On 7/13/14, 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:02:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You still haven't told us what a "real" .357 MAG round is, in terms of
bullet weight, powder charge, velocity, impact, et cetera.

The short answer is "pressure".
38s are generally limited to 16,000-17,000 PSI, the +P can approach
20,000 if you are using a modern firearm.
.357 can get you up to 35,000 and some guys even exceed that a bit.

The reality is ".357" was simply a marketing term.
A large frame .38 like my OM was the original .357 platform and it has
the same amount of metal in the critical places as the Python. It is
quite easy to get a .357 load in a .38 case with plenty of room to
spare. They made the .357 cases larger to keep them out of Airweights
and Chief Specials along with all of those antique guns that would
chamber a .38 spl. There are plenty of old .38s that are not even safe
with a regular sub sonic .38 spl.




Grrr. I know what a .357 MAG is. I'm familiar with the SAAMI pressure
loads. Bilious is the one who kept saying, "They're not real .357 MAGs,"
as if he could discern that from information not presented.

Most ammo manufacturers don’t publish the pressures of their rounds.
Sellier & Bellot says its .357 Magnum FMJ’s, the ones I use, achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1263 FPS, and smack with 560 foot pounds of energy
out of the muzzle.

I have a couple of boxes of Hornady 125 grain FTX ammo, which achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1500 FPS, and smack with 624 foot pounds of energy.

Either round probably will stop a usenet zombie.

Here's an interesting piece you might like to read:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/pa...literature.htm



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F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/13/14, 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:02:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You still haven't told us what a "real" .357 MAG round is, in terms of
bullet weight, powder charge, velocity, impact, et cetera.

The short answer is "pressure".
38s are generally limited to 16,000-17,000 PSI, the +P can approach
20,000 if you are using a modern firearm.
.357 can get you up to 35,000 and some guys even exceed that a bit.

The reality is ".357" was simply a marketing term.
A large frame .38 like my OM was the original .357 platform and it has
the same amount of metal in the critical places as the Python. It is
quite easy to get a .357 load in a .38 case with plenty of room to
spare. They made the .357 cases larger to keep them out of Airweights
and Chief Specials along with all of those antique guns that would
chamber a .38 spl. There are plenty of old .38s that are not even safe
with a regular sub sonic .38 spl.




Grrr. I know what a .357 MAG is. I'm familiar with the SAAMI pressure
loads. Bilious is the one who kept saying, "They're not real .357 MAGs,"
as if he could discern that from information not presented.

Most ammo manufacturers don’t publish the pressures of their rounds.
Sellier & Bellot says its .357 Magnum FMJ’s, the ones I use, achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1263 FPS, and smack with 560 foot pounds of energy out of the muzzle.

I have a couple of boxes of Hornady 125 grain FTX ammo, which achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1500 FPS, and smack with 624 foot pounds of energy.

Either round probably will stop a usenet zombie.

Here's an interesting piece you might like to read:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/pa...literature.htm




I am stating the shooter is not shooting a magnum load. He is shooting a
lightly loaded target round. Same case, but not highly loaded.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/12/14, 11:59 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/12/14, 5:15 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/12/14, 2:36 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 11:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 7:01 PM, Califbill wrote:
H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/11/2014 12:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 11:48 AM, True North wrote:
Imagine Johnny showing up at your place with the trailer.
Reminds me of that Chevy Chase movie where the redneck brother in law
pulls up and parks on the street in front of the house.


Herring wouldn't like our street. We have some folks in the
neighborhood with dark skin.


That why you keep all those large caliber firearms?


I don't shoot any "large caliber" firearms. The ones I do shoot are for
inanimate targets and right-wing zombies, of course.

357 magnum and 45 are not target rounds unless your target has flesh and blood.


They can be target rounds. And 357 mag is definitely a large caliber
round! .45 is bigger than a 44 magnum in diameter. Not as powerful, but
definitely a large caliber.


.357 rounds are about the same diameter as 9mm rounds. 9mm is available
with 147 grain and larger bullets. I shoot 125 grain and 158 grain .357.
It's not a large caliber round. I don't shoot .45 caliber.


Oh, and for FlaJim, who is about as ignorant of handguns and ammo as he
is of everything else, here's a vid of a fella shooting .357 Mags in
competition target shooting:

http://tinyurl.com/lyuxe6a

And another:

http://tinyurl.com/ofg4qwt



He is not shooting .357 magnum rounds. He is shooting very light loads.
Probably light for even .38 special. Little kick in the Ruger.


