I pursued my other electrical interests on my
own. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a contractor or an
inspector/plans examiner so I sat for both suites of tests.


===

Yes, the equipment became a lot more reliable and easier to service,
and at the same time the cost of components became a lot cheaper than
the labor to service them. That was a good thing for those of us on
the end user side, at least until the data center consolidation
movement got into full swing. After that it became a constant
scramble to find a horse you could ride for a while before it got shot
out from underneath you. It was a good career though with many
benefits and I have no regrets.


You'll have noticed that Krause got out of this thread pretty fast. His bull**** didn't float long.


Hehehe. What an anal-yst you aren't. The reality is that once again I
got bored by Greg's over-responding, especially when he is working extra
hard to justify his right-wing prejudices.

Isn't there some ersatz bluegrass festival this weekend to which you can
tow your tin motel room? Or perhaps you can find another pistol you
can't shoot accurately...

Harrold August 29th 14 02:50 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/29/2014 6:55 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/29/14 7:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:40:33 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 22:05:42 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 16:25:55 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

Greg worked for IBM back in the days when you really had to be able to
analyze complex computer system problems while working with customers
in a courteous and professional manner, something that I'm sure you've
never done.

That is a business that simply does not exist anymore and the writing
was on the wall by 1989 or so. That is why I started putting different
cards in my wallet around 1990.
IBM did pay for about $100,000 worth of education in the early 90s for
me.
They were trying to find new markets and I was willing to be on the
leading edge on that. I pursued my other electrical interests on my
own. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to be a contractor or an
inspector/plans examiner so I sat for both suites of tests.

===

Yes, the equipment became a lot more reliable and easier to service,
and at the same time the cost of components became a lot cheaper than
the labor to service them. That was a good thing for those of us on
the end user side, at least until the data center consolidation
movement got into full swing. After that it became a constant
scramble to find a horse you could ride for a while before it got shot
out from underneath you. It was a good career though with many
benefits and I have no regrets.


You'll have noticed that Krause got out of this thread pretty fast.
His bull**** didn't float long.


Hehehe. What an anal-yst you aren't. The reality is that once again I
got bored by Greg's over-responding, especially when he is working extra
hard to justify his right-wing prejudices.

Isn't there some ersatz bluegrass festival this weekend to which you can
tow your tin motel room? Or perhaps you can find another pistol you
can't shoot accurately...


Is there something of interest, to the group, you'd like to share about
your life?

[email protected] August 29th 14 04:22 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Friday, August 29, 2014 7:55:25 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/29/14 7:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


You'll have noticed that Krause got out of this thread pretty fast. His bull**** didn't float long.




Hehehe. What an anal-yst you aren't.


This obsession of your's with John isn't healthy. Seek help.

F*O*A*D August 29th 14 04:42 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/29/14 11:29 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:55:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Hehehe. What an anal-yst you aren't. The reality is that once again I
got bored by Greg's over-responding, especially when he is working extra
hard to justify his right-wing prejudices.


This from a guy who waxes on endlessly about his "higher education"
that ended during the Nixon administration.


You'd be wrong...again.

Wayne.B August 29th 14 04:44 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:29:05 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 07:55:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Hehehe. What an anal-yst you aren't. The reality is that once again I
got bored by Greg's over-responding, especially when he is working extra
hard to justify his right-wing prejudices.


This from a guy who waxes on endlessly about his "higher education"
that ended during the Nixon administration.


===

Heh, and it wasn't even all that relevant then. Too bad he wasn't
offered a good course in personal responsibility and civil behavior.

Wayne.B August 29th 14 04:50 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 01:00:35 -0400, wrote:

I built the back half of this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

===

Damn, that shed is built like the proverbial brick sh*t house!

:-)

Nice.


The pavers was my wife's idea. Centex threw away 20 driveways worth at
Cedar Glen in the Brooks and I got a bunch of them.
We have them everywhere, except on the ground.

The first thing we built was this fireplace on the lanai. She couldn't
wait until it was finished to try it out
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/JUDYFIR2.jpg\


===

You need to delete the back slash after .jpg

We also did the back wall of the garage, where the tiki bar is.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/tikibar.jpg


===

Nice signage. :-)

Speaking of technology changes, we're in the middle of Long Island
Sound right now doing about 10 knots westbound. The Manhattan
skyline is just emerging from the water in front of us and it's a
beautiful late summer day up here in the north country.

Harrold August 29th 14 04:58 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/29/2014 10:22 AM, wrote:
On Friday, August 29, 2014 7:55:25 AM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/29/14 7:41 AM, Poco Loco wrote:


You'll have noticed that Krause got out of this thread pretty fast. His bull**** didn't float long.




