Question on boat...
 

Ok. here is the question... I really can't seem to picture a 20 foot
skiff on plane trying to figure out appx what angle of pitch it will
travel through the water at..

I can't imagine any more than 3-5 degrees once you get over the hull
wave, but I am not sure...

Here is my scenario. A 20 foot skiff with 10 degree deadrise (made for
lakes and protected water not a steep vee) at about a 3-1 length to
width ratio at the sitting waterline.. Can any of you give me an idea of
what pitch this boat might ride at with a outboard attatched to the
transom, no whalefins or other hull additives?

Thanks....

Question on boat...
 

On 7/6/2014 12:11 PM, KC wrote:
Ok. here is the question... I really can't seem to picture a 20 foot
skiff on plane trying to figure out appx what angle of pitch it will
travel through the water at..

I can't imagine any more than 3-5 degrees once you get over the hull
wave, but I am not sure...

Here is my scenario. A 20 foot skiff with 10 degree deadrise (made for
lakes and protected water not a steep vee) at about a 3-1 length to
width ratio at the sitting waterline.. Can any of you give me an idea of
what pitch this boat might ride at with a outboard attatched to the
transom, no whalefins or other hull additives?

Thanks....


I went on line and searched pictures and such and it looks to me like I
am looking at about 4 degrees pitch at plane for this hull. And if
that's the case, the numbers look real good for what I am looking to get
out of this boat.

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On 7/6/2014 11:31 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 12:11 PM, KC wrote:
Ok. here is the question... I really can't seem to picture a 20 foot
skiff on plane trying to figure out appx what angle of pitch it will
travel through the water at..

I can't imagine any more than 3-5 degrees once you get over the hull
wave, but I am not sure...

Here is my scenario. A 20 foot skiff with 10 degree deadrise (made for
lakes and protected water not a steep vee) at about a 3-1 length to
width ratio at the sitting waterline.. Can any of you give me an idea of
what pitch this boat might ride at with a outboard attatched to the
transom, no whalefins or other hull additives?

Thanks....


I went on line and searched pictures and such and it looks to me like I
am looking at about 4 degrees pitch at plane for this hull. And if
that's the case, the numbers look real good for what I am looking to get
out of this boat.

Is pitch something like bow rise?

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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On 7/6/2014 3:00 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:31 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 12:11 PM, KC wrote:
Ok. here is the question... I really can't seem to picture a 20 foot
skiff on plane trying to figure out appx what angle of pitch it will
travel through the water at..

I can't imagine any more than 3-5 degrees once you get over the hull
wave, but I am not sure...

Here is my scenario. A 20 foot skiff with 10 degree deadrise (made for
lakes and protected water not a steep vee) at about a 3-1 length to
width ratio at the sitting waterline.. Can any of you give me an idea of
what pitch this boat might ride at with a outboard attatched to the
transom, no whalefins or other hull additives?

Thanks....


I went on line and searched pictures and such and it looks to me like I
am looking at about 4 degrees pitch at plane for this hull. And if
that's the case, the numbers look real good for what I am looking to get
out of this boat.

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

Question on boat...
 

On 7/6/2014 7:32 PM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 3:00 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:31 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 12:11 PM, KC wrote:
Ok. here is the question... I really can't seem to picture a 20 foot
skiff on plane trying to figure out appx what angle of pitch it will
travel through the water at..

I can't imagine any more than 3-5 degrees once you get over the hull
wave, but I am not sure...

Here is my scenario. A 20 foot skiff with 10 degree deadrise (made for
lakes and protected water not a steep vee) at about a 3-1 length to
width ratio at the sitting waterline.. Can any of you give me an
idea of
what pitch this boat might ride at with a outboard attatched to the
transom, no whalefins or other hull additives?

Thanks....


I went on line and searched pictures and such and it looks to me like I
am looking at about 4 degrees pitch at plane for this hull. And if
that's the case, the numbers look real good for what I am looking to get
out of this boat.

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have.

build it and find out.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:32:26 -0400, KC wrote:

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

===

Most designs like that tend to ride fairly flat at full planning speed
but it will depend a lot on speed and loading.

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On 7/6/2014 10:52 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/6/2014 7:32 PM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 3:00 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:31 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 12:11 PM, KC wrote:
Ok. here is the question... I really can't seem to picture a 20 foot
skiff on plane trying to figure out appx what angle of pitch it will
travel through the water at..

I can't imagine any more than 3-5 degrees once you get over the hull
wave, but I am not sure...