Gee, Bilious, just what *is* a .357 mag round, in your typically uninformed opinion?

I didn't see a "crawl" along the bottom of the vid indicating what powder
and how much was being used, along with the bullet weight. I shoot
standard, manufactured .357 Mag target loads, with 158 grain bullets.
They *are* .357 magnum rounds. There's very little recoil or muzzle flip
with my revolver. I do have some special self-defense rounds with a
lighter grain bullet, but I don't use them for target shooting.

This is yet another of those subjects about which you don't know your ass
from a hole in the ground.


Bull****. A 357 magnum round, unless very lightly loaded is a very
powerful round. You may buy light load target rounds, but other than
being called a 357, they are not magnums. Shoot light load 38 special, and
save more money, so you can pay your debts to society.



The manufactured .357 MAG ammo I buy is not a "light load target round."
It is .357 MAG, with 158 grain bullets and appropriate powder.
You don't have to be shooting 180 grain "buffalo bore" ammo to be using
"real" .357 MAG rounds.

And once again, Bilious, I ask you: just what are the specs in your mind
for a true, real .357 MAG round?

I shoot .38 specials and .357 mag rounds in my revolver. I'll stick to
the .357 mags for my rifle.




If that revolver does not kick nastily with a 357 round, it is not magnum
loaded. Plus the noise is a lot louder. I rarely shoot a 357 in my Colt.
I shoot wad cutter 38's.



Right, Bilious. As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. And
it isn't my problem that you are too weak-wristed to control a good .357 MAG revolver.


Yup, you are Jack Armstrong strong. Mr. atlas.


You still haven't told us what a "real" .357 MAG round is, in terms of
bullet weight, powder charge, velocity, impact, et cetera.


A hell of a lot more force than a 22rf or a 9mm. Or a 38 special out of
the same weapon.

On 7/13/14, 3:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/13/14, 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:02:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You still haven't told us what a "real" .357 MAG round is, in terms of
bullet weight, powder charge, velocity, impact, et cetera.

The short answer is "pressure".
38s are generally limited to 16,000-17,000 PSI, the +P can approach
20,000 if you are using a modern firearm.
.357 can get you up to 35,000 and some guys even exceed that a bit.

The reality is ".357" was simply a marketing term.
A large frame .38 like my OM was the original .357 platform and it has
the same amount of metal in the critical places as the Python. It is
quite easy to get a .357 load in a .38 case with plenty of room to
spare. They made the .357 cases larger to keep them out of Airweights
and Chief Specials along with all of those antique guns that would
chamber a .38 spl. There are plenty of old .38s that are not even safe
with a regular sub sonic .38 spl.




Grrr. I know what a .357 MAG is. I'm familiar with the SAAMI pressure
loads. Bilious is the one who kept saying, "They're not real .357 MAGs,"
as if he could discern that from information not presented.

Most ammo manufacturers don’t publish the pressures of their rounds.
Sellier & Bellot says its .357 Magnum FMJ’s, the ones I use, achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1263 FPS, and smack with 560 foot pounds of energy out of the muzzle.

I have a couple of boxes of Hornady 125 grain FTX ammo, which achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1500 FPS, and smack with 624 foot pounds of energy.

Either round probably will stop a usenet zombie.

Here's an interesting piece you might like to read:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/pa...literature.htm




I am stating the shooter is not shooting a magnum load. He is shooting a
lightly loaded target round. Same case, but not highly loaded.



You have no idea what the shooter is shooting. You're just guessing.

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anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/13/14, 3:51 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/13/14, 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 08:02:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

You still haven't told us what a "real" .357 MAG round is, in terms of
bullet weight, powder charge, velocity, impact, et cetera.

The short answer is "pressure".
38s are generally limited to 16,000-17,000 PSI, the +P can approach
20,000 if you are using a modern firearm.
.357 can get you up to 35,000 and some guys even exceed that a bit.

The reality is ".357" was simply a marketing term.
A large frame .38 like my OM was the original .357 platform and it has
the same amount of metal in the critical places as the Python. It is
quite easy to get a .357 load in a .38 case with plenty of room to
spare. They made the .357 cases larger to keep them out of Airweights
and Chief Specials along with all of those antique guns that would
chamber a .38 spl. There are plenty of old .38s that are not even safe
with a regular sub sonic .38 spl.




