Yo jps!
 

I didn't see any congratulations (or name calling) from you to Krause, so I can only assume you
missed this post!

On Wed, 14 May 2014 18:36:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

...my new Ruger, GP100 Model 1707 in .357 MAG/.38 Special. Hi-Viz front
sight, adjustable rear sight, ugly but comfy Hogue "Tamer" rubber grip.

Shoots sweet and straight. Obviously not for concealed carry. :)

http://tinyurl.com/lvoq6mx

Yo jps!
 

On 5/20/14, 10:33 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
I didn't see any congratulations (or name calling) from you to Krause, so I can only assume you
missed this post!

On Wed, 14 May 2014 18:36:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

...my new Ruger, GP100 Model 1707 in .357 MAG/.38 Special. Hi-Viz front
sight, adjustable rear sight, ugly but comfy Hogue "Tamer" rubber grip.

Shoots sweet and straight. Obviously not for concealed carry. :)

http://tinyurl.com/lvoq6mx


First-class zombie killer. And if you run out of ammo, grab it by the
barrel & bang 'em over the head.

Still looking for the *right* holster. Probably go for a crossdraw.

Bought a case of .357 MAG ammo, 12 boxes of 50 rounds each. Already had
a case of .38 Special ammo I had ordered previously. These calibers are
readily available via mail order, but in short or non-existent supply at
local hunting/fishing stores. Lots of .45ACP around locally, though.
Go figure.

Yo jps!
 

On 5/20/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:41:13 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

First-class zombie killer. And if you run out of ammo, grab it by the
barrel & bang 'em over the head.

Naah
For zombies, you need a 454 Casul



Too slow a cycle when you factor in muzzle flip and recoil. By the time
you take your second shot, you've been zombied... :)

Yo jps!
 

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:52:24 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:41:13 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:



First-class zombie killer. And if you run out of ammo, grab it by the

barrel & bang 'em over the head.



Naah

For zombies, you need a 454 Casul

That's a man's firearm. Definitely not for limp-wristed, panty-waisted liberal writer types. :-)

Yo jps!
 

On 5/20/14, 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:02:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:41:13 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

First-class zombie killer. And if you run out of ammo, grab it by the
barrel & bang 'em over the head.

Naah
For zombies, you need a 454 Casul



Too slow a cycle when you factor in muzzle flip and recoil. By the time
you take your second shot, you've been zombied... :)

Practice my man, practice.

You seem very hung up on this muzzle flip thing.
Once you build your muscle memory, you are back down on the target in
fractions of a second. That is the big difference between guys who
like slow fire at 25-50 yards and guys who do rapid fire strings at 7
or less.
Lately the only thing I have been doing is "extend and fire" a double
tap from the retention position with the gun starting in D/A.
That gets me used to both trigger pulls and creates the muscle memory
for an instinctive shot in bad light. It also reinforces taking your
finger from "safe" (along the slide) to being on the trigger ... and
back.
Most target shooters I see pick up the gun with their finger in the
guard! I assume they do the same thing when they hear a bump in the
night.
I have to admit, I did it too before guys like Ayoob started teaching
the finger along the frame thing.

Now it is the standard practice.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/elian-gonzalez.jpg

The only thing that is not scary in this picture


I was taught finger along the frame by the CCW instructor over in
Virgina. Never developed the habit of keeping a finger in the guard. Too
dangerous, especially with the CZ competition pistol I had.

I have a friend with a .454 casul and a short barrel. Muzzle flip and
slow cycling are issues. He says decent ammo for it is about a buck and
a half to two bucks a round. No thanks.

Yo jps!
 

On 5/20/14, 4:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 14:06:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:02:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:41:13 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

First-class zombie killer. And if you run out of ammo, grab it by the
barrel & bang 'em over the head.

Naah
For zombies, you need a 454 Casul



Too slow a cycle when you factor in muzzle flip and recoil. By the time
you take your second shot, you've been zombied... :)

Practice my man, practice.

You seem very hung up on this muzzle flip thing.
Once you build your muscle memory, you are back down on the target in
fractions of a second. That is the big difference between guys who
like slow fire at 25-50 yards and guys who do rapid fire strings at 7
or less.
Lately the only thing I have been doing is "extend and fire" a double
tap from the retention position with the gun starting in D/A.
That gets me used to both trigger pulls and creates the muscle memory
for an instinctive shot in bad light. It also reinforces taking your
finger from "safe" (along the slide) to being on the trigger ... and
back.
Most target shooters I see pick up the gun with their finger in the
guard! I assume they do the same thing when they hear a bump in the
night.
I have to admit, I did it too before guys like Ayoob started teaching
the finger along the frame thing.