Here is my scenario. A 20 foot skiff with 10 degree deadrise (made for
lakes and protected water not a steep vee) at about a 3-1 length to
width ratio at the sitting waterline.. Can any of you give me an
idea of
what pitch this boat might ride at with a outboard attatched to the
transom, no whalefins or other hull additives?

Thanks....


I went on line and searched pictures and such and it looks to me like I
am looking at about 4 degrees pitch at plane for this hull. And if
that's the case, the numbers look real good for what I am looking to
get
out of this boat.

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have.

build it and find out.


awesome answer....

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On 7/6/2014 11:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:32:26 -0400, KC wrote:

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

===

Most designs like that tend to ride fairly flat at full planning speed
but it will depend a lot on speed and loading.


Thanks... as I looked at google today I am starting to get that idea...
I did increase the deadrise to 13 degrees today but gave the bow a bit
more lift too and if I go ahead and make a slightly forward mount to
keep the prop under the hull, it should stay even flatter... thanks
Wayne, I was hoping you would pipe in here, assuming you see a lot of
boats in that size range...

Question on boat...
 

On 7/7/2014 1:33 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:32:26 -0400, KC wrote:

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

===

Most designs like that tend to ride fairly flat at full planning speed
but it will depend a lot on speed and loading.


Thanks... as I looked at google today I am starting to get that idea...
I did increase the deadrise to 13 degrees today but gave the bow a bit
more lift too and if I go ahead and make a slightly forward mount to
keep the prop under the hull, it should stay even flatter... thanks
Wayne, I was hoping you would pipe in here, assuming you see a lot of
boats in that size range...


You seem to be discussing two different things. The term "bow lift" is
usually used to define how high the bow rises when the boat is at a
particular speed, with the max rise just before it comes up on a plane.

The way you are using "bow lift" in your question appears to be related
to the pitch of the hull in the basic design of the boat.

That's what it sounds like to me anyway.

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On 7/7/14, 5:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2014 1:33 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:32:26 -0400, KC wrote:

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

===

Most designs like that tend to ride fairly flat at full planning speed
but it will depend a lot on speed and loading.


Thanks... as I looked at google today I am starting to get that idea...
I did increase the deadrise to 13 degrees today but gave the bow a bit
more lift too and if I go ahead and make a slightly forward mount to
keep the prop under the hull, it should stay even flatter... thanks
Wayne, I was hoping you would pipe in here, assuming you see a lot of
boats in that size range...


You seem to be discussing two different things. The term "bow lift" is
usually used to define how high the bow rises when the boat is at a
particular speed, with the max rise just before it comes up on a plane.

The way you are using "bow lift" in your question appears to be related
to the pitch of the hull in the basic design of the boat.

That's what it sounds like to me anyway.


He's not going to get much in the way of performance or bowlift of
"either kind" with a 25 hp outboard on a 20' long boat with an
approximate 6.5' beam and a hull with 13 degrees of deadrise at the
transom.


--
Ted Cruz & Herman Cain in 2016...
Because 'mericans deserve crazy.

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If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

Question on boat...
 

On 7/7/14, 6:52 AM, True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.


Weight distribution is also important. If Snotty is squatting in the
stern of that boat he wants to build, along with the outboard, two fuel
tanks and a battery, the boat will ride bow high at low speeds, and take
a long time to settle down on a plane, if it planes. I wonder how much
that boat will weigh.

--
Ted Cruz & Herman Cain in 2016...
Because 'mericans deserve crazy.

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On 7/7/2014 5:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2014 1:33 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:32:26 -0400, KC wrote:

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

===

Most designs like that tend to ride fairly flat at full planning speed
but it will depend a lot on speed and loading.


Thanks... as I looked at google today I am starting to get that idea...
I did increase the deadrise to 13 degrees today but gave the bow a bit
more lift too and if I go ahead and make a slightly forward mount to
keep the prop under the hull, it should stay even flatter... thanks
Wayne, I was hoping you would pipe in here, assuming you see a lot of
boats in that size range...


You seem to be discussing two different things. The term "bow lift" is
usually used to define how high the bow rises when the boat is at a
particular speed, with the max rise just before it comes up on a plane.

The way you are using "bow lift" in your question appears to be related
to the pitch of the hull in the basic design of the boat.

That's what it sounds like to me anyway.

When I say bow lift I am refering to exaggerated lifting strakes near
the bow to keep the bow higher in rough water... (hopefully)...

Question on boat...
 

On 7/7/14, 8:16 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/7/2014 5:02 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 7/7/2014 1:33 AM, KC wrote:
On 7/6/2014 11:20 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 06 Jul 2014 20:32:26 -0400, KC wrote:

Is pitch something like bow rise?

