Totally legal? No arrests...
 

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his
mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a
..32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.

The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun’s trigger,
which police said “could easily be pulled by almost anyone.”

The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He
underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.

The boy’s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or
charged.

Detectives executed a search warrant the family’s Pima County home and
reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including
shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the
headboard in the master bedroom.

The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but
one of the couple’s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,
and another said his father – who is the volunteer fire chief for the
Elephant Head Fire Department — didn’t remember the combination to it.

Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,
but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in
magazines.

Sharina Marion told police she didn’t know there were unsecured guns
in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.

Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept
on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a
counter below.

The Marions told police they taught their children – ages 3,7, 9, and
10 – firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with
parental approval.

The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he
shot himself at a “church shoot” with other members of their
congregation.

The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.

The children remain with their parents at home.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/12/14, 7:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his
mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a
.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.

The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun’s trigger,
which police said “could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�

The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He
underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.

The boy’s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or
charged.

Detectives executed a search warrant the family’s Pima County home and
reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including
shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the
headboard in the master bedroom.

The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but
one of the couple’s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,
and another said his father – who is the volunteer fire chief for the
Elephant Head Fire Department — didn’t remember the combination to it.

Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,
but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in
magazines.

Sharina Marion told police she didn’t know there were unsecured guns
in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.

Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept
on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a
counter below.

The Marions told police they taught their children – ages 3,7, 9, and
10 – firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with
parental approval.

The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he
shot himself at a “church shoot� with other members of their
congregation.

The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.

The children remain with their parents at home.

They have a lock up your gun law in the "gunshine state". Maybe
Arizona is just a little behind the times



"The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he
shot himself at a “church shoot� with other members of their
congregation."

Let's see. Three year olds firing weapons at a church shoot. Yeah,
because jesus, little kids, and guns make for a religious moment.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:
Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of

ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who

accidentally shot himself earlier this year.



The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his

mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a

.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.



The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun�s trigger,

which police said �could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�



The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He

underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.



The boy�s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or

charged.



Detectives executed a search warrant the family�s Pima County home and

reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including

shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the

headboard in the master bedroom.



The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but

one of the couple�s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,

and another said his father � who is the volunteer fire chief for the

Elephant Head Fire Department � didn�t remember the combination to it.



Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,

but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in

magazines.



Sharina Marion told police she didn�t know there were unsecured guns

in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.



Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept

on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a

counter below.



The Marions told police they taught their children � ages 3,7, 9, and

10 � firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with

parental approval.



The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he

shot himself at a �church shoot� with other members of their

congregation.



The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.



The children remain with their parents at home.

You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 7:17 AM, Tim wrote:
On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:
Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of

ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who

accidentally shot himself earlier this year.



The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his

mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a

.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.



The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun�s trigger,

which police said �could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�



The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He

underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.



The boy�s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or

charged.



Detectives executed a search warrant the family�s Pima County home and

reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including

shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the

headboard in the master bedroom.



The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but

one of the couple�s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,

and another said his father � who is the volunteer fire chief for the

Elephant Head Fire Department � didn�t remember the combination to it.



Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,

but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in

magazines.



Sharina Marion told police she didn�t know there were unsecured guns

in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.



Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept

on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a

counter below.



The Marions told police they taught their children � ages 3,7, 9, and

10 � firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with

parental approval.



The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he

shot himself at a �church shoot� with other members of their

congregation.



The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.



The children remain with their parents at home.

You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?



Su text and tv new video.

http://tinyurl.com/kgp6nlj

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:04:01 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 7:17 AM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of



ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who



accidentally shot himself earlier this year.







The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his



mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a



.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.







The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun�s trigger,



which police said �could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�







The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He



underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.







The boy�s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or



charged.







Detectives executed a search warrant the family�s Pima County home and



reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including



shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the



headboard in the master bedroom.







The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but



one of the couple�s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,



and another said his father � who is the volunteer fire chief for the



Elephant Head Fire Department � didn�t remember the combination to it.







Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,



but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in



magazines.







Sharina Marion told police she didn�t know there were unsecured guns



in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.







Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept



on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a



counter below.







The Marions told police they taught their children � ages 3,7, 9, and



10 � firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with



parental approval.







The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he



shot himself at a �church shoot� with other members of their



congregation.