Now it is the standard practice.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/elian-gonzalez.jpg

The only thing that is not scary in this picture


I was taught finger along the frame by the CCW instructor over in
Virgina. Never developed the habit of keeping a finger in the guard. Too
dangerous, especially with the CZ competition pistol I had.

I have a friend with a .454 casul and a short barrel. Muzzle flip and
slow cycling are issues. He says decent ammo for it is about a buck and
a half to two bucks a round. No thanks.


You really need to reload if you are shooting something like that.
I never really had an interest in one but I have shot them.
The one I shot had a fairly long barrel in a heavy hunting handgun,
scoped so the recoil wasn't as bad as a saturday night special Charter
.44 mag.
I bet that gun was 50 oz or more. It was a big chunk of metal to hold,
offhand. The guy who owned it said you really want a rest when you are
shooting it. At that point it is basically a carbine. A shoulder stock
might be the way to go.





I've read a few articles and watched a couple of videos on reloading. It
looks too tedious to interest me and several reloaders I know up here
have told me that the supplies sometimes cannot be easily found, even
via mail order.

I am saving my brass, though. More than one local reloader has expressed
interest in swapping brass for reloads on some yet to be determined
basis, although that makes me nervous because of the varying skills of
these guys.

I've tried three brands of speed loaders...HKS, Safariland, and Five
Star. I like the Safariland and Five Star...the HKS not so much.

Yo jps!
 

On 5/20/14, 7:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:35:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've read a few articles and watched a couple of videos on reloading. It
looks too tedious to interest me and several reloaders I know up here
have told me that the supplies sometimes cannot be easily found, even
via mail order.


Reloading is really for people who want a money saving hobby. If you
get a progressive multistation reloader with the foot pedal actuator,
it really goes pretty fast. I just used a single station RCBS loader.
It was still about a quarter, every time I loaded a round so it was
rewarding for a guy who didn't have a lot of money.
I also enjoyed working up rounds after I got my chronograph and a
range in the basement.


I am saving my brass, though. More than one local reloader has expressed
interest in swapping brass for reloads on some yet to be determined
basis, although that makes me nervous because of the varying skills of
these guys.


I tend to agree. As long as you are shooting light target loads, a
little fluctuation in the powder charge is not a huge deal but when
you are loading up around the max, I really want to do it myself

I've tried three brands of speed loaders...HKS, Safariland, and Five
Star. I like the Safariland and Five Star...the HKS not so much.

I have a couple of speed loaders for my OM but I am not sure I ever
used them. If you think you will be in that kind of situation, take a
semi auto.


I paid about .40+ cents a round for the case of .357s I bought, and the
..38 Specials are about a dime less. If you are saying reloading is about
..25 cents a round, and I shot a real ton of ammo, in the long run, it
might be worth doing. If the supplies were readily available, but that's
not my understanding.

I just have the speedloaders for play and to show off my clumsiness as I
empty the brass into a tupperware box and try to get the speedloaders to
load the cylinder, all within a short period of time. This new revolver
is much too big to be a "carry" sidearm.

Yo jps!
 

Poquito Loco wrote:
I didn't see any congratulations (or name calling) from you to Krause, so I can only assume you
missed this post!

On Wed, 14 May 2014 18:36:29 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

...my new Ruger, GP100 Model 1707 in .357 MAG/.38 Special. Hi-Viz front
sight, adjustable rear sight, ugly but comfy Hogue "Tamer" rubber grip.

Shoots sweet and straight. Obviously not for concealed carry. :)

http://tinyurl.com/lvoq6mx

Stainless is a good choice!

Yo jps!
 

On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 19:45:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 7:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:35:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've read a few articles and watched a couple of videos on reloading. It
looks too tedious to interest me and several reloaders I know up here
have told me that the supplies sometimes cannot be easily found, even
via mail order.


Reloading is really for people who want a money saving hobby. If you
get a progressive multistation reloader with the foot pedal actuator,
it really goes pretty fast. I just used a single station RCBS loader.
It was still about a quarter, every time I loaded a round so it was
rewarding for a guy who didn't have a lot of money.
I also enjoyed working up rounds after I got my chronograph and a
range in the basement.