Yeah, that's what I am trying to figure... I have a program that will
show me waterlines and some simulations but I need to know about how
much bow rise I might have...

===

Most designs like that tend to ride fairly flat at full planning speed
but it will depend a lot on speed and loading.


Thanks... as I looked at google today I am starting to get that idea...
I did increase the deadrise to 13 degrees today but gave the bow a bit
more lift too and if I go ahead and make a slightly forward mount to
keep the prop under the hull, it should stay even flatter... thanks
Wayne, I was hoping you would pipe in here, assuming you see a lot of
boats in that size range...


You seem to be discussing two different things. The term "bow lift" is
usually used to define how high the bow rises when the boat is at a
particular speed, with the max rise just before it comes up on a plane.

The way you are using "bow lift" in your question appears to be related
to the pitch of the hull in the basic design of the boat.

That's what it sounds like to me anyway.

When I say bow lift I am refering to exaggerated lifting strakes near
the bow to keep the bow higher in rough water... (hopefully)...



You're going to end up with an underpowered boat that if it does get up
on plane, pounds on small waves. Even a much heavier 20' fiberglass
center console boat with 18 to 20 degrees of deadrise at the stern and a
really sharp entry at the bow is likely to pound in rough water in Long
Island Sound at decent planing speeds. I'm assuming by "rough water,"
you mean a patch of one foot waves on a lake or river.

--
Ted Cruz & Herman Cain in 2016...
Because 'mericans deserve crazy.

Question on boat...
 

True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer
would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my
current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although
I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

You probably should not have a Big Foot on a 16.5 boat.

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Really?
Maybe I should contact the manufacturer and my dealer to advise that Kalif Swill knows more than them.

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On 7/8/2014 6:01 PM, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer
would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my
current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although
I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

You probably should not have a Big Foot on a 16.5 boat.


Hey, hey, hey now.. Stop that! He is going through UpKrauseAss syndrome
and he thinks his stuff is better than yours just because it doesn't get
used:)

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True North wrote:
Really?
Maybe I should contact the manufacturer and my dealer to advise that
Kalif Swill knows more than them.

He probably had a big foot he needed to move.

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On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:01:10 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:

If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer

would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.

My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my

current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although

I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.



You probably should not have a Big Foot on a 16.5 boat.

Remember: donnie is a fool, and will believe anything his Dealer says....just like the DUMBASS he is.

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On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 10:01:33 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:

Really?

Maybe I should contact the manufacturer and my dealer to advise that

Kalif Swill knows more than them.



He probably had a big foot he needed to move.

BINGO!!!! but donnie the dumbass wouldn't know that....too stupid.

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On 7/9/2014 11:37 PM, wrote:
On Tuesday, July 8, 2014 6:01:10 PM UTC-4, Califbill wrote:
True North wrote:

If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer

would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.

My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my

current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although

I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.



You probably should not have a Big Foot on a 16.5 boat.

Remember: donnie is a fool, and will believe anything his Dealer says....just like the DUMBASS he is.

Donnie swore up and down that his Rave 4 was a twuck.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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....is a TRUCK...Stinky.
If you don't believe me, ask Toyota.

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On 7/10/14, 2:02 PM, True North wrote:
...is a TRUCK...Stinky.
If you don't believe me, ask Toyota.

Now I'm confused. I know three of the righties here as Larry, Moe, and
Curly, aka the Three Stooges. Who is Stinky? :)


--
Republicans . . . the anti-immigrant, anti-contraception, anti-student,
anti-middle class, pro-impeachment party that shut down the government
last year for no reason.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 14:22:25 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Now I'm confused. I know three of the righties here as Larry, Moe, and
Curly, aka the Three Stooges. Who is Stinky? :)

===

It's like the old joke about the poker game: If you don'y know who
the patsy is at the table, it's you.

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True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the dealer would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and my current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot although I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

Wonderful contribution.

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True North wrote:
Really?
Maybe I should contact the manufacturer and my dealer to advise that Kalif Swill knows more than them.


The dealer that sold you a boat with corroding metal? Great idea!

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On 7/17/2014 6:33 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
Really?
Maybe I should contact the manufacturer and my dealer to advise that
Kalif Swill knows more than them.


The dealer that sold you a boat with corroding metal? Great idea!

The dealer who advised Don that the boat wasn't designed for salt water
use and needed a work boat motor to push it. Yup, that's the one.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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On 7/17/2014 8:33 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
Really?
Maybe I should contact the manufacturer and my dealer to advise that
Kalif Swill knows more than them.