The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.







The children remain with their parents at home.



You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?







Su text and tv new video.



http://tinyurl.com/kgp6nlj

Thank. I didn't know if this was legit or just another pass around story.

"Watch this video report posted online by KGUN-TV:"

KGUN? hmmm

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 8:15 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:04:01 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 7:17 AM, Tim wrote:

On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of



ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who



accidentally shot himself earlier this year.







The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his



mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a



.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.







The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun�s trigger,



which police said �could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�







The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He



underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.







The boy�s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or



charged.







Detectives executed a search warrant the family�s Pima County home and



reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including



shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the



headboard in the master bedroom.







The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but



one of the couple�s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,



and another said his father � who is the volunteer fire chief for the



Elephant Head Fire Department � didn�t remember the combination to it.







Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,



but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in



magazines.







Sharina Marion told police she didn�t know there were unsecured guns



in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.







Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept



on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a



counter below.







The Marions told police they taught their children � ages 3,7, 9, and



10 � firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with



parental approval.







The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he



shot himself at a �church shoot� with other members of their



congregation.







The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.







The children remain with their parents at home.



You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?







Su text and tv new video.



http://tinyurl.com/kgp6nlj

Thank. I didn't know if this was legit or just another pass around story.

"Watch this video report posted online by KGUN-TV:"

KGUN? hmmm




It's Arizona. Were you expecting "KTurnTheOtherCheek" News? :)

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 8:04 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?



Su text and tv new video.

http://tinyurl.com/kgp6nlj


No wonder Harry's mind is all screwed up.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:24:03 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 8:15 AM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:04:01 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 7:17 AM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:



Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of







ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who







accidentally shot himself earlier this year.















The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his







mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a







.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.















The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun�s trigger,







which police said �could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�















The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He







underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.















The boy�s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or







charged.















Detectives executed a search warrant the family�s Pima County home and







reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including







shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the







headboard in the master bedroom.















The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but







one of the couple�s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,







and another said his father � who is the volunteer fire chief for the







Elephant Head Fire Department � didn�t remember the combination to it.















Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,







but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in







magazines.















Sharina Marion told police she didn�t know there were unsecured guns







in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.















Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept







on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a







counter below.















The Marions told police they taught their children � ages 3,7, 9, and







10 � firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with







parental approval.















The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he







shot himself at a �church shoot� with other members of their







congregation.















The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.















The children remain with their parents at home.







You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?















Su text and tv new video.







http://tinyurl.com/kgp6nlj



Thank. I didn't know if this was legit or just another pass around story.



"Watch this video report posted online by KGUN-TV:"



KGUN? hmmm









It's Arizona. Were you expecting "KTurnTheOtherCheek" News? :)

Were you?

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 8:36 AM, Tim wrote:
On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:24:03 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 8:15 AM, Tim wrote:

On Tuesday, May 13, 2014 5:04:01 AM UTC-7, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 7:17 AM, Tim wrote:



On Monday, May 12, 2014 3:53:40 PM UTC-7, jps wrote:



Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of







ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who







accidentally shot himself earlier this year.















The boy apparently pulled a small chair up to a counter where his







mother was working on a laptop computer March 3 and found a







.32-caliber semi-automatic pistol.















The weapon was in an ankle holster that exposed the gun�s trigger,







which police said �could easily be pulled by almost anyone.�















The boy did pull the trigger and shot himself in the abdomen. He







underwent emergency surgery and survived the shooting.















The boy�s parents, Don and Sharina Marion, have not been arrested or







charged.















Detectives executed a search warrant the family�s Pima County home and







reported 20 unsecured guns scattered throughout the house, including







shotguns, rifles, and a Colt .45 handgun in a holster affixed to the







headboard in the master bedroom.















The family does own a gun safe, where several weapons were found, but







one of the couple�s four children said he knew the safe was unlocked,







and another said his father � who is the volunteer fire chief for the







Elephant Head Fire Department � didn�t remember the combination to it.















Most of the weapons found in the house were not loaded, police said,







but several had rounds in the chamber and others had rounds in







magazines.















Sharina Marion told police she didn�t know there were unsecured guns







in the home and said she believed the gun safe was locked.















Family members said the pistol used in the shooting was usually kept







on top of a kitchen cupboard, but they said it must have fallen to a







counter below.















