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On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early
1970s.

Mr. Luddite

On 4/21/2014 12:00 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early
1970s.

I don't remember the Coates in New Haven, but I probably wasn't paying
much attention to Navy ships then. I looked it up also. It was one of
the many DEs built during WWII and of a class just prior to the ones I
was on. They only made 13 of the class I was on, then re-designated
them as Frigates.

Reading the history of Navy ships has always been of interest to me.
Some had very colorful histories. One of the sister ships of the
Coates, the USS Eugene E. Elmore (DE-686) performed some heroic actions
during WWII, hunting and sinking a German sub that attacked a task force
disabling four ships. The Elmore saved many sailors and then took one
of the damaged ships under tow and delivered it to Casablanca.
Little ships but they had big hearts.

F*O*A*D

On 4/21/14, 12:30 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/21/2014 12:00 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early
1970s.

I don't remember the Coates in New Haven, but I probably wasn't paying
much attention to Navy ships then. I looked it up also. It was one of
the many DEs built during WWII and of a class just prior to the ones I
was on. They only made 13 of the class I was on, then re-designated
them as Frigates.

Reading the history of Navy ships has always been of interest to me.
Some had very colorful histories. One of the sister ships of the
Coates, the USS Eugene E. Elmore (DE-686) performed some heroic actions
during WWII, hunting and sinking a German sub that attacked a task force
disabling four ships. The Elmore saved many sailors and then took one
of the damaged ships under tow and delivered it to Casablanca.
Little ships but they had big hearts.

Hmmm. I wonder if the ship's crew refreshed itself at Rick's Café
Américain?

Wayne.B

On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early
1970s.

===

I believe you'd be well qualified to skipper a target vessel.

F*O*A*D

On 4/21/14, 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early
1970s.

I am not familiar with that one but I was in the 5th district.
Pretty much all of the weather cutters were given to the Vietnamese in
the late 60s and early 70s.
I guess it was a tax write off ;-)

I often wonder what became of them.

The Chinese turned them into razor blades and Apple computers!

F*O*A*D

On 4/21/14, 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:30:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the early
1970s.

I am not familiar with that one but I was in the 5th district.
Pretty much all of the weather cutters were given to the Vietnamese in
the late 60s and early 70s.
I guess it was a tax write off ;-)

I often wonder what became of them.

The Chinese turned them into razor blades and Apple computers!

I would not be surprised. I am sure they were cut up for scrap by
someone.

I looked up the Absecon and the gooks were still using it as late as
2000.
I bet we took the ASW stuff off before we gave it to them. (at least
the torpedoes)

The AVPs were originally built as sea plane tenders during WWII,
designed to sit in a lagoon somewhere. They were round bottom tubs
that were tough to handle in 20' seas. We still cruised at around 18
kts.
The CG liked them because they were floating fuel tanks that had a lot
of endurance at sea.
I think we could have sailed around the world without stopping and
still had plenty of fuel. .

Interesting.

Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary?

Mr. Luddite

On 4/21/2014 1:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:30:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven
Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from
the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from
time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the
early
1970s.

I am not familiar with that one but I was in the 5th district.
Pretty much all of the weather cutters were given to the Vietnamese in
the late 60s and early 70s.
I guess it was a tax write off ;-)

I often wonder what became of them.

The Chinese turned them into razor blades and Apple computers!

I would not be surprised. I am sure they were cut up for scrap by
someone.

I looked up the Absecon and the gooks were still using it as late as
2000.
I bet we took the ASW stuff off before we gave it to them. (at least
the torpedoes)

The AVPs were originally built as sea plane tenders during WWII,
designed to sit in a lagoon somewhere. They were round bottom tubs
that were tough to handle in 20' seas. We still cruised at around 18
kts.
The CG liked them because they were floating fuel tanks that had a lot
of endurance at sea.
I think we could have sailed around the world without stopping and
still had plenty of fuel. .

Interesting.

Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary?

I *knew* you were going to say that.

F*O*A*D

On 4/21/14, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/21/2014 1:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:30:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven
Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from
the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit
next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from
time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the
early
1970s.

I am not familiar with that one but I was in the 5th district.
Pretty much all of the weather cutters were given to the Vietnamese in
the late 60s and early 70s.
I guess it was a tax write off ;-)

I often wonder what became of them.

The Chinese turned them into razor blades and Apple computers!

I would not be surprised. I am sure they were cut up for scrap by
someone.

I looked up the Absecon and the gooks were still using it as late as
2000.
I bet we took the ASW stuff off before we gave it to them. (at least
the torpedoes)

The AVPs were originally built as sea plane tenders during WWII,
designed to sit in a lagoon somewhere. They were round bottom tubs
that were tough to handle in 20' seas. We still cruised at around 18
kts.
The CG liked them because they were floating fuel tanks that had a lot
of endurance at sea.
I think we could have sailed around the world without stopping and
still had plenty of fuel. .

Interesting.

Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary?

I *knew* you were going to say that.

Why didn't you?

Mr. Luddite

On 4/21/2014 4:48 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 3:21 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/21/2014 1:12 PM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 4/21/14, 12:54 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:30:23 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 12:23 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:00:28 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 4/21/14, 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:03:10 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Do you remember the USS Coates, the DE that "guarded" New Haven
Harbor
during the 1960s?

I remember the USS Drum that kept the godless communists away from
the
Washington Navy Yard (called the gun factory at the time)

After that sailed away the mission was left to the USCGR unit
next to
the Wilson Bridge ;-)

I was a high schooler in New Haven when the Coates was assigned
there
as, if memory serves, a training vessel. We encountered it from
time to
time in the really small boats we used to play, fish, waterski, et
cetera, on Long Island Sound. Mostly, though, the Coates was docked.

Just looked it up...it was used as a target vessel and sunk in the
early
1970s.

I am not familiar with that one but I was in the 5th district.
Pretty much all of the weather cutters were given to the
Vietnamese in
the late 60s and early 70s.
I guess it was a tax write off ;-)

I often wonder what became of them.

The Chinese turned them into razor blades and Apple computers!

I would not be surprised. I am sure they were cut up for scrap by
someone.

I looked up the Absecon and the gooks were still using it as late as
2000.
I bet we took the ASW stuff off before we gave it to them. (at least
the torpedoes)

The AVPs were originally built as sea plane tenders during WWII,
designed to sit in a lagoon somewhere. They were round bottom tubs
that were tough to handle in 20' seas. We still cruised at around 18
kts.
The CG liked them because they were floating fuel tanks that had a lot
of endurance at sea.
I think we could have sailed around the world without stopping and
still had plenty of fuel. .

Interesting.

Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary?

I *knew* you were going to say that.

Why didn't you?

Because I am not on a crusade in life to influence political correctness
or correct the use of offensive racial names. I calibrate people by what
they say and do and that determines my willingness to be associated with
them. My responsibility to correct or influence was with my kids and,
in some cases, some who worked for my company although that was in the
form of policy.

For many who served in Vietnam the term "Gook" was an intentional
derogatory name for people who were trying to kill you, much like "Jap"
and "Kraut" were commonly used in WWII.

I agree that those terms are not appropriate today. But listening to
how people speak or reading what they write often provides calibration
of who you are dealing with and what makes them tick. When someone says
or writes three sentences with two or three, "****'in" (whatevers) in
them, you get a pretty good idea of what kind of mentality you are
dealing with.

I'd argue that it's better to let them rip than to listen to feigned,
political correctness. At least you know.

F*O*A*D

On 4/21/14, 5:38 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:48:04 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Interesting.

Why haven't you expunged the word "gook" from your vocabulary?

I *knew* you were going to say that.

Why didn't you?

Maybe he sees it as more of a political statement than racial (like I
do) and as you have demonstrated here, almost every day, that you can
say the most offensive and hateful things you want about anyone you
disagree with politically.

I don’t use derogatory terms to insult people over those areas of their
being in which they had no choice, such as their race, their ethnicity,
their gender, their country of origin, et cetera.

If you are an uninformed, science-denying, ignorant, superstitious,
religious fundamentalist, racist conservative, you are that way because
of choices you have made, not because you were born that way.

"Gook" is a derogatory term ignorant people have used for generations to
describe Asians, not the politics of Asians.

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