On 5/20/14, 4:06 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 14:06:05 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 1:58 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 12:02:11 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 11:52 AM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 10:41:13 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

First-class zombie killer. And if you run out of ammo, grab it by the
barrel & bang 'em over the head.

Naah
For zombies, you need a 454 Casul



Too slow a cycle when you factor in muzzle flip and recoil. By the time
you take your second shot, you've been zombied...

Practice my man, practice.

You seem very hung up on this muzzle flip thing.
Once you build your muscle memory, you are back down on the target in
fractions of a second. That is the big difference between guys who
like slow fire at 25-50 yards and guys who do rapid fire strings at 7
or less.
Lately the only thing I have been doing is "extend and fire" a double
tap from the retention position with the gun starting in D/A.
That gets me used to both trigger pulls and creates the muscle memory
for an instinctive shot in bad light. It also reinforces taking your
finger from "safe" (along the slide) to being on the trigger ... and
back.
Most target shooters I see pick up the gun with their finger in the
guard! I assume they do the same thing when they hear a bump in the
night.
I have to admit, I did it too before guys like Ayoob started teaching
the finger along the frame thing.

Now it is the standard practice.
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/elian-gonzalez.jpg

The only thing that is not scary in this picture


I was taught finger along the frame by the CCW instructor over in
Virgina. Never developed the habit of keeping a finger in the guard. Too
dangerous, especially with the CZ competition pistol I had.

I have a friend with a .454 casul and a short barrel. Muzzle flip and
slow cycling are issues. He says decent ammo for it is about a buck and
a half to two bucks a round. No thanks.


You really need to reload if you are shooting something like that.
I never really had an interest in one but I have shot them.
The one I shot had a fairly long barrel in a heavy hunting handgun,
scoped so the recoil wasn't as bad as a saturday night special Charter
.44 mag.
I bet that gun was 50 oz or more. It was a big chunk of metal to hold,
offhand. The guy who owned it said you really want a rest when you are
shooting it. At that point it is basically a carbine. A shoulder stock
might be the way to go.





I've read a few articles and watched a couple of videos on reloading. It
looks too tedious to interest me and several reloaders I know up here
have told me that the supplies sometimes cannot be easily found, even
via mail order.

I am saving my brass, though. More than one local reloader has expressed
interest in swapping brass for reloads on some yet to be determined
basis, although that makes me nervous because of the varying skills of
these guys.

I've tried three brands of speed loaders...HKS, Safariland, and Five
Star. I like the Safariland and Five Star...the HKS not so much.

On 5/20/14, 7:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:35:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've read a few articles and watched a couple of videos on reloading. It
looks too tedious to interest me and several reloaders I know up here
have told me that the supplies sometimes cannot be easily found, even
via mail order.


Reloading is really for people who want a money saving hobby. If you
get a progressive multistation reloader with the foot pedal actuator,
it really goes pretty fast. I just used a single station RCBS loader.
It was still about a quarter, every time I loaded a round so it was
rewarding for a guy who didn't have a lot of money.
I also enjoyed working up rounds after I got my chronograph and a
range in the basement.


I am saving my brass, though. More than one local reloader has expressed
interest in swapping brass for reloads on some yet to be determined
basis, although that makes me nervous because of the varying skills of
these guys.


I tend to agree. As long as you are shooting light target loads, a
little fluctuation in the powder charge is not a huge deal but when
you are loading up around the max, I really want to do it myself

I've tried three brands of speed loaders...HKS, Safariland, and Five
Star. I like the Safariland and Five Star...the HKS not so much.

I have a couple of speed loaders for my OM but I am not sure I ever
used them. If you think you will be in that kind of situation, take a
semi auto.


I paid about .40+ cents a round for the case of .357s I bought, and the
..38 Specials are about a dime less. If you are saying reloading is about
..25 cents a round, and I shot a real ton of ammo, in the long run, it
might be worth doing. If the supplies were readily available, but that's
not my understanding.

I just have the speedloaders for play and to show off my clumsiness as I
empty the brass into a tupperware box and try to get the speedloaders to
load the cylinder, all within a short period of time. This new revolver
is much too big to be a "carry" sidearm.

On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 19:45:35 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/20/14, 7:36 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 20 May 2014 16:35:46 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:


I've read a few articles and watched a couple of videos on reloading. It
looks too tedious to interest me and several reloaders I know up here
have told me that the supplies sometimes cannot be easily found, even
via mail order.


Reloading is really for people who want a money saving hobby. If you
get a progressive multistation reloader with the foot pedal actuator,
it really goes pretty fast. I just used a single station RCBS loader.
It was still about a quarter, every time I loaded a round so it was
rewarding for a guy who didn't have a lot of money.
I also enjoyed working up rounds after I got my chronograph and a
range in the basement.


I am saving my brass, though. More than one local reloader has expressed
interest in swapping brass for reloads on some yet to be determined
basis, although that makes me nervous because of the varying skills of
these guys.


