On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:58:34 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:58:34 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

Means guns are not the problem!

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:04:46 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:58:34 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

Means guns are not the problem!

Means guns make it easier to commit murder.

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:04:46 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:58:34 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

Means guns are not the problem!

Means guns make it easier to commit murder.

Means that people murder. Just easier with a firearm. Pretty telling
when 1/3 of the murders do not involve firearms. Mass murder in China
involves swords. Look how many Timothy McVay killed, no firearm. 9/11 was
a mass murder. Box cutter knives. Killed how many?

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 16:02:51 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:53:06 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:04:46 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

Means guns are not the problem!

Means guns make it easier to commit murder.

So you have proved murders are lazy, that does not stop them from
being murderers tho.
They will find a way if they really want to kill
The same is true of suicides. The Japanese seem to find a way in spite
of virtually no guns

No, I'm just saying that guns grease the skids to mayhem and murder.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:40:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:02:33 -0700, jps wrote:


The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.


So you think if there were no guns, there would be no suicides?

Just look at Japan, one of your ideal countries. No guns and a much
higher suicide rate than the US.

The more you drill down on the numbers, the worse your case gets.

I have pointed out Australia many times. They got rid of most of their
guns and it had very little effect of on the slope of their murder
rate.

Well, we certainly did shift real quick there, eh? Went from 31,000
gun deaths a year coming out of my ass to, wouldn't it happen anyway?

And you're dead wrong about Australia, they've virtually eliminated
mass shootings from their society.

My point is, if guns make a country safer, we should be the safest
****ing country on the planet. They don't and we're not.

On 7/11/2014 2:11 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:40:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:02:33 -0700, jps wrote:


The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.


So you think if there were no guns, there would be no suicides?

Just look at Japan, one of your ideal countries. No guns and a much
higher suicide rate than the US.

The more you drill down on the numbers, the worse your case gets.

I have pointed out Australia many times. They got rid of most of their
guns and it had very little effect of on the slope of their murder
rate.

Well, we certainly did shift real quick there, eh? Went from 31,000
gun deaths a year coming out of my ass to, wouldn't it happen anyway?

And you're dead wrong about Australia, they've virtually eliminated
mass shootings from their society.

My point is, if guns make a country safer, we should be the safest
****ing country on the planet. They don't and we're not.



Greg said that getting rid of most of their guns has had little effect
on the slope of the murder rate in Australia.

Your rebuttal was that Australia has virtually eliminated mass shootings.

If both statements are true, the elimination of guns has had little
effect on Australia's murder rate. I think that was his point.

One thing that is totally ignored in this great gun debate is the
cultural and ethnic diversity of the United States compared to any other
country on the planet. It has both positive and negative ramifications
on our society. The "Great Melting Pot" isn't utopia.

Guns don't create racial intolerance, conflicts based on religious
beliefs, conflicts of cultural or ethnic traditions or the inner city
gang wars that Wayne accurately points out represents the vast majority
of gun related deaths. Personally I also think that the slow shredding
of unifying traditions that have been challenged by groups focused only
on their belief system serves to further polarize the country and puts
an emphasis on our cultural, religious and ethnic diversity as we slide
into a "progressive" liberal never-never land. We are slowly removing
the measuring sticks of our societal structure that includes the good
with the bad and replacing it with a free-for-all "anything goes"
mentality that is increasingly based on an entitlement philosophy.

So, going back to guns. They are not the *reason* for our problems.

On 7/11/14, 6:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/11/2014 2:11 AM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:40:45 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 20:02:33 -0700, jps wrote:


The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.


So you think if there were no guns, there would be no suicides?

Just look at Japan, one of your ideal countries. No guns and a much
higher suicide rate than the US.

The more you drill down on the numbers, the worse your case gets.

I have pointed out Australia many times. They got rid of most of their
guns and it had very little effect of on the slope of their murder
rate.

Well, we certainly did shift real quick there, eh? Went from 31,000
gun deaths a year coming out of my ass to, wouldn't it happen anyway?

And you're dead wrong about Australia, they've virtually eliminated
mass shootings from their society.

My point is, if guns make a country safer, we should be the safest
****ing country on the planet. They don't and we're not.



Greg said that getting rid of most of their guns has had little effect
on the slope of the murder rate in Australia.

Your rebuttal was that Australia has virtually eliminated mass shootings.

If both statements are true, the elimination of guns has had little
effect on Australia's murder rate. I think that was his point.

One thing that is totally ignored in this great gun debate is the
cultural and ethnic diversity of the United States compared to any other
country on the planet. It has both positive and negative ramifications
on our society. The "Great Melting Pot" isn't utopia.

Guns don't create racial intolerance, conflicts based on religious
beliefs, conflicts of cultural or ethnic traditions or the inner city
gang wars that Wayne accurately points out represents the vast majority
of gun related deaths. Personally I also think that the slow shredding
of unifying traditions that have been challenged by groups focused only
on their belief system serves to further polarize the country and puts
an emphasis on our cultural, religious and ethnic diversity as we slide
into a "progressive" liberal never-never land. We are slowly removing
the measuring sticks of our societal structure that includes the good
with the bad and replacing it with a free-for-all "anything goes"
mentality that is increasingly based on an entitlement philosophy.

So, going back to guns. They are not the *reason* for our problems.





My guess is that JPS believes guns do not make a country safer. I agree
with him.

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