TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best:) Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.

Everything is well on it's way to becoming obsolete. So what's new.

TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/14, 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 10:19:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.

I always wonder how people found their way around before they had a
GPS in their car.
I managed to drive around 50,000 a year in my "IBM Factory" job all
around the DC metro area and later the 5 county area around Ft Myers
with nothing more than a map and a good sense of direction.
I fear these GPS units will cause that skill to be lost like we have
done with all the other basic skills we give over to technology these
days.
Have you ever watched a kid (anyone under 30) at the counter try to
make change if the register was down?


It is sad.

I usually know where I am going in the car and how to get there.

My cell phone is useful on the Interstate when it is time to stop for a
meal and we want to know what is nearby, and not necessarily adjacent to
the highway. I do, however, use it in GPS call out mode when I am
crossing from Jersey to New York over the GW Bridge because of the
constant construction in that area.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/2014 12:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 10:19:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.

I always wonder how people found their way around before they had a
GPS in their car.
I managed to drive around 50,000 a year in my "IBM Factory" job all
around the DC metro area and later the 5 county area around Ft Myers
with nothing more than a map and a good sense of direction.
I fear these GPS units will cause that skill to be lost like we have
done with all the other basic skills we give over to technology these
days.
Have you ever watched a kid (anyone under 30) at the counter try to
make change if the register was down?


It is sad.

I usually know where I am going in the car and how to get there.

My cell phone is useful on the Interstate when it is time to stop for a
meal and we want to know what is nearby, and not necessarily adjacent to
the highway. I do, however, use it in GPS call out mode when I am
crossing from Jersey to New York over the GW Bridge because of the
constant construction in that area.

GPS call out mode?

TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best:) Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.



So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?

TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/14, 3:06 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/30/2014 10:19 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 9:45 AM, KC wrote:
On 5/29/2014 6:03 PM, BAR wrote:
In article , says...

On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a
TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you
can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control
volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the
display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display
as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel,
grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can
not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless
there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we
don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for
TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since
last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom
Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put
itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks
a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is
set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all
over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy
access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and
traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the
********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is
easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar
software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use
the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've
never
used it.

The nice thing about standalone GPS units is that you don't have to pay
the phone company to use them all of the time.



Not to mention my stand alone has a 6 inch screen so I can see it. I
would never be able to see my phone while driving and wouldn't want
anything bigger than my phone now in my pocket... But them libs always
know best:) Whatever's best for them is obviously best for everybody...


I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.



So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?




I don't take calls when I am driving.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

TomTom disappointment...
 

wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.

TomTom disappointment...
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/29/14, 7:35 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 28 May 2014 21:24:01 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/28/2014 1:10 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/28/2014 11:10 AM, KC wrote:
So my 8 month old TomTom **** the bed and was replaced by a TomTom Go
60. It's going back today. They totally closed the system so you can not
put in any personal way points, voices, color schemes, period. The
interface has also changed so the current time, voice control volume and
mute, next turn repeat, and several other settings that used to be
either on the display, or available with one touch of the display, deep
into the menu system which is unusable as is most of the display as Tom
Tom has decided we only need one color scheme and it's pastel, grey, and
even more grey. As much of a rant as this is, I *literally* can not see
the screen anywhere in my vehicle during daylight hours unless there is
heavy cloud cover and like I said, TomTom has decided that we don't need
any other options there... I spent a lot time with support for TomTom
and it's clear they have not addressed any of these issues since last
year, and don't intend to any time soon with the Go series Tom Tom...
so, it goes back today, so disappointed...

Thanks for the heads up. Sounds like Tom Tom is trying to put itself out
of business.
My new RV came with a Rand McNally GPS built in. It's OK but lacks a lot
of features that Garmin has. One thing I do like about it is, speed
limit changes are announced in advance, also road construction.

