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jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 12:04:46 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:58:34 -0500, Califbill
wrote:

jps wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 21:49:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 18:38:25 -0700, jps wrote:

I'm waiting for a Conservative Senator's kid to be shot accidentally
so that congress might reconsider closing sales loopholes and
instituting a mental health database and policy with some teeth.

===

Be careful what you ask for, that's my advice. It might turn out to
be an example of the cure being worse than the disease. The vast
majority of shootings occur in inner city ghettos and are drug
related. Those facts are indisputable whether we like it or not. Do
you really think that all of these drug selling gang members are going
to show up in a mental health database? More likely you or your
neighbor's wife, and the label will follow you around forever.

The vast majority are suicides, somewhere around 17 - 19,000 a year.

Murders are around 11,000 a year.

Actually murders over 16,000. Only 11000 via firearm.

So, 66%+ of murders are committed by gun. Very impressive.

Means guns are not the problem!

Means guns make it easier to commit murder.

Means that people murder. Just easier with a firearm. Pretty telling
when 1/3 of the murders do not involve firearms. Mass murder in China
involves swords. Look how many Timothy McVay killed, no firearm. 9/11 was
a mass murder. Box cutter knives. Killed how many?

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:01:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

That crotch rocket racing is a topic in this month's AMotorcycleA magazine. Up here they've started
using the beltway, 52 miles long, as a race track. I've seen up to ten of them racing at a time.
They start at one exit and see who can get back the quickest. So far none have been killed, but it's
just a matter of time. They're giving bikers a hell of a bad name.

The left turn in front of the motorcycle is the most common of the car/motorcycle collisions. The
excuse is always, "I didn't see it coming." I can somewhat sympathize with the auto drivers. The
other day I almost did the same thing. The bike was black, the rider in black, and the background
was dark. Plus he was going very fast. It used to be that a headlight provided some warning, but
now almost every vehicle has headlights, so they're no help to motorcycles. Luckily I saw the guy
and hit my brakes at the last second. That incident kind of changed my attitude about the excuse
most used by auto drivers. I can understand it much better.

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In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

If you would go back and read the entire thread, you'll pick up the point.

If you still cannot do so, give me a shout and I'll happily explain it.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:58:38 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:52:13 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:01:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

That crotch rocket racing is a topic in this month's AMotorcycleA magazine. Up here they've started
using the beltway, 52 miles long, as a race track. I've seen up to ten of them racing at a time.
They start at one exit and see who can get back the quickest. So far none have been killed, but it's
just a matter of time. They're giving bikers a hell of a bad name.

The left turn in front of the motorcycle is the most common of the car/motorcycle collisions. The
excuse is always, "I didn't see it coming." I can somewhat sympathize with the auto drivers. The
other day I almost did the same thing. The bike was black, the rider in black, and the background
was dark. Plus he was going very fast. It used to be that a headlight provided some warning, but
now almost every vehicle has headlights, so they're no help to motorcycles. Luckily I saw the guy
and hit my brakes at the last second. That incident kind of changed my attitude about the excuse
most used by auto drivers. I can understand it much better.

An old biker trick is to always watch the front wheels of any car you
are approaching. That will be the first indication of what they are
going to do. You will see the tire rolling before you see the car
move. If they are steering into a turn, they are thinking about going
and probably not looking at you.

That works very well for cars about to pull into your lane from the side. If a car is approaching
you, it's much harder to spot any tell-tale wheel movement. Best bet is to slow down and be ready to
stop.

....and get good at countersteering!

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On 7/12/2014 11:02 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

If you would go back and read the entire thread, you'll pick up the point.

If you still cannot do so, give me a shout and I'll happily explain it.

Spoken like the true dedicated teacher you are. ;-)

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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On 7/12/2014 11:05 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
...and get good at countersteering!

Oh no! Here we go again.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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wrote:
On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone.