The Marions told police they taught their children � ages 3,7, 9, and







10 � firearms safety and that they could handle the weapons only with







parental approval.















The 3-year-old had fired weapons under supervision the day before he







shot himself at a �church shoot� with other members of their







congregation.















The toddler told police April 17 that his parents had sold the guns.















The children remain with their parents at home.







You got a link for this article to any legitimate news source?















Su text and tv new video.







http://tinyurl.com/kgp6nlj



Thank. I didn't know if this was legit or just another pass around story.



"Watch this video report posted online by KGUN-TV:"



KGUN? hmmm









It's Arizona. Were you expecting "KTurnTheOtherCheek" News? :)

Were you?



From Arizona? KGUN seems appropriate.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.

Well, I supposed we can wait until some five year old drags his family
swimming pool to school and drowns 20 classmates and six teachers.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:26:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.

"A gun was improperly stored."

How about a couple of dozen guns improperly stored. There are stories
of kids killing themselves or their siblings, friends by accident
nearly every day.

Gun culture provides these opportunities. I guess I should be happy
about them, since they appear to be supporting Darwin's theory but
only when they kill themselves or their siblings.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 2:16 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:26:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.

"A gun was improperly stored."

How about a couple of dozen guns improperly stored. There are stories
of kids killing themselves or their siblings, friends by accident
nearly every day.

Gun culture provides these opportunities. I guess I should be happy
about them, since they appear to be supporting Darwin's theory but
only when they kill themselves or their siblings.

Mr nutso, the car culture is by far the most common of all kid killers.
Every time you get behind the wheel you run the risk of becoming a kid
killer. Take a taxi. Save a life. ;-)

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.



Valid points and there's no question that gun control advocates will use
this as a rallying cry for more strict laws and controls in general.
The bottom line however is that parents are responsible for the well
being and safety of minor children period, regardless of the kind of
dangers and should be held accountable if they fail to perform their
parental responsibilities.

In some ways I sorta wish that accountability extended to more than
tragic accidents. Teaching and setting examples of responsible
behavior is also a parental responsibility. It seems that the trend has
become to defend inappropriate behavior than to instill it in kids.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tue, 13 May 2014 15:06:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.



Valid points and there's no question that gun control advocates will use
this as a rallying cry for more strict laws and controls in general.
The bottom line however is that parents are responsible for the well
being and safety of minor children period, regardless of the kind of
dangers and should be held accountable if they fail to perform their
parental responsibilities.

In some ways I sorta wish that accountability extended to more than
tragic accidents. Teaching and setting examples of responsible
behavior is also a parental responsibility. It seems that the trend has
become to defend inappropriate behavior than to instill it in kids.

Apparently, gun culture mirrors the parental model employed by most
families. Each family is free to determine how it operates, only
restricted by the boundaries put in place by our society.

So, if your kid doesn't end up in the hospital or show up at school
with a broken arm or bruised body from mistreatment or disregard,
anything goes.

What you're suggesting would require some common sense laws, like
those that exist for driving a car. Use the privilege recklessly and
lose it.

Those idiots in Arizona have no business owning guns if they cannot
abide by common sense behavior. They endanger themselves, their
children and any guests by their stupid behavior.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tue, 13 May 2014 14:56:28 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 2:16 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:26:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.

"A gun was improperly stored."

How about a couple of dozen guns improperly stored. There are stories
of kids killing themselves or their siblings, friends by accident
nearly every day.

Gun culture provides these opportunities. I guess I should be happy
about them, since they appear to be supporting Darwin's theory but
only when they kill themselves or their siblings.

Mr nutso, the car culture is by far the most common of all kid killers.
Every time you get behind the wheel you run the risk of becoming a kid
killer. Take a taxi. Save a life. ;-)

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 3:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 15:06:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.



Valid points and there's no question that gun control advocates will use
this as a rallying cry for more strict laws and controls in general.
The bottom line however is that parents are responsible for the well
being and safety of minor children period, regardless of the kind of
dangers and should be held accountable if they fail to perform their
parental responsibilities.

In some ways I sorta wish that accountability extended to more than
tragic accidents. Teaching and setting examples of responsible
behavior is also a parental responsibility. It seems that the trend has
become to defend inappropriate behavior than to instill it in kids.

