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USS Zumwalt Hunting (for Harry)
On 4/21/2014 4:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/21/2014 1:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 4/21/14, 12:54 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:30:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 4/21/14, 12:23 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor during the 1960s? I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time) After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to the Wilson Bridge ;-) I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked. Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early 1970s.  I am not familiar with that one but I was in the 5th district. Pretty much all of the weather cutters were given to the Vietnamese in the late 60s and early 70s. I guess it was a tax write off ;-) I often wonder what became of them. The Chinese turned them into razor blades and Apple computers!  I would not be surprised. I am sure they were cut up for scrap by someone. I looked up the Absecon and the gooks were still using it as late as 2000. I bet we took the ASW stuff off before we gave it to them. (at least the torpedoes) The AVPs were originally built as sea plane tenders during WWII, designed to sit in a lagoon somewhere. They were round bottom tubs that were tough to handle in 20' seas. We still cruised at around 18 kts. The CG liked them because they were floating fuel tanks that had a lot of endurance at sea. I think we could have sailed around the world without stopping and still had plenty of fuel. . Interesting. Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary? I *knew* you were going to say that. Why didn't you? Because I am not on a crusade in life to influence political correctness or correct the use of offensive racial names. I calibrate people by what they say and do and that determines my willingness to be associated with them. My responsibility to correct or influence was with my kids and, in some cases, some who worked for my company although that was in the form of policy. For many who served in Vietnam the term "Gook" was an intentional derogatory name for people who were trying to kill you, much like "Jap" and "Kraut" were commonly used in WWII. I agree that those terms are not appropriate today. But listening to how people speak or reading what they write often provides calibration of who you are dealing with and what makes them tick. When someone says or writes three sentences with two or three, "****'in" (whatevers) in them, you get a pretty good idea of what kind of mentality you are dealing with. I'd argue that it's better to let them rip than to listen to feigned, political correctness. At least you know. |
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USS Zumwalt Hunting (for Harry)
On 4/21/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 5:38 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:48:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Interesting. Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary? I *knew* you were going to say that. Why didn't you? Maybe he sees it as more of a political statement than racial (like I do) and as you have demonstrated here, almost every day, that you can say the most offensive and hateful things you want about anyone you disagree with politically. I don’t use derogatory terms to insult people over those areas of their being in which they had no choice, such as their race, their ethnicity, their gender, their country of origin, et cetera. If you are an uninformed, science-denying, ignorant, superstitious, religious fundamentalist, racist conservative, you are that way because of choices you have made, not because you were born that way. "Gook" is a derogatory term ignorant people have used for generations to describe Asians, not the politics of Asians. Most prominently though during the Vietnam years by those trying to stay alive in the jungles. I could understand it then, under those circumstances but it's justification for use has long ended. |
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USS Zumwalt Hunting (for Harry)
On 4/21/14, 5:52 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/21/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote: On 4/21/14, 5:38 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:48:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Interesting. Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary? I *knew* you were going to say that. Why didn't you? Maybe he sees it as more of a political statement than racial (like I do) and as you have demonstrated here, almost every day, that you can say the most offensive and hateful things you want about anyone you disagree with politically. I don’t use derogatory terms to insult people over those areas of their being in which they had no choice, such as their race, their ethnicity, their gender, their country of origin, et cetera. If you are an uninformed, science-denying, ignorant, superstitious, religious fundamentalist, racist conservative, you are that way because of choices you have made, not because you were born that way. "Gook" is a derogatory term ignorant people have used for generations to describe Asians, not the politics of Asians. Most prominently though during the Vietnam years by those trying to stay alive in the jungles. I could understand it then, under those circumstances but it's justification for use has long ended. I wasn't aware that Greg's tour of duty with the US Coast Guard included time spent trying to stay alive in the jungles of SE Asia. |
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USS Zumwalt Hunting (for Harry)
On 4/21/2014 5:44 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 5:38 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:48:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Maybe he sees it as more of a political statement than racial (like I do) and as you have demonstrated here, almost every day, that you can say the most offensive and hateful things you want about anyone you disagree with politically. I don’t use derogatory terms to insult people over those areas of their being in which they had no choice, such as their race, their ethnicity, their gender, their country of origin, et cetera. You seem to have problems with every single person of the female gender who posted here. Was I imagineing that? |
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USS Zumwalt Hunting (for Harry)
On 4/21/14, 7:22 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:44:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 4/21/14, 5:38 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:48:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: Interesting. Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary? I *knew* you were going to say that. Why didn't you? Maybe he sees it as more of a political statement than racial (like I do) and as you have demonstrated here, almost every day, that you can say the most offensive and hateful things you want about anyone you disagree with politically. I don’t use derogatory terms to insult people over those areas of their being in which they had no choice, such as their race, their ethnicity, their gender, their country of origin, et cetera. If you are an uninformed, science-denying, ignorant, superstitious, religious fundamentalist, racist conservative, you are that way because of choices you have made, not because you were born that way. "Gook" is a derogatory term ignorant people have used for generations to describe Asians, not the politics of Asians. I may have just done it to pull your string and that certainly worked. I know your sympathies always rested with the Viet cong, not the GIs and tweaking that was rewarding.. I doubt that you used that word to pull my string, but nice attempt at recovery. If you think my "sympathies" were with the Viet Cong, you are far less bright than I thought. I certainly understand their point of view, though...they were ****ed over by the French, then the Japanese, then the French again, and then the Americans and the American allies, who backed the dictator Diem, who reneged on a deal struck earlier to reunite Vietnam. Once Diem was gotten rid of, a string of American-backed thugs took over ruling South Vietnam until all of that collapsed. We certainly learned our lessons there and put them to use in Iran and Iraq, eh? |
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USS Zumwalt Hunting (for Harry)
On 4/21/14, 8:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:39:44 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 4/21/14, 7:22 PM, wrote: On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 17:44:43 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: I may have just done it to pull your string and that certainly worked. I know your sympathies always rested with the Viet cong, not the GIs and tweaking that was rewarding.. I doubt that you used that word to pull my string, but nice attempt at recovery. I certainly knew you would be the only one who was offended enough to bitch about it. If you think my "sympathies" were with the Viet Cong, you are far less bright than I thought. ... he says I certainly understand their point of view, though...they were ****ed over by the French, then the Japanese, then the French again, and then the Americans and the American allies, who backed the dictator Diem, who reneged on a deal struck earlier to reunite Vietnam. Once Diem was gotten rid of, a string of American-backed thugs took over ruling South Vietnam until all of that collapsed. And then he told us how it was all our fault Ah Harry, you are so predictable. I bet you would have been there with Jane on the gun if she asked you. (while Americans were being tortured a mile away) No I was not in the jungle but I spent a lot of guys who were and I knew one guy who died there. We certainly learned our lessons there and put them to use in Iran and Iraq, eh? I am not really sure how any of that has anything to do with Iraq. Our current policy in Afghanistan is closer but still not nearly the same. What happened after the French left, in terms of our war against Vietnam, was our fault. No, I wouldn't have accompanied Jane Fonda on her trip there. A lot of people in our general age category know people who died in Vietnam, or who suffered horrific physical and mental injuries. And all of those deaths and injuries were a waste. I don't know why we are in Afghanistan. It wasn't a real country before we got there and it won't be after we leave. It's too bad Moron Bush and his henchman Chaney got us into it, eh? |
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