I tend to agree. As long as you are shooting light target loads, a
little fluctuation in the powder charge is not a huge deal but when
you are loading up around the max, I really want to do it myself

I've tried three brands of speed loaders...HKS, Safariland, and Five
Star. I like the Safariland and Five Star...the HKS not so much.

I have a couple of speed loaders for my OM but I am not sure I ever
used them. If you think you will be in that kind of situation, take a
semi auto.


I paid about .40+ cents a round for the case of .357s I bought, and the
.38 Specials are about a dime less. If you are saying reloading is about
.25 cents a round, and I shot a real ton of ammo, in the long run, it
might be worth doing. If the supplies were readily available, but that's
not my understanding.

The difference is when you get to performance ammo that can be closer
to a buck a round.

I just shoot ordinary FMJs or JHPs. I'm not interested in deer, hog, or
bear hunting.




I just have the speedloaders for play and to show off my clumsiness as I
empty the brass into a tupperware box and try to get the speedloaders to
load the cylinder, all within a short period of time. This new revolver
is much too big to be a "carry" sidearm.

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?


I told you...for "play."

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:11:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

We had a kid with mental problems shoot up a cafe in Seattle a couple
of years ago. I don't recall how many died and how many lives were
shattered as a result.

He had a CCP and his father pleaded with authorities to revoke it. The
state wouldn't since the son hadn't been committed. He'd demonstrated
poor judgement and a furious temper and had been acting erratically
but there was nothing the state could do and he hadn't gone far enough
to be committed.

Someone nixed him from the cafe for his irrational borderline behavior
and he went off.

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

On Wed, 21 May 2014 09:28:42 -0700, jps wrote:

On Wed, 21 May 2014 12:11:20 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/21/14, 11:58 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 May 2014 08:29:35 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 9:18:33 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/20/14, 9:14 PM, wrote:

It takes longer to load a speed loader than it takes to load the gun.
If there is nobody shooting at you, why bother?

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.

You don't like SA's because they are too fiddly, but you "play" (fiddle) around with speed loaders?

Strange.

Speed loaders were promoted in the 60s and 70s as a way to prolong the
life of aging revolver technology in police departments. The
perception was advanced that these were as effective as a box
magazine. It never really caught on and as the power and effectiveness
of the moldy old 9mm round got better, the familiar old "police .38"
went the way of the horse drawn paddy wagon.
Unfortunately the thing that allowed cops to carry a 6 shooter for 100
years, marksmanship, went along with it. Now cops with double stack
9's just spray and pray, usually missing with more rounds than hit the
intended target. That is how 10 bystanders get hit trying to shoot one
gunman and unarmed people get shot 41 times (out of close to 70 rounds
fired)



JackOff still posts here?

Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

I don't have any trouble loading a cylinder with a speed loader, despite
my comments about unloading the empties into a plastic box while loading
the chambers at nearly the same time with a speed loader.

My thoughts about "carry" are evolving. I have no objection to concealed
carry generally, but I now think those who do should have to demonstrate
serious proficiency with a handgun and pass a serious psychological
exam. I've read the comments of too many retarded hotheads on gun
discussion boards to think that anyone who can fog a mirror should be
able to "carry."

We have a couple of bat**** crazy posters right here in rec.boats who
shouldn't be allowed near hand tools, let alone a concealed handgun.

We had a kid with mental problems shoot up a cafe in Seattle a couple
of years ago. I don't recall how many died and how many lives were
shattered as a result.

He had a CCP and his father pleaded with authorities to revoke it. The
state wouldn't since the son hadn't been committed. He'd demonstrated
poor judgement and a furious temper and had been acting erratically
but there was nothing the state could do and he hadn't gone far enough
to be committed.

Someone nixed him from the cafe for his irrational borderline behavior
and he went off.

Sensible gun control laws will never be written. We'll just keep
having more incidents like Cafe Racer where innocents are gunned down
by "lawful gun owners," ...until they're not.

Sensible gun control laws are all over the books. Look at Chicago and tell me how well they're
enforced.

On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:11:20 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.


Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

Poor harold, still stuck with his lame attempts at 7th grade insults.

I find no issues with ejecting brass from a SA. If you use good quality loads in a properly maintained revolver, most will fall out without even using the ejector. I do realize that when you get older, your dexterity starts to fail. Perhaps you'd do better with a less demanding hobby... maybe stamp collecting.

On 5/21/2014 2:21 PM, wrote:
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:11:20 PM UTC-4, F*O*A*D wrote:

I told you...for "play."

You shouldn't play with guns, or their accoutrements.


Yes, JackOff, I find SA revolvers "fiddly" to load and unload with that
damned loading gate and having to push the plunger every time to get
each piece of brass out.

Poor harold, still stuck with his lame attempts at 7th grade insults.

I find no issues with ejecting brass from a SA. If you use good quality loads in a properly maintained revolver, most will fall out without even using the ejector. I do realize that when you get older, your dexterity starts to fail. Perhaps you'd do better with a less demanding hobby... maybe stamp collecting.


.... or making up stories on the internet