Hehehe. What an anal-yst you aren't.


This obsession of your's with John isn't healthy. Seek help.

We've told him time and time again about his mental issues. You'd think
his wife would be at least caring enough to get him to a competent shrink.

KC August 29th 14 06:01 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/29/2014 11:50 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 01:00:35 -0400, wrote:

I built the back half of this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg

===

Damn, that shed is built like the proverbial brick sh*t house!

:-)

Nice.


The pavers was my wife's idea. Centex threw away 20 driveways worth at
Cedar Glen in the Brooks and I got a bunch of them.
We have them everywhere, except on the ground.

The first thing we built was this fireplace on the lanai. She couldn't
wait until it was finished to try it out
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/JUDYFIR2.jpg\


===

You need to delete the back slash after .jpg

We also did the back wall of the garage, where the tiki bar is.

http://gfretwell.com/ftp/tikibar.jpg


===

Nice signage. :-)

Speaking of technology changes, we're in the middle of Long Island
Sound right now doing about 10 knots westbound. The Manhattan
skyline is just emerging from the water in front of us and it's a
beautiful late summer day up here in the north country.


God bless you, I hope I get to see that someday... safe journey...

F*O*A*D August 29th 14 06:16 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/28/14 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:42:51 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language may be helpful.


I got a pretty good schooling on laying block when I was building my 3
additions in Maryland. My contractor (and a personal friend) was
teaching his boy the trade and I was just another student/helper on
that job. I mixed mortar, stacked block on the scaffolds and laid
block to the line in the field.
If you get the mortar right, not as easy as it would seem, and you
understand the process, you can learn to lay block to the line pretty
quickly. Laying the piers in the corners and getting everything
started is a trick. Actually going fast only comes with experience.
I still think that a reasonably intelligent person could be a pretty
decent block mason in a summer. Brick may take longer, particularly if
you want to go fast.
\
I built the back half of this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg



Once the footers were poured and inspected, a retiree bricklayer friend
of mine, an active bricklayer and I did all the block work, including
steel reinforcement, over a two day weekend. They probably could have
done it faster without my "expert help". I mostly mixed mortar and
carried the block. The rest of the place was finished and buttoned up
over the course of the summer, including the installation of a wood
stove. Now, we have 'lectricity, finished interior walls, strip heat and
an A/C unit. It's still just a storage building, but we have slept out
there in it...there's a regulation bed. :)

http://tinyurl.com/m56ahrj

Harrold August 29th 14 06:55 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On 8/29/2014 12:16 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 8/28/14 10:16 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 18:42:51 -0400, Poco Loco
wrote:


I can testify to the fact that carrying concrete blocks all day does
not require a lick of training
or specialized skill. Buying a bag of mortar and following the mixing
directions doesn't take a lot
of skill either, although a little knowledge of the English language
may be helpful.


I got a pretty good schooling on laying block when I was building my 3
additions in Maryland. My contractor (and a personal friend) was
teaching his boy the trade and I was just another student/helper on
that job. I mixed mortar, stacked block on the scaffolds and laid
block to the line in the field.
If you get the mortar right, not as easy as it would seem, and you
understand the process, you can learn to lay block to the line pretty
quickly. Laying the piers in the corners and getting everything
started is a trick. Actually going fast only comes with experience.
I still think that a reasonably intelligent person could be a pretty
decent block mason in a summer. Brick may take longer, particularly if
you want to go fast.
\
I built the back half of this
http://gfretwell.com/electrical/bric...ed%20house.jpg



Once the footers were poured and inspected, a retiree bricklayer friend
of mine, an active bricklayer and I did all the block work, including
steel reinforcement, over a two day weekend. They probably could have
done it faster without my "expert help". I mostly mixed mortar and
carried the block. The rest of the place was finished and buttoned up
over the course of the summer, including the installation of a wood
stove. Now, we have 'lectricity, finished interior walls, strip heat and
an A/C unit. It's still just a storage building, but we have slept out
there in it...there's a regulation bed. :)

http://tinyurl.com/m56ahrj


How many of youse guys sleep on that regulation bed on any given evening?

[email protected] August 29th 14 08:46 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Friday, August 29, 2014 9:50:08 AM UTC-4, Harrold wrote:

Is there something of interest, to the group, you'd like to share about

your life?




God...I hope not.

[email protected] August 29th 14 08:48 PM

Time Magazine this week has a test for narcissism. Anyone listening?
 
On Friday, August 29, 2014 1:16:24 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

Once the footers were poured and inspected, a retiree bricklayer friend

of mine, an active bricklayer and I did all the block work, including

steel reinforcement, over a two day weekend.




Sure you did you ****ing LIAR.

**** OFF AND DIE.


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