Apparently, gun culture mirrors the parental model employed by most
families. Each family is free to determine how it operates, only
restricted by the boundaries put in place by our society.

So, if your kid doesn't end up in the hospital or show up at school
with a broken arm or bruised body from mistreatment or disregard,
anything goes.

What you're suggesting would require some common sense laws, like
those that exist for driving a car. Use the privilege recklessly and
lose it.

Those idiots in Arizona have no business owning guns if they cannot
abide by common sense behavior. They endanger themselves, their
children and any guests by their stupid behavior.



I think the mistake you are making in your assumptions is that the "gun
culture" in places like Arizona or Texas is the same as that in your
part of the world or mine. They aren't. Having firearms in those
communities is as common as a swimming pool in your back yard. Well,
maybe not *your* backyard but in many areas of the country.

As a sidebar note, having permits, legal fencing and meeting all the
lawful safety requirements of having a swimming pool does *not*
necessarily cause the pool owner to be held harmless in the event of an
accident, injury or death regardless of the victim's age. This was
explained to me years ago by my attorney. The only "hold harmless" law
that automatically protects the property owner against litigation are
old laws related to equestrian activities and only if notice of such are
posted.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 14:56:28 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 2:16 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:26:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.

"A gun was improperly stored."

How about a couple of dozen guns improperly stored. There are stories
of kids killing themselves or their siblings, friends by accident
nearly every day.

Gun culture provides these opportunities. I guess I should be happy
about them, since they appear to be supporting Darwin's theory but
only when they kill themselves or their siblings.

Mr nutso, the car culture is by far the most common of all kid killers.
Every time you get behind the wheel you run the risk of becoming a kid
killer. Take a taxi. Save a life. ;-)

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.

Cars are very efficient killers. That's what's called unintended
consequenes. Dummy!

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 4:41 PM, H*a*r*r*o*l*d wrote:
On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 14:56:28 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 2:16 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 13:26:25 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of
rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.

"A gun was improperly stored."

How about a couple of dozen guns improperly stored. There are stories
of kids killing themselves or their siblings, friends by accident
nearly every day.

Gun culture provides these opportunities. I guess I should be happy
about them, since they appear to be supporting Darwin's theory but
only when they kill themselves or their siblings.

Mr nutso, the car culture is by far the most common of all kid killers.
Every time you get behind the wheel you run the risk of becoming a kid
killer. Take a taxi. Save a life. ;-)

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.

Cars are very efficient killers. That's what's called unintended
consequenes. Dummy!


One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.

Guns are designed to propel bullets under controlled circumstances. When
guns are monkeyed with, like your CZ, the circumstances might be less
controlled and possibly unpredictable. I suppose that's why you got rid
of it. ;-)

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/13/14, 7:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill.

I've never seen any valid stats that indicate that any significant
number of law abiding *civilian* citizens has faced down anyone trying
to kill them. And by valid, I don't mean the pseudo studies conducted by
firearms acolytes.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Tue, 13 May 2014 15:44:15 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:30 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 15:06:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 1:26 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 12:21:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/13/14, 12:10 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2014 15:53:40 -0700, jps wrote:

Investigators found nearly two dozen guns and thousands of rounds of
ammunition lying around the Arizona home of a 3-year-old boy who
accidentally shot himself earlier this year.

I am totally in favor of the laws that require people to keep their
guns locked up but it is the law in every state to secure your
swimming pool, yet drowning is the most frequent cause of accidental
death in toddlers (1-5) and I do not see JPS or any of the other
lefties here demanding that those parents go to jail.
In fact gun deaths end up down in "other" in the tables for pre
adolescents (CDC WISQARS database) but from the hysteria, you would
think they were being killed in droves.



Right because everything is equal, right, right, right?


The question is why you "hysterians" think a kid dying from a gun
accident where the gun was improperly stored is any worse that dying
in a car, when they were illegally unrestrained, dying in an illegally
unprotected swimming pool or being poisoned from improperly stored
chemicals, in spite of the FACT that gun accidents barely move the
needle on the gauge of child deaths.
I would post sensational news stories of these other types of
accidents but they are not even unusual enough to make the news.
More toddlers are killed or injured from detergent pods than firearms
but they are still being advertised on TV and I see them in every
grocery store.