The dealer that sold you a boat with the wrong motor and corroding metal? Great idea!

There, I fixed it for you...

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On 7/17/2014 8:32 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the
dealer would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and
my current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot
although I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

Wonderful contribution.


He slipped..:) But he's still talking apples and oranges.... I am not
talking about a pointy skiff here...

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On 7/17/14, 10:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 7/17/2014 8:32 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the
dealer would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and
my current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot
although I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

Wonderful contribution.


He slipped..:) But he's still talking apples and oranges.... I am not
talking about a pointy skiff here...

You've been talking about a boat you aren't going to build.

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Well, our little Peter Pan/TinkerBell does live in Neverland where dreams are vivid.

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On 7/18/2014 4:30 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 7/17/14, 10:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 7/17/2014 8:32 PM, Earl wrote:
True North wrote:
If you bought a new boat in the size range he's talking about, the
dealer would try to sell you an outboard in the 100 hp range.
My 25 Johnson was fine on the 14.5 foot Yukon open aluminum boat and
my current 16.5 foot Fish and Ski runs well with the 60 hp Big Foot
although I could have maxed out at a 75 hp.

Wonderful contribution.


He slipped..:) But he's still talking apples and oranges.... I am not
talking about a pointy skiff here...

You've been talking about a boat you aren't going to build.

You can relate to that. The red barn, the owls, The Hatteras, The lobsta
boat. The bankruptcies, the house you couldn't pay for, the tax bills
you couldn't pay. The employees you were going to hire and pay
spectacular benefits to.

--
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the
government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of
taking care of them".
Thomas Jefferson

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Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't suitable for salt water....not the dealer.
If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.
You've caught the Snottie/Dickson stupidity virus.

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wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT), True North
wrote:

Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't
suitable for salt water....not the dealer.
If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.

That is why boat dealers are rated below used car dealers on the pond
scum index.

The salesman tells you what you want to hear to sell the boat and the
service department will not back it up.

That is why I dodge the whole dealer network and buy my stuff on the
internet. If I am not getting service, I certainly do not want to pay
for it.

I've had good experiences with boat dealer service departments.
--
Posted from my iPhone

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True North wrote:
Well, our little Peter Pan/TinkerBell does live in Neverland where dreams are vivid.

Whatever. Try posting properly.

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True North wrote:
Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't suitable for salt water....not the dealer.
If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.
You've caught the Snottie/Dickson stupidity virus.

Jeez, you got screwed and you still side with the dealer?

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On Friday, July 18, 2014 9:23:15 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:
Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't suitable for salt water....not the dealer.

If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.

You've caught the Snottie/Dickson stupidity virus.

YOU...are the stupid ass for buying a corroding Boat...DICKHEAD...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

How stupid will you be, running for your life, screaming like a little bitch?

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On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:02:19 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't suitable for salt water....not the dealer.

If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.



That is why boat dealers are rated below used car dealers on the pond

scum index.



The salesman tells you what you want to hear to sell the boat and the

service department will not back it up.



That is why I dodge the whole dealer network and buy my stuff on the

internet. If I am not getting service, I certainly do not want to pay

for it.

donnie is stupid. You forgot that.

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On 7/19/2014 3:38 AM, wrote:
On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:02:19 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't suitable for salt water....not the dealer.

If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.



That is why boat dealers are rated below used car dealers on the pond

scum index.



The salesman tells you what you want to hear to sell the boat and the

service department will not back it up.



That is why I dodge the whole dealer network and buy my stuff on the

internet. If I am not getting service, I certainly do not want to pay

for it.

donnie is stupid. You forgot that.


No we didn't, he reminds with each and every post..:)

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On 7/19/14, 8:17 PM, KC wrote:
On 7/19/2014 3:38 AM, wrote:
On Friday, July 18, 2014 11:02:19 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jul 2014 06:23:15 -0700 (PDT), True North

wrote:



Jeez Stinky, it was the warranty manager who said the boat wasn't
suitable for salt water....not the dealer.

If the dealer had said something I wouldn't have purchased the boat.



That is why boat dealers are rated below used car dealers on the pond

scum index.



The salesman tells you what you want to hear to sell the boat and the

service department will not back it up.



That is why I dodge the whole dealer network and buy my stuff on the

internet. If I am not getting service, I certainly do not want to pay

for it.

donnie is stupid. You forgot that.


No we didn't, he reminds with each and every post..:)


Funny stuff...the two dumbest dumb ****s in rec.boats, Slammer and
Ingerfool, commenting on someone else's intelligence.