I am saving my brass, though. More than one local reloader has expressed
interest in swapping brass for reloads on some yet to be determined
basis, although that makes me nervous because of the varying skills of
these guys.


I tend to agree. As long as you are shooting light target loads, a
little fluctuation in the powder charge is not a huge deal but when
you are loading up around the max, I really want to do it myself

I've tried three brands of speed loaders...HKS, Safariland, and Five
Star. I like the Safariland and Five Star...the HKS not so much.

I have a couple of speed loaders for my OM but I am not sure I ever
used them. If you think you will be in that kind of situation, take a
semi auto.


I paid about .40+ cents a round for the case of .357s I bought, and the
.38 Specials are about a dime less. If you are saying reloading is about
.25 cents a round, and I shot a real ton of ammo, in the long run, it
might be worth doing. If the supplies were readily available, but that's
not my understanding.

The difference is when you get to performance ammo that can be closer
to a buck a round.

I just shoot ordinary FMJs or JHPs. I'm not interested in deer, hog, or
bear hunting.




I just have the speedloaders for play and to show off my clumsiness as I
empty the brass into a tupperware box and try to get the speedloaders to
load the cylinder, all within a short period of time. This new revolver
is much too big to be a "carry" sidearm.

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?


I told you...for "play."

Yo jps!
 

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:11:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

We had a kid with mental problems shoot up a cafe in Seattle a couple
of years ago. I don't recall how many died and how many lives were
shattered as a result.

He had a CCP and his father pleaded with authorities to revoke it. The
state wouldn't since the son hadn't been committed. He'd demonstrated
poor judgement and a furious temper and had been acting erratically
but there was nothing the state could do and he hadn't gone far enough
to be committed.

Someone nixed him from the cafe for his irrational borderline behavior
and he went off.

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:28:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:11:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

We had a kid with mental problems shoot up a cafe in Seattle a couple
of years ago. I don't recall how many died and how many lives were
shattered as a result.

He had a CCP and his father pleaded with authorities to revoke it. The
state wouldn't since the son hadn't been committed. He'd demonstrated
poor judgement and a furious temper and had been acting erratically
but there was nothing the state could do and he hadn't gone far enough
to be committed.

Someone nixed him from the cafe for his irrational borderline behavior
and he went off.

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

What a hell of an idea!

If he commented on the blacks killing blacks in Chicago and elsewhere, he'd be a 'racist', so he's
got to go with the best he can come up with.

For each of his little stories, I can find several where guns saved the day for other folks. Never a
comment from him on those.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Yo jps!
 

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:11:20 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.


Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

Poor harold, still stuck with his lame attempts at 7th grade insults.

I find no issues with ejecting brass from a SA. If you use good quality loads in a properly maintained revolver, most will fall out without even using the ejector. I do realize that when you get older, your dexterity starts to fail. Perhaps you'd do better with a less demanding hobby... maybe stamp collecting.

Yo jps!
 

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.
Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

Yo jps!
 

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

Pssst. Wanna hear a secret? Many people bent on suicide *become* gun owners.

Sorta screws up that "stat" you read.

By hey, it's cleaner than them driving down the *exit* ramp of the local freeway, eh?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out wrote:

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.
Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.


Then what are you continuously whining about?

Show us your bull**** stat....sounds like something jps made up.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

If you wanted to respond to me, perhaps you could have addressed my
question. Do you ever answer a question? I asked for a cite about
11,000 gun deaths a year provided by "illegal gun owners."

Were they "illegal" before they shot someone or before?

Nearly half of gun deaths each year are suicides, should we expect
that'll be your fitting end when you've had enough?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

Pssst. Wanna hear a secret? Many people bent on suicide *become* gun owners.

Sorta screws up that "stat" you read.

By hey, it's cleaner than them driving down the *exit* ramp of the local freeway, eh?

He probably meant to say those who commit suicide by shooting themselves are 6 times more likely to
be gun owners...as opposed to 'gun borrowers'.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:06:49 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

If you wanted to respond to me, perhaps you could have addressed my
question. Do you ever answer a question? I asked for a cite about
11,000 gun deaths a year provided by "illegal gun owners."

Perhaps the 11000 was a made up number or perhaps it wasn't. But for sure there were well over 400
shootings in Chicago alone last year. I expect there are a lot in most of the other big cities also.
What percent of those folks do you think were 'legal' gun owners?

In any case, you didn't ask a question. You said, "Cite please." That's not a question.

Were they "illegal" before they shot someone or before?



