On Monday, June 30, 2014 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Monday, June 30, 2014 8:26:57 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

That short stubby canoe reminded me of the ones you'd see in the Saturday cartoons many years ago.



I kinda got a kick out of it.



S'matter guys? Would it be different if I had a rusted old tin box sitting in my driveway, 364 days a year, or a lobsta' boat in my head, 365? What do you think of the Whaler design.. No, I am not looking for engineering advice from either of you two lubbers, but isn't it pretty?



I know Capt. Tom would hate it.. He hates anything but traditional sheer and waterlines on anything... I remember when I painted the smile on the traditional Gardner Skiff, he almost convulsed

My late grandfather used to build plywood boats. He built and sold a few of them back in the 60's. They looked similar to this:

http://boat4plans.de.vu/wp-content/upload/2013/12/boat/plywood-fishing-boat-plans-3.jpg

A guy who is a local "famous" fisherman was asking me about them last Saturday. Wanted to know if my dad still has the patterns. He said he knew of two of them that are still around. Dad says he probably has them, but doesn't know where. Unfortunately, dementia has taken him too far down at this point to even look for them.

Good luck with your project.

Scott, I think you should build them. I'm not up on hull design but the drawings look really good at least from my armature point of view.

On 6/30/2014 12:36 PM, wrote:
On Monday, June 30, 2014 11:30:23 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Monday, June 30, 2014 8:26:57 AM UTC-4, True North wrote:

That short stubby canoe reminded me of the ones you'd see in the Saturday cartoons many years ago.



I kinda got a kick out of it.



S'matter guys? Would it be different if I had a rusted old tin box sitting in my driveway, 364 days a year, or a lobsta' boat in my head, 365? What do you think of the Whaler design.. No, I am not looking for engineering advice from either of you two lubbers, but isn't it pretty?



I know Capt. Tom would hate it.. He hates anything but traditional sheer and waterlines on anything... I remember when I painted the smile on the traditional Gardner Skiff, he almost convulsed

My late grandfather used to build plywood boats. He built and sold a few of them back in the 60's. They looked similar to this:

http://boat4plans.de.vu/wp-content/upload/2013/12/boat/plywood-fishing-boat-plans-3.jpg

A guy who is a local "famous" fisherman was asking me about them last Saturday. Wanted to know if my dad still has the patterns. He said he knew of two of them that are still around. Dad says he probably has them, but doesn't know where. Unfortunately, dementia has taken him too far down at this point to even look for them.

Good luck with your project.


Dynamite Payson has the "10 and 1/2 foot pointy skiff" which looks to be
about the same. I have the Stanley Sie, a 12 foot Brockway Clone that
goes in the back of a pickup with the gate down...:

http://smallboats.com/stanley_sie.htm

That I could probably dig up the drawings for...

On 6/30/2014 12:56 PM, Tim wrote:
Scott, I think you should build them. I'm not up on hull design but the drawings look really good at least from my armature point of view.


Yeah, I like it to look good, and my idea of "good" is not traditional..
I love to put a exagerated Swampscott Proud on my skiffs etc... but long
flat plans on the bottom.

This one is designed to hava 10+degree vee, again, for protected waters
and in particular firelighting for crabs and as a swim deck too...

I think my old 25 is gonna' make it fly, and be soft on gas too.

I am still working out some of the negative angles on the outside of the
hull, as to how to connect them inside and still leave plenty of room
for water to move between bulkheads...

Just checked the basement and I have plenty of fiberglass tape, now I
have to go see if any of my goo suppliers are still around.

Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target?

On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote:
Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired h.p. target?



25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull
complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph
with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some
of you power boat guys can guess for me...

Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines...
That was the change I made was softening the chines.

http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html

Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar
with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how
this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates??

Thanks...

On 6/30/14, 4:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote:
Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about
building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired
h.p. target?



25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull
complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph
with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some
of you power boat guys can guess for me...

Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines...
That was the change I made was softening the chines.

http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html

Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar
with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how
this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates??

Thanks...

I had heavier runabouts when I was a young teenager with 18 hp motors,
and I'd get between 25 and 30 mph out of them. With a nearly flat bottom
and less weight, you should do better with a decent 25 hp outboard.
You're going to pound some at those speeds in anything more than a
ripple, and you might want to mount your battery and fuel tanks forward
of center.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote:
Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about
building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired
h.p. target?



25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull
complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph
with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some
of you power boat guys can guess for me...

Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines...
That was the change I made was softening the chines.

http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html

Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar
with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how
this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates??

Thanks...


These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find
more info on this Sailfish hull design.

This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the
traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original
13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the
Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little"
guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of
the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or
tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude.

My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat.
Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg

On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:45:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote:

On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote:

Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about

building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired

h.p. target?







25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull

complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph

with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some

of you power boat guys can guess for me...



Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines...

That was the change I made was softening the chines.



http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html



Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar

with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how

this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates??



Thanks...





These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find

more info on this Sailfish hull design.



This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the

traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original

13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the

Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little"

guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of

the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or

tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude.



My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat.

Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA.



http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg



http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg

Wow, I think 7 strakes is plenty for S+T The Sailfish sells "variable deadrise hull" which would take a different type of construction to be viable.. but I am looking for a lot of characteristics of that hull and I think I have them...

On Monday, June 30, 2014 5:45:47 PM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 6/30/2014 4:27 PM, KC wrote:

On 6/30/2014 4:18 PM, Tim wrote:

Scott that sounds good. I'm glad you're getting inthused about

building again. So the hull you were describing- what is the desired

h.p. target?







25-50 horse... 10 degree deadrise and long flat bottom, the whole hull

complete will be around 300-350 pounds and should easily hit 18-22 mph

with a 25 and who really knows with a 50, maybe close to 30? Maybe some

of you power boat guys can guess for me...



Again, it's the second boat down on the page, with the "soft" chines...

That was the change I made was softening the chines.



http://rowdymouseracing.com/whaler.html



Still would like to hear input from anybody out there who is familiar

with smaller power boats, skiffs and whalers as to any thoughts on how

this hull might work, and if I am on track with my above estimates??



Thanks...





These pictures probably won't be of much help but perhaps you can find

more info on this Sailfish hull design.



This is one we had a few years back. It was the Sailfish version of the

traditional Whaler hull design. I've had Whalers also ... the original

13' version and a larger, more current model. This Sailfish put the

Whalers to shame in terms of stability and ride. I am not a "little"

guy by any stretch of the imagination yet I could stand on one side of

the bow and haul up a lobster trap with very little movement or

tilting of the boat. It was powered with a 70 hp Evinrude.



My wife liked it so much she sorta took it over as "her" boat.

Pictures are of her using it off Scituate Harbor in MA.



http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish2a-1.jpg



http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy303/Eisboch/annasailfish3a.jpg


Wow, 6500 pounds My boat will not handle anything like that although I wish it would.. How long it that one, 17 feet??