I have taught this way in the past.
Havent you ever spinaker flown (in a bosun chair)
anchored stern to?

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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 03:05:45 GMT, "John R Weiss"
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Anchoring a boat by it's stern is generally considered a bad idea for
good
reason.

For normal anchoring, that may well be true. However, for the stated
purpose (practice with the spinnaker at the mooring) it is not a bad idea
at
all. There will be at least 2 crew on deck for the entire exercise, so
they
can take care of any unforeseen problems.


The stated purpose is a poor idea for doing that in the first place. The
two
crew on deck that you stake so much faith in, are admittedly
inexperienced
sailors. There is no way to forsee what situations they are capable of
dealing
with. Meanwhile, they aren't really gonna learn much about spinnakers this
way
any how. The whole idea is a non-starter.

BB

I can see it as a good idea just for the very rough first approach to spi,
as where to clip ropes and where the pole is supposed to be placed. First
half an hour of lesson.

Since you couldn't work on the wind angle it wouldn't be a useful way of
practicing for more than that.

Also, if you're good enough in changing the bow orientation moving the
mooring line on the stern, you probably are even better steering.

Regards,

Luca

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I have taught this way in the past.
Havent you ever spinaker flown (in a bosun chair)
anchored stern to?

wrote in message
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 03:05:45 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

wrote...

Anchoring a boat by it's stern is generally considered a bad idea for
good
reason.

For normal anchoring, that may well be true. However, for the stated
purpose (practice with the spinnaker at the mooring) it is not a bad
idea
at
all. There will be at least 2 crew on deck for the entire exercise, so
they
can take care of any unforeseen problems.


The stated purpose is a poor idea for doing that in the first place.
The
two
crew on deck that you stake so much faith in, are admittedly
inexperienced
sailors. There is no way to forsee what situations they are capable of
dealing
with. Meanwhile, they aren't really gonna learn much about spinnakers
this
way
any how. The whole idea is a non-starter.

BB

Mooring to stern and raising the chute in light air should not be a problem.
It is not a particularly good way to practice but it is pretty good for
learing the very basics. As a way of debugging hardware and setup, it makes
a lot of sense. There is no concern for navigation, sail set etc. that come
into play while sailing. No one even has to touch the tiller. I suspect such
a situation would not be with a full crew who want to enjoy the water and
would get bored with on-the-water spinnaker practice. As for the boat
turning around, I seriously doubt it. Before a spinnaker could force the bow
upwind, it would collapse. A jib would have more chance as it has a rigid
leading edge but in my experience, it has too many other forces to contend
with. I have found some boats that are not stable when moored by the bow. I
had a Star that was just such a boat. A slight shift in wind direction and
it would try to pass the mooring. The line would then pull the bow and it
would, in effect, tack and keep going back and forth. This was without any
sails or people on board. Mooring downwind had no problems.
Dave.

We do this all the time, except in a stronger breeze to have fun. Just put a sling
between the clews and sit in it. Just like parachuting except you can dunk yourself when
you want. Keep one sheet attached to retrieve the thing when someone falls off!

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 18:10:01 GMT, "Comcast Newsgroups" wrote:

Mooring to stern and raising the chute in light air should not be a problem.
It is not a particularly good way to practice but it is