Nearly half of gun deaths each year are suicides, should we expect
that'll be your fitting end when you've had enough?

Show us the cite for that statistic, would you please?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:



I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the
murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just
because we made them so easy to steal.

You are just swinging in the dark now.

And he won't respond to the posts which prove that.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:



I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the
murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just
because we made them so easy to steal.

You are just swinging in the dark now.

Where's your cite? 11,000 murders annually commited by "illegal gun
owners" is what I'm looking for.

Just tell me where you got that and stop deflecting.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:35:21 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:



I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the
murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just
because we made them so easy to steal.

You are just swinging in the dark now.

And he won't respond to the posts which prove that.

Prove what, you silly ass?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.

Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who
had a legal gun?


Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find
another way.



I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to
use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means.

Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban
on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way.

Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study


Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States
with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052



People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you
bet? Do you need an address to send it to?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.

Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who
had a legal gun?


Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find
another way.



I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to
use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means.

Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban
on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way.

Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study


Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States
with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052



People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you
bet? Do you need an address to send it to?

So where is the '6 times' bull****?

In high gun states, almost twice as many suicides are by firearms. In low gun states twice as many
suicides are by non-firearms. So where is the '6 times' bull****?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:47:18 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:35:21 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:



I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the
murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just
because we made them so easy to steal.

You are just swinging in the dark now.

And he won't respond to the posts which prove that.

Prove what, you silly ass?

Easy - that you are swinging in the dark.
(I won't call you names though.)

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:03:50 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.

Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who
had a legal gun?


Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find
another way.



I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to
use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means.

Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban
on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way.

Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study


Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States
with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052



People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you
bet? Do you need an address to send it to?

So where is the '6 times' bull****?

In high gun states, almost twice as many suicides are by firearms. In low gun states twice as many
suicides are by non-firearms. So where is the '6 times' bull****?

Not my quote, why not ask the person who said that.

You'd be laughed off the debate floor.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:05:09 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:47:18 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:35:21 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:



I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the
murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just
because we made them so easy to steal.

You are just swinging in the dark now.

And he won't respond to the posts which prove that.

Prove what, you silly ass?

Easy - that you are swinging in the dark.
(I won't call you names though.)

I back my **** up, dickbrain. You, not so much.

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:01:53 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:06:49 -0700, jps wrote:

If you wanted to respond to me, perhaps you could have addressed my
question. Do you ever answer a question? I asked for a cite about
11,000 gun deaths a year provided by "illegal gun owners."

Were they "illegal" before they shot someone or before?

Nearly half of gun deaths each year are suicides, should we expect
that'll be your fitting end when you've had enough?

That is not reported as a homicide.

Still avoiding backing up what you said. Pulled from ass?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:00:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

I guess the open question is where the drug dealers and other people
"on the street" got them.
I have no problem believing most of the illegal guns on the street
were stolen at one point and maybe more than once.
A lot of these thefts are never reported for various reasons. It
certainly would not be reported if the person having the gun stolen
was not supposed to have it in the first place (that is just about
anyone in Chicago, New York or DC, even if it was in the family for
decades).

Oh ****. 11,000 pulled from your ass. Will snotty and herring and
the rest of the crowd now accuse you of being a liar?

Yo jps!
 

On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:00:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

I guess the open question is where the drug dealers and other people
"on the street" got them.
I have no problem believing most of the illegal guns on the street
were stolen at one point and maybe more than once.
A lot of these thefts are never reported for various reasons. It
certainly would not be reported if the person having the gun stolen
was not supposed to have it in the first place (that is just about
anyone in Chicago, New York or DC, even if it was in the family for
decades).

I agree that most are probably stolen...from folks who've just been shot or other druggies.
Actually, I think I heard somewhere that those guns have been stolen about '6 times' more often than
not. ;)

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/2014 2:48 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?


He knows it, it's a liberal thing... Having no moral core and zero
accountability makes the things they say and do easier for them. Just
look at the "leadership" in DC for the best examples...

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/2014 3:06 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 14:48:22 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:45:51 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Your 'understanding' is bull****. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics firearms possessed
by prison inmates at the time of offense only about 9.1% in 1994 and 7.5% in 2004 were acquired from
theft or burglary. That's a far cry from your 'most' claim. Next tell me that prison inmates aren't
representative of the population committing murders. In 2004 more than 25% of the firearms acquired
by these folks came from drug dealers or others on 'the street'.