This story JPS posted is purely agenda based hysteria, not backed any
kind of reality.



Valid points and there's no question that gun control advocates will use
this as a rallying cry for more strict laws and controls in general.
The bottom line however is that parents are responsible for the well
being and safety of minor children period, regardless of the kind of
dangers and should be held accountable if they fail to perform their
parental responsibilities.

In some ways I sorta wish that accountability extended to more than
tragic accidents. Teaching and setting examples of responsible
behavior is also a parental responsibility. It seems that the trend has
become to defend inappropriate behavior than to instill it in kids.

Apparently, gun culture mirrors the parental model employed by most
families. Each family is free to determine how it operates, only
restricted by the boundaries put in place by our society.

So, if your kid doesn't end up in the hospital or show up at school
with a broken arm or bruised body from mistreatment or disregard,
anything goes.

What you're suggesting would require some common sense laws, like
those that exist for driving a car. Use the privilege recklessly and
lose it.

Those idiots in Arizona have no business owning guns if they cannot
abide by common sense behavior. They endanger themselves, their
children and any guests by their stupid behavior.



I think the mistake you are making in your assumptions is that the "gun
culture" in places like Arizona or Texas is the same as that in your
part of the world or mine. They aren't. Having firearms in those
communities is as common as a swimming pool in your back yard. Well,
maybe not *your* backyard but in many areas of the country.

As a sidebar note, having permits, legal fencing and meeting all the
lawful safety requirements of having a swimming pool does *not*
necessarily cause the pool owner to be held harmless in the event of an
accident, injury or death regardless of the victim's age. This was
explained to me years ago by my attorney. The only "hold harmless" law
that automatically protects the property owner against litigation are
old laws related to equestrian activities and only if notice of such are
posted.

Ah, yes. It's important that we protect those who might engage in
dressage without a permit.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Thu, 15 May 2014 20:05:02 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I don't believe you will get an honest answer from JPS. He most likely
owns a handgun himself and with his inflated view of himself he may
believe that he is smart enough to own it but, the rest of the people
are not of his high caliber of mental and intellectual capacity to even
look at a firearm.

Bertie poop, nearly all wrong. I sold my 6 shot revolver before we
had kids. I don't have guns in the house.

I don't put myself in situations that would have hostility visiting my
house, live in a good neighborhood, keep my house secure and figure
that I can use my brains to get my family out of trouble if need be. I
would certainly take another's life by whatever means available or
sacrafice my own if my wife or kids were threatened.

I don't live my life scared of the boogeyman.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 3:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.


I agree. I have a few firearms, and I was not even slightly
inconvenienced in terms of restrictions, paperwork, or wait periods in
purchasing them.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 3:33 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 20:05:02 -0400, BAR wrote:

In article ,
says...

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I don't believe you will get an honest answer from JPS. He most likely
owns a handgun himself and with his inflated view of himself he may
believe that he is smart enough to own it but, the rest of the people
are not of his high caliber of mental and intellectual capacity to even
look at a firearm.

Bertie poop, nearly all wrong. I sold my 6 shot revolver before we
had kids. I don't have guns in the house.

I don't put myself in situations that would have hostility visiting my
house, live in a good neighborhood, keep my house secure and figure
that I can use my brains to get my family out of trouble if need be. I
would certainly take another's life by whatever means available or
sacrafice my own if my wife or kids were threatened.

I don't live my life scared of the boogeyman.



Bertiepoop lives in a safe neighborhood, but those Tea Party/Bircher
meetings he attends...anyone can get shot there. :)

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:27:29 -0700, jps wrote:

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

You don't think Marissa Alexander was treated harshly enough?


Hey, she's not a "white guy" like your friendly neighborhood shooter,
Zimmerman. Three 20 year terms for trying to scare off her husband, the
spousal abuser.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/2014 3:27 PM, jps wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?



I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

Reasonable. Many states (including my own) have such statutes on the
books with more being added every year (like Maryland, New York, New
Jersey).

How about concealed carry permits? Does being able to defend yourself
extend beyond your home in your view?

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/2014 3:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

So you have a gun(s). Yup, I knew it.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Fri, 16 May 2014 16:02:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/16/14, 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:27:29 -0700, jps wrote:

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

You don't think Marissa Alexander was treated harshly enough?