I took it back today and replaced it with a Garmin 65... It is set up
the way I would expect a nav system to be set up, accessable all over,
changable and add on colors available, nice interface, easy access to
all you need... I like it. Well, almost... I tried the one with Free
Lifetime Maps but I am trading it for the one with Maps and traffic.. I
do like having live traffic now that I have had it once with the ********...

The free lifetime maps is a good way to go. I still get traffic
information. We have an old NUVI
1450.



Standalone GPS units for cars are about as obsolete as your political
thinking. If you like Garmin products, its U.S.A. mapping program for
iPhones and iPads duplicates the features of those units and is easy to
update over wifi. I have that and a standalone Garmin unit, and the
standalone unit stays home. Apple and Google also offer similar software
programs, and they are pretty good and getting better. I usually use the
Google program. It has a live traffic option, I believe, but I've never used it.


Problem with the ipad, Google mapping, is you have to have a reliable 3G/4G
connection. Lots of areas, at least in the west don't. My complaint on
the built in Nav systems, is the cost of updates. My wife's Toyota is a
$169+tax update. You can buy a stand alone system for less. I have an
Alpine system in my truck, with Navionics maps and have not looked at
update costs.

TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/14, 4:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.



There are several ways to shut down the "phone function" on an iphone
without shutting down its data functions.

--
If right-wing assholes could fly,
rec.boats would be an airport!

TomTom disappointment...
 

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/30/14, 4:46 PM, Califbill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


So, what happens when you are in unfamiliar territory, in busy traffic,
paying attention to the GPS as you approach an important turnoff and ...

Your phone rings?


It doesn't matter, you are not supposed to answer the phone in the car
anyway. That does beg the question, why is it OK to be screwing around
with a GPS while you are driving?

In real life that applies to everything on the "smart dash" of a
modern car.
Years ago they came up with the push button radio so you did not have
the distraction of trying to find a station, then they replaced it
with one of the most attention distracting pieces of equipment in the
car.

You can answer the phone in all states I know, as long as it is hands free.
My truck has the built in blue tooth in the Nav system. But you are
correct in the map goes away and the voice guidance pauses while in a phone
mode. As to paper maps, great for suit ting somewhere and planning where
to go, but trying to read a paper map or Thomas guide while driving is
dangerous.



There are several ways to shut down the "phone function" on an iphone
without shutting down its data functions.


Could you translate your answer to my comments?

TomTom disappointment...
 

On 5/30/2014 12:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 30 May 2014 10:19:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



I'm sure your GPS will tell you "In 1.5 miles, turn right onto Stupid
Lane," the point being that usually you don't have to look at your 6"
screen. Also, there are phones out now with 5" screens. Stand-alone GPS
units for cars are well on the way to being obsolete.

Spoken by somebody who spends their time in a van, strapped in the
wheelchair row... I drive a lot of places where roads are very
congested, and driveways can be confused with roads, or one way streets
can be intersected to the main intersection and with a trailer I don't
want to make a mistake of taking the turn 400 feet ahead, instead of the
one 450... For huge north east intersections, the lane assist of the 6
inch screen is easy to check quickly to make sure you are picking the
correct of the 6 lanes ahead of you heading into NYC... I noted that I
don't want a bigger phone than the one I have but you are too stupid and
eager to drool over a presumed slight, you missed that part... Either
way, your google knowledge is as useless when it comes to GPS as most
other things you take on...

I always wonder how people found their way around before they had a
GPS in their car.
I managed to drive around 50,000 a year in my "IBM Factory" job all
around the DC metro area and later the 5 county area around Ft Myers
with nothing more than a map and a good sense of direction.
I fear these GPS units will cause that skill to be lost like we have
done with all the other basic skills we give over to technology these
days.
Have you ever watched a kid (anyone under 30) at the counter try to
make change if the register was down?



I drove for years for a Same day Mail Service out of Bradley, would see
Springfield, Boston, Hartford, Philly, Boston, then home on any given
day... I used an atlas from Staples... it did me fine but was not nearly
as easy as my GPS:)