On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:
On Monday, May 26, 2014 8:48:45 PM UTC-4, KC wrote:
On 5/26/2014 12:11 PM, Califbill wrote:

Poquito Loco wrote:

...and an airplane with everything working. Got in five or six flights

this morning, only one of

which ended up in a tree. Luckily, it was a small tree so I could reach

the airplane. No damage




either. Flying is fun, even if it's just a model airplane. The wind came

up so most of the flying

ended.



One guy had a beautiful model A-10, which he could fly much like the real

A-10 flies. However, as he

was trying to land it, a gust blew it off the track into a soccer goal

post. Busted a wing, landing

gear, and a few other assorted pieces. Hopefully it's fixable.



Lot's of fun!



Working on the boat in front of the house, wished I had the camera. B-24

doing tourist flights nearby. Struck me how small the planes actually

were. Considering the newer fighters and bombers.





There is a huge club, they were flying today in the wind right next to

one of our tracks. Petty cool watching the big planes play in the wind,

standing still and just flying up and down into the wind, holding

positition front to back, side to side, etc..

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.


Sorry, forgot the link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEg-IhVZoM

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 10:05:41 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:

On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:



Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw





I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the

models can do the same stunts she does.



I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.



Sorry, forgot the link.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEg-IhVZoM

Patty is great, no doubt. But models can do all that, plus lots more that she just can't do. Physics get in her way. :-)

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.


Not sure what you said cause I can't access the video right now but this
aircraft was flying horizontal, not vertical, just holding positition
against a 15 mile an hour steady wind...

On Tue, 27 May 2014 10:32:52 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.


Not sure what you said cause I can't access the video right now but this
aircraft was flying horizontal, not vertical, just holding positition
against a 15 mile an hour steady wind...

I know what you mean. See it a lot with pilots brave enough to fly in strong winds. Some of the
lighter planes can 'hover' with just a good breeze.

On 5/27/2014 11:04 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 10:32:52 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.


Not sure what you said cause I can't access the video right now but this
aircraft was flying horizontal, not vertical, just holding positition
against a 15 mile an hour steady wind...

I know what you mean. See it a lot with pilots brave enough to fly in strong winds. Some of the
lighter planes can 'hover' with just a good breeze.



I've flown in a Cessna 152 that's ground speed was negative ... meaning
it was moving backwards. This is when I was taking lessons. I was
heading back to the airport against a strong, steady headwind. I
commented to my instructor that the airplane wasn't making much ground
speed. He took over the controls and cut the throttle back, put the
flaps down by 10 or 20 degrees to "dirty" the air flow and, after a
minute or so told me to look down at the ground. The airplane was
moving backwards.

On Tue, 27 May 2014 13:40:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 5/27/2014 11:04 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 10:32:52 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable skill and practice.


Not sure what you said cause I can't access the video right now but this
aircraft was flying horizontal, not vertical, just holding positition
against a 15 mile an hour steady wind...

I know what you mean. See it a lot with pilots brave enough to fly in strong winds. Some of the
lighter planes can 'hover' with just a good breeze.



I've flown in a Cessna 152 that's ground speed was negative ... meaning
it was moving backwards. This is when I was taking lessons. I was
heading back to the airport against a strong, steady headwind. I
commented to my instructor that the airplane wasn't making much ground
speed. He took over the controls and cut the throttle back, put the
flaps down by 10 or 20 degrees to "dirty" the air flow and, after a
minute or so told me to look down at the ground. The airplane was
moving backwards.


Did you get your license? I've a niece taking lessons through a friend of her dad's. It's kicked
around in my head a bit.

On 5/27/2014 1:40 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/27/2014 11:04 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 10:32:52 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C airplanes
are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those extreme 3D
maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts, Cap232,
etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang on the
prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and shoot
straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and large
control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes considerable
skill and practice.


Not sure what you said cause I can't access the video right now but this
aircraft was flying horizontal, not vertical, just holding positition
against a 15 mile an hour steady wind...

I know what you mean. See it a lot with pilots brave enough to fly in
strong winds. Some of the
lighter planes can 'hover' with just a good breeze.



I've flown in a Cessna 152 that's ground speed was negative ... meaning
it was moving backwards. This is when I was taking lessons. I was
heading back to the airport against a strong, steady headwind. I
commented to my instructor that the airplane wasn't making much ground
speed. He took over the controls and cut the throttle back, put the
flaps down by 10 or 20 degrees to "dirty" the air flow and, after a
minute or so told me to look down at the ground. The airplane was
moving backwards.


I sailed my Hunter backwards once. Came mighty close to smacking a buoy
with my transom. That was a memorable event.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/27/2014 11:04 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Tue, 27 May 2014 10:32:52 -0400, KC wrote:

On 5/27/2014 9:33 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:43:59 AM UTC-4, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/27/2014 8:14 AM, John H wrote:

Maybe you were seeing some 3D flying also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVihCOt7jQw


I've seen this 3D flyer perform a few times. I can't imagine how the
models can do the same stunts she does.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say. Model R/C
airplanes are the only kinds of aircraft that can perform those
extreme 3D maneuvers, in fact R/C invented 3D. A full-scale Pitts,
Cap232, etc... just doesn't have the power-to-weight ratio to hang
on the prop practically motionless in the air, then power up and
shoot straight up. They aren't flying, but are using prop wash and
large control surfaces to stabilize themselves. It takes
considerable skill and practice.


Not sure what you said cause I can't access the video right now but
this
aircraft was flying horizontal, not vertical, just holding positition
against a 15 mile an hour steady wind...

I know what you mean. See it a lot with pilots brave enough to fly in
strong winds. Some of the
lighter planes can 'hover' with just a good breeze.



I've flown in a Cessna 152 that's ground speed was negative ...
meaning it was moving backwards. This is when I was taking lessons.
I was heading back to the airport against a strong, steady headwind.
I commented to my instructor that the airplane wasn't making much
ground speed. He took over the controls and cut the throttle back,
put the flaps down by 10 or 20 degrees to "dirty" the air flow and,
after a minute or so told me to look down at the ground. The airplane
was moving backwards.




I wouldn't have thought that was possible. I found a video of an
airplane with zero ground speed:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVfA_e3wfFE