Considering how many of those pools are simply a decoration (very
seldom ever used) it may be a very similar analogy.
A comment in a fiction novel I read. Very appropriate.

Just like despite hundreds of billions of dollars being spent, 'The War on
Drugs' has produced a net gain of zero. There are more drugs on the street
now than before and more people using them. All the police managed to do
with all their enforcement efforts is to drive the price of the product up
to the point where mothers are selling their kids to get high. Oh, yeah,
and a bunch of poor black kids are willing to kill a bunch of other poor
black kids for the money associated with selling the ****. But that's OK
because the cops really don't care about poor black kids anyway. So long as
they keep the rich white folks safe and sound, they're happy as hell."

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On 7/12/2014 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 11:52:13 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:01:30 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:50:40 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 21:13:10 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

You can make a far worse case against swimming pools.

===

That's an interesting point. We must lose at least a dozen or more
kids to swimming pools every year just in Lee County alone. And what
about the motorcycle toll? That's probably more like two dozen a
year.

Yeah, but that's only true if folks ride their motorcycles. If you don't ride them, they're damn
safe!

But I'll bet that more than 90% of those injured on motorcycles were riding them when injured.

===

South Western Florida has a particularly deadly mix of older drivers,
both cars and motorcycles, combined with very little helmet usage. The
most common accident that I see is a car making a left turn in front
of a bike that they didn't see for one reason or another. We also
have a fair assortment of younger bikers who like to race their crotch
rockets at 150+ in the middle of the night.

That crotch rocket racing is a topic in this month's AMotorcycleA magazine. Up here they've started
using the beltway, 52 miles long, as a race track. I've seen up to ten of them racing at a time.
They start at one exit and see who can get back the quickest. So far none have been killed, but it's
just a matter of time. They're giving bikers a hell of a bad name.

The left turn in front of the motorcycle is the most common of the car/motorcycle collisions. The
excuse is always, "I didn't see it coming." I can somewhat sympathize with the auto drivers. The
other day I almost did the same thing. The bike was black, the rider in black, and the background
was dark. Plus he was going very fast. It used to be that a headlight provided some warning, but
now almost every vehicle has headlights, so they're no help to motorcycles. Luckily I saw the guy
and hit my brakes at the last second. That incident kind of changed my attitude about the excuse
most used by auto drivers. I can understand it much better.

An old biker trick is to always watch the front wheels of any car you
are approaching. That will be the first indication of what they are
going to do. You will see the tire rolling before you see the car
move. If they are steering into a turn, they are thinking about going
and probably not looking at you.


My dad taught me the same thing with cars... doesn't matter what you are
driving..

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In article ,
says...

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

OK why not?

You folks want to lump in accidents, crimes and suicides to get a
spectacular number (JPs 31k)
Why can't we lump in all the other things that kill people?


"You folks." What does that mean? I did no such thing.
Sure, you can go ahead and include malaria deaths if that serves to
distract. JPS talks about gun deaths. You talk about swimming pools.
It just gun nut bull****.


You all still keep ignoring that the death rate by gun is actually
going down while the number of guns goes up and that the place where
violence is escalating is in a pretty small minority of the population
that is not politically correct to identify.

"You all.." WTF? Typical gun nut paranoia.
Prove that more people own guns. More likely gun nuts have more guns
than ever. It's their nature.
Since you gun nuts keep gun registration from getting done, you have no
proof of anything.
JPS gives real examples of gun deaths, but doesn't even scratch the
surface.
Why don't you start posting swimming pool deaths? Malaria?
Okay by me.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

===

If your goal is to protect children from accidental death, doesn't it
make sense to focus on the most common reasons? It is bull**** to
say otherwise. Everyone who has a favorite cause always uses
children to promote it because it provokes an emotional knee jerk
response. One of my favorite examples are the local wine distributors
who are opposed to internet sales. Their favorite rejoinder is: "But
what about the children?", as if there were a lot of underage, wine
drinking kids out there with their own American Express cards.