Be sure and pass on to your buddy, Krause the gun nut in BAO's opinion, that in both years less than
1% of those folks acquired their guns from gun shows.

Do you ever feel like you're just full of ****?

If you wanted to respond to me, perhaps you could have addressed my
question. Do you ever answer a question? I asked for a cite about
11,000 gun deaths a year provided by "illegal gun owners."

Were they "illegal" before they shot someone or before?

Nearly half of gun deaths each year are suicides, should we expect
that'll be your fitting end when you've had enough?


It would be your fitting end but like harry, you won't come out from
under a desk.... You talk big, nobody here believes a bit of it really...

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/2014 4:40 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:05:09 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:47:18 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:35:21 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:16:50 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:17:35 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:00:46 -0400, wrote:



I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.

I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people. Cite please.

Guns being sold in massive quantities without controlled distribution
and stuipd owners who do not lock them up is half the reason why it's
so easy for criminals to get their hands on a gun.

Most of them are stolen from "legal gun owners" from what I
understand.

Make up your mind, first you question whether people who committed the
murders did them with illegally owned guns, then you say it is just
because we made them so easy to steal.

You are just swinging in the dark now.

And he won't respond to the posts which prove that.

Prove what, you silly ass?

Easy - that you are swinging in the dark.
(I won't call you names though.)

I back my **** up, dickbrain. You, not so much.


LOL! Right... you back up your daydreams with lies... bfd.

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/2014 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:11:20 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.


Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

Poor harold, still stuck with his lame attempts at 7th grade insults.

I find no issues with ejecting brass from a SA. If you use good quality loads in a properly maintained revolver, most will fall out without even using the ejector. I do realize that when you get older, your dexterity starts to fail. Perhaps you'd do better with a less demanding hobby... maybe stamp collecting.


.... or making up stories on the internet:)

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/2014 3:26 PM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 11:41:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:29:07 PM UTC-4, Boating All Out wrote:

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

Pssst. Wanna hear a secret? Many people bent on suicide *become* gun owners.

Sorta screws up that "stat" you read.

By hey, it's cleaner than them driving down the *exit* ramp of the local freeway, eh?

He probably meant to say those who commit suicide by shooting themselves are 6 times more likely to
be gun owners...as opposed to 'gun borrowers'.


Makes sense, more people who walk upright in the US are shoe owners too:)

Yo jps!
 

On 5/21/2014 4:39 PM, jps wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 16:03:50 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:56:48 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 15:26:14 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 13:29:07 -0500, Boating All Out
wrote:

In article ,
says...

I do find it amusing that guys like JPS rail on for years about the
handful of "lawful gun owners" who shoot someone but are strangely
silent about the 11,000 illegal gun owners who kill people every year.
Then he blames it on the lack of more gun laws.


hehe. "Illegal gun owners." How many were "legal gun owners" before
they pulled the trigger?
What is the percentage of domestic violence gun homicides of the total?
Traffic altercations? Blah blah.

Dunno, do you have a valid stat ... and how many were by people who
had a legal gun?


Wonder how much more likely a "legal" gun owner is put a couple rounds
in the spouse. Course they could use a knife, but they'd probably get
their hands all bloody.

That sounds like the Australian experiment ... and they did just find
another way.



I suppose the government could just ban guns. That worked so well on
drugs.
Hell, why don't we just pass a law that makes murder illegal ...
problem solved.

I read a stat that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to commit suicide.
So the gov doesn't need to ban guns. Darwin will take care of it.
Slowly.

I bet that stat is actually that a gun owner is 6 times more likely to
use a gun to commit suicide than to use another means.

Again, the countries with the highest suicide rates have a virtual ban
on any private firearm ownership so they just find another way.

Bull****. Harvard School of Public Health Study


Suicides in the 15 U.S. States with the Highest vs. the 6 U.S. States
with the Lowest Average Household Gun Ownership (2000-2002)

High-Gun States Low-Gun States

Population 39 million 40 million

Household Gun Ownership 47% 15%

Firearm Suicide 9,749 2,606

Non-Firearm Suicide 5,060 5,446

Total Suicide 14,809 8,052



People in the US didn't "just find another way." How much did you
bet? Do you need an address to send it to?

So where is the '6 times' bull****?

In high gun states, almost twice as many suicides are by firearms. In low gun states twice as many
suicides are by non-firearms. So where is the '6 times' bull****?

Not my quote, why not ask the person who said that.

You'd be laughed off the debate floor.


You wouldn't get let in.... you are just to dishonest...