Grrr. I know what a .357 MAG is. I'm familiar with the SAAMI pressure
loads. Bilious is the one who kept saying, "They're not real .357 MAGs,"
as if he could discern that from information not presented.

Most ammo manufacturers don’t publish the pressures of their rounds.
Sellier & Bellot says its .357 Magnum FMJ’s, the ones I use, achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1263 FPS, and smack with 560 foot pounds of energy out of the muzzle.

I have a couple of boxes of Hornady 125 grain FTX ammo, which achieve a
muzzle velocity of 1500 FPS, and smack with 624 foot pounds of energy.

Either round probably will stop a usenet zombie.

Here's an interesting piece you might like to read:

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/pa...literature.htm




I am stating the shooter is not shooting a magnum load. He is shooting a
lightly loaded target round. Same case, but not highly loaded.



You have no idea what the shooter is shooting. You're just guessing.


Nope. I shoot a .357, so know the characteristics. Plus, he is shooting
completion. He is going to shoot heavy enough to score, but as light as he
can go, so he is on target again quicker. Look at the kick up on the
weapon. Definitely not a full load! Hell, he may be shooting wax bullets.
Safer for the spectators regards richoshet.

H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/12/2014 6:33 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 11:44 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 7:01 PM, Califbill wrote:
H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/11/2014 12:19 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 1:04 PM, Califbill wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/11/14, 11:48 AM, True North wrote:
Imagine Johnny showing up at your place with the trailer.
Reminds me of that Chevy Chase movie where the redneck brother
in law
pulls up and parks on the street in front of the house.


Herring wouldn't like our street. We have some folks in the
neighborhood with dark skin.


That why you keep all those large caliber firearms?


I don't shoot any "large caliber" firearms. The ones I do shoot
are for
inanimate targets and right-wing zombies, of course.

357 magnum and 45 are not target rounds unless your target has
flesh and blood.


They can be target rounds. And 357 mag is definitely a large caliber
round! .45 is bigger than a 44 magnum in diameter. Not as powerful,
but
definitely a large caliber.


.357 rounds are about the same diameter as 9mm rounds. 9mm is
available
with 147 grain and larger bullets. I shoot 125 grain and 158 grain
.357.
It's not a large caliber round. I don't shoot .45 caliber.


Oh, and for FlaJim, who is about as ignorant of handguns and ammo
as he
is of everything else, here's a vid of a fella shooting .357 Mags in
competition target shooting:

http://tinyurl.com/lyuxe6a

And another:

http://tinyurl.com/ofg4qwt



He is not shooting .357 magnum rounds. He is shooting very light
loads.
Probably light for even .38 special. Little kick in the Ruger.


Gee, Bilious, just what *is* a .357 mag round, in your typically
uninformed opinion?

I didn't see a "crawl" along the bottom of the vid indicating what
powder and how much was being used, along with the bullet weight. I
shoot standard, manufactured .357 Mag target loads, with 158 grain
bullets. They *are* .357 magnum rounds. There's very little recoil or
muzzle flip with my revolver. I do have some special self-defense rounds
with a lighter grain bullet, but I don't use them for target shooting.

This is yet another of those subjects about which you don't know your
ass from a hole in the ground.

Krause fancies himself as a small arms expert. Doubt his book learnin
makes him a good shooter though. What he does well is produce hot air.



He's a known liar. You can't believe anything he posts.

Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:56:17 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:08:13 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:12:38 -0500, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

357 magnum and 45 are not target rounds unless your target has flesh and
blood.
===

Actually I know quite a few guys who shoot targets with 45s. The
recoil is not that bad and they do their own reloads, usually on the
soft side. Shooting a 357 magnum for fun strains my credibility a
bit however.
My Kimber .45 is absolutely spectacular for shooting targets.
===

Oh absolutely, the Kimber 45 is a very sweet gun. Let me know if you
ever want to sell it. On the other hand, a 357 magnum, unless
downloaded to low velocity 38s, is a very unpleasant to shoot (except
Harry's of course).

My .357 has a long barrel and is compensated so it really has very
little recoil. My .44 Magnum is the same with an even longer barrel and
a 2X pistol scope on top. Very little muzzle flip.