Hey, she's not a "white guy" like your friendly neighborhood shooter,
Zimmerman. Three 20 year terms for trying to scare off her husband, the
spousal abuser.

If she'd have been a white blonde and her husband black and abusive,
she'd be doing television promos for a car dealership somewhere in
Florida wearin' a sexy getup and sportin' a six shooter.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On Fri, 16 May 2014 16:35:50 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/16/2014 3:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

So you have a gun(s). Yup, I knew it.

You either don't read very much or real good.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 4:44 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2014 16:02:31 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 5/16/14, 3:40 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2014 12:27:29 -0700, jps wrote:

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

You don't think Marissa Alexander was treated harshly enough?


Hey, she's not a "white guy" like your friendly neighborhood shooter,
Zimmerman. Three 20 year terms for trying to scare off her husband, the
spousal abuser.

If she'd have been a white blonde and her husband black and abusive,
she'd be doing television promos for a car dealership somewhere in
Florida wearin' a sexy getup and sportin' a six shooter.



Yup. A used car and RV dealership that also butchered wild hawgs out in
back.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 4:46 PM, jps wrote:
On Fri, 16 May 2014 16:35:50 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 5/16/2014 3:27 PM, jps wrote:
On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

So you have a gun(s). Yup, I knew it.

You either don't read very much or real good.



FlaJim's MOS in "letters" when he was in the Navy was deckpaint
chipper/head swabber.

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 4:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 5/16/2014 3:27 PM, jps wrote:

On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?



I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

Reasonable. Many states (including my own) have such statutes on the
books with more being added every year (like Maryland, New York, New
Jersey).

How about concealed carry permits? Does being able to defend yourself
extend beyond your home in your view?





Under certain circumstances and, of course, if you fire that handgun and
you miss and hit someone else, you face criminal charges and civil
suits...no excuse that you were "defending yourself."

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/2014 7:05 PM, BAR wrote:
In article ,
says...

On Thu, 15 May 2014 13:02:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/15/2014 12:52 PM, jps wrote:
On Tue, 13 May 2014 19:30:29 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 5/13/2014 5:15 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 5/13/14, 4:54 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

On 5/13/2014 3:31 PM, jps wrote:

You don't leave running cars lying around the house, nor are they
designed to kill things. They're what's called transportation, dummy.




One of the design purposes of a gun is to prevent *being* killed.


Another, of course, is to kill.



uh huh. So, who's going to declare a truce and disarm first ... those
who try to kill or those who are trying to prevent being killed?

Those with guns who are trying to prevent being killed far outnumber
those who actually kill. The vast majority of gun owners are law
abiding and would only shoot someone as a last resort measure.

Most gun related events in the home aren't related to crime prevention
or bodily injury prevention but accidents or domestic disputes between
family members.

Prevention is among the least likely uses for guns in a home.


See? Some would argue that it works! :-)

I posed a question to you a week or so ago and don't know if you
responded with an answer or not. Might have missed it.
I asked what *your* position on guns is. Do you favor private ownership
at all of handguns or are you an advocate to outlaw them entirely?

I'm in favor of people being able to defend themselves, their
families, their homes.

I would, however, put stringent controls on the sale, ownership and
transfer of weapons and treat those who misunderstand the law very
harshly.

I told you his was a do as I say, not as I do type.


It seriously is a liberal thing.... Look at the height of hypocrisy,
colleges. Rutgers a so called "bastion of free speech", just had it's
faculty lead a resistance that made Condi Rice turn down an invitation
when recently they paid "Snookie" to speak there... What a bunch of
morons let me add ****ing to that.. What a bunch of ****ing morons...

Totally legal? No arrests...
 

On 5/16/14, 7:48 PM, KC wrote:
On 5/16/2014 7:05 PM, BAR wrote:



It seriously is a liberal thing.... Look at the height of hypocrisy,
colleges. Rutgers a so called "bastion of free speech", just had it's
faculty lead a resistance that made Condi Rice turn down an invitation
when recently they paid "Snookie" to speak there... What a bunch of
morons let me add ****ing to that.. What a bunch of ****ing morons...

Actually, the students at Rutgers led the protests against Rice. Not to
worry, you couldn't get a job digging fence postholes there, either.