jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:04:46 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:58:34 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

Means guns are not the problem!

Means guns make it easier to commit murder.

Means that people murder. Just easier with a firearm. Pretty telling
when 1/3 of the murders do not involve firearms. Mass murder in China
involves swords. Look how many Timothy McVay killed, no firearm. 9/11 was
a mass murder. Box cutter knives. Killed how many?

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:01:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

That crotch rocket racing is a topic in this month's AMotorcycleA magazine. Up here they've started
using the beltway, 52 miles long, as a race track. I've seen up to ten of them racing at a time.
They start at one exit and see who can get back the quickest. So far none have been killed, but it's
just a matter of time. They're giving bikers a hell of a bad name.

The left turn in front of the motorcycle is the most common of the car/motorcycle collisions. The
excuse is always, "I didn't see it coming." I can somewhat sympathize with the auto drivers. The
other day I almost did the same thing. The bike was black, the rider in black, and the background
was dark. Plus he was going very fast. It used to be that a headlight provided some warning, but
now almost every vehicle has headlights, so they're no help to motorcycles. Luckily I saw the guy
and hit my brakes at the last second. That incident kind of changed my attitude about the excuse
most used by auto drivers. I can understand it much better.

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

If you would go back and read the entire thread, you'll pick up the point.

If you still cannot do so, give me a shout and I'll happily explain it.

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:58:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:52:13 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:01:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

That crotch rocket racing is a topic in this month's AMotorcycleA magazine. Up here they've started
using the beltway, 52 miles long, as a race track. I've seen up to ten of them racing at a time.
They start at one exit and see who can get back the quickest. So far none have been killed, but it's
just a matter of time. They're giving bikers a hell of a bad name.

The left turn in front of the motorcycle is the most common of the car/motorcycle collisions. The
excuse is always, "I didn't see it coming." I can somewhat sympathize with the auto drivers. The
other day I almost did the same thing. The bike was black, the rider in black, and the background
was dark. Plus he was going very fast. It used to be that a headlight provided some warning, but
now almost every vehicle has headlights, so they're no help to motorcycles. Luckily I saw the guy
and hit my brakes at the last second. That incident kind of changed my attitude about the excuse
most used by auto drivers. I can understand it much better.

An old biker trick is to always watch the front wheels of any car you
are approaching. That will be the first indication of what they are
going to do. You will see the tire rolling before you see the car
move. If they are steering into a turn, they are thinking about going
and probably not looking at you.

That works very well for cars about to pull into your lane from the side. If a car is approaching
you, it's much harder to spot any tell-tale wheel movement. Best bet is to slow down and be ready to
stop.

....and get good at countersteering!

On 7/12/2014 11:02 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

If you would go back and read the entire thread, you'll pick up the point.

If you still cannot do so, give me a shout and I'll happily explain it.

Spoken like the true dedicated teacher you are. ;-)

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

On 7/12/2014 11:05 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
...and get good at countersteering!

Oh no! Here we go again.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson