On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 07:37:32 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

On 4/20/2014 11:39 PM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sun, 20 Apr 2014 20:20:01 -0400, H*a*r*r*o*l*d
wrote:

Google up "frequency agility radar" of which there are many types and
modes.



I don't know what it is, but I'm sure W'hine has it on his boat.


I'm sure Wayne's boat has numerous long range capabilities that your
typical twin Volvo pseudo trawler can't duplicate.

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Some of this stuff just can't be discussed outside of classified
circles. We do know for sure that there are very few, if any, pseudo
trawlers in the Caribbean. Bucking the winter trade winds for 1,000
miles takes the real thing.

It would surprise me if one of those pseudo trawlers had a range greater
than 500 miles. That would put Bermuda out of range for one of those
coastal boats.

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With out stabilization of some type, most pseudo trawlers have
difficulty just making coastal passages on the open ocean. My
youngest son's inlaws have one and I find the ride uncomfortable even
on Long Island Sound when the wind is up.

Bermuda is a nice destination but it's a long way out and a long way
back. I've gone there 6 times on sailboats. In order to make the
next leg of a transatlantic crossing from Bermuda you need a fuel
range of at least 2,000 miles to safely cover the 1,700 miles to the
Azores, preferably a bit more. The only way we can go transatlantic
(other than on a freighter) is via Newfoundland, Greenland, Iceland,
etc. That's a dicey crossing even in late summer although it would be
one heck of an adventure. :-)

The biggest advantage for us of having a 1,000+ mile range is the
ability to pick and choose our refueling spots for best price. Even
in the USA there are big differences as you probably know. Going
international the differences are even more extreme.

Very interesting, Wayne. The only concerned we have about fueling is which gas station has the best price to fill up before we hit the ramp at the lake.

On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:11:36 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:
Very interesting, Wayne. The only concerned we have about fueling is which gas station has the best price to fill up before we hit the ramp at the lake.

Keeping our boat in a slip takes that opportunity away, so we have to pay the higher marina price for gas. Fortunately, my home marina has one of the best prices on the lake, so that's a plus. It still hurts.

You want to play, you got to pay. :-)

My boats have car engines so pump gas is fine for what we do bit I still have l still have limitations on what I use. No E-85. That's way too much 'corn squeezin's' for me.

On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 07:47:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:11:36 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

Very interesting, Wayne. The only concerned we have about fueling is which gas station has the best price to fill up before we hit the ramp at the lake.



Keeping our boat in a slip takes that opportunity away, so we have to pay the higher marina price for gas. Fortunately, my home marina has one of the best prices on the lake, so that's a plus. It still hurts.



You want to play, you got to pay. :-)



I guess you boys are not ethanolaphobes ;-)



I am the same way. I buy, whatever is the cheapest gas. We do keep it

moving. I worry more about the gas in my truck than the gas in the

boat. I run 50 gallons through the boat for every 10 that go through

the truck I haul it in.

That ends up being about 30-40 days depending on the weather.

Lately it has been so nice we are getting out 4-5 nights a week for an

hour or two..

The marina says their gas is ethanol free. Maybe, maybe not. Except for the "winter" season, we go through a 50 gallon tank every 2-3 weeks. A day of heavy use with a trip to one of the restaurants at the far end of the lake can eat most of that tank. I use a maintenance dose of Marine Stabil all season, with a storage dose in the cool weather. No issues yet.

On 4/21/2014 3:56 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Monday, April 21, 2014 12:01:40 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 07:47:00 -0700 (PDT), wrote:



On Monday, April 21, 2014 10:11:36 AM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

Very interesting, Wayne. The only concerned we have about fueling is which gas station has the best price to fill up before we hit the ramp at the lake.



Keeping our boat in a slip takes that opportunity away, so we have to pay the higher marina price for gas. Fortunately, my home marina has one of the best prices on the lake, so that's a plus. It still hurts.



You want to play, you got to pay. :-)



I guess you boys are not ethanolaphobes ;-)



I am the same way. I buy, whatever is the cheapest gas. We do keep it

moving. I worry more about the gas in my truck than the gas in the

boat. I run 50 gallons through the boat for every 10 that go through

the truck I haul it in.

That ends up being about 30-40 days depending on the weather.

Lately it has been so nice we are getting out 4-5 nights a week for an

hour or two..

The marina says their gas is ethanol free. Maybe, maybe not. Except for the "winter" season, we go through a 50 gallon tank every 2-3 weeks. A day of heavy use with a trip to one of the restaurants at the far end of the lake can eat most of that tank. I use a maintenance dose of Marine Stabil all season, with a storage dose in the cool weather. No issues yet.

There is a certain tolerance for some ethanol in gas labeled ethanol
free. I have heard it is up to 5% or so but I assume it is generally
lower.
I do think this ethanol thing has taken on a life of it's own, blaming
every malady on ethanol. They act like nobody ever had a problem with
stale fuel, gummed up carburetors and water in the fuel before.

Bear in mind "dry gas" IS ethanol and we were always told to put some
in the tank every winter as gas line antifreeze.


The initial problems with ethanol wasn't limited to engines or rubber
gas lines. Yellowfin had to recall a bunch of boats because it was
dissolving the resins used in the built-in fiberglass fuel tanks.

The last boat I had (that I bought as a panicked reaction to not having
a boat) was gas powered. The CG approved fuel lines were only a couple
of years old but the survey report said I should change them because
they were not the latest, ethanol rated types. I didn't bother because
I didn't keep the boat for even one full season.

On 4/21/2014 5:24 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 16:40:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


The initial problems with ethanol wasn't limited to engines or rubber
gas lines. Yellowfin had to recall a bunch of boats because it was
dissolving the resins used in the built-in fiberglass fuel tanks.

The last boat I had (that I bought as a panicked reaction to not having
a boat) was gas powered. The CG approved fuel lines were only a couple
of years old but the survey report said I should change them because
they were not the latest, ethanol rated types. I didn't bother because
I didn't keep the boat for even one full season.


The 1990 era USCG hose I put on my boat still seem to be doing fine.
When I repowered last time I cut off a short piece and opened it up.
Everything looked OK and since people with newer hoses report problems
I just stayed with what I had.
They are solid black material that looks like rubber but I am sure it
is some synthetic.



The ones on the boat I had were black and had "USCG Approved" stamped on
them along with the product number. According to the surveyor though,
they weren't current and should be replaced with those approved for use
with ethanol laced fuels.

I think the problem would be with an insurance claim if something happened.