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On Saturday, July 12, 2014 12:14:34 PM UTC-7, Boating All Out wrote:


"You all.." WTF? Typical gun nut paranoia.


"You all?" Around here it's Y'awl

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:16:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

OK why not?

You folks want to lump in accidents, crimes and suicides to get a
spectacular number (JPs 31k)
Why can't we lump in all the other things that kill people?

You all still keep ignoring that the death rate by gun is actually
going down while the number of guns goes up and that the place where
violence is escalating is in a pretty small minority of the population
that is not politically correct to identify.

Calif Bill did in an earlier post. I'm waiting for the libs to slap him upside the head with the
'racist' charge.

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wrote:
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:14:34 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

OK why not?

You folks want to lump in accidents, crimes and suicides to get a
spectacular number (JPs 31k)
Why can't we lump in all the other things that kill people?


"You folks." What does that mean? I did no such thing.

When you lump your opinions in with JP you are going to be grouped
with him.

Sure, you can go ahead and include malaria deaths if that serves to
distract. JPS talks about gun deaths. You talk about swimming pools.
It just gun nut bull****.


It all depends on whether you just want to rail against guns or you
actually want to talk about how many kids die.

Look at the children who die from Whooping Cough these days. If parents
were that concerned about death, they would get the kids vaccinated!

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

You are being purposefully dense. Maybe we'll try again another day.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 14:16:05 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:55:35 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

There you go. Comparing swimming pools to guns. What's your point?
Get real. Why not trampolines and bicycles and canoes?
Gun nuts always have some bull**** to sling.
Anybody with sense sees it as bull****.

OK why not?

You folks want to lump in accidents, crimes and suicides to get a
spectacular number (JPs 31k)
Why can't we lump in all the other things that kill people?

You all still keep ignoring that the death rate by gun is actually
going down while the number of guns goes up and that the place where
violence is escalating is in a pretty small minority of the population
that is not politically correct to identify.

The percentage of people owning guns is going down, the people who own
guns are acquiring more.

If the number of guns promotes a safer environment, by all rights the
USA should be the safest place on the planet, next to Somalia.

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On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:28:23 -0700, jps wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 19:46:00 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 15:17:09 -0700, jps wrote:

In terms of odds, homes with guns are something like 7 times more
likely to have a gun-related death or injury,


You can make a far worse case against swimming pools. What's your
point?

You are being purposefully dense. Maybe we'll try again another day.

jps, the statistics continuously get you in trouble. Why not just come out and say, "I don't want
any of you guys to have guns. They're too much fun and my momma won't let me have one." Then you'll
feel so much better.

Have you and BAO shared phone numbers yet? You could commiserate with each other for hours on end,
whining about Krause and all his guns, and the fun he has with them, and the snickering he does
when you and BAO get all worked up about us 'gun nuts'.

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On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:58:08 -0400, wrote:

On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:30:36 -0700, jps wrote:

The percentage of people owning guns is going down, the people who own
guns are acquiring more.

To paraphrase BAO, cite that.

All we know is fewer people are admitting they own a gun. When you
consider the laws that are being passed in the blue states and the
questions being asked by insurance companies, doctors and landlords, I
have no doubt more people will say they don't have a gun.

The real issue is how many criminals own a gun and that will be most
of them.

You're now a denier. I get it. When you don't have the facts on your
side, refute out of hand. You did the same thing with the 31,000/yr.
figure and your denial was proven wrong.

Damn man, thought you had more integrity than that. Most of my
conservative friends who field an argument do so on fair grounds.

You attempt to write this off as a bunch of people lying about their
ownership, eh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us...anted=all&_r=0

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 20:33:04 -0400, wrote:

If you are just saying you want to ban all the guns and confiscate
them all, say it. Then explain how that will work.

===

That's exactly what he wants of course. All of the high minded talk
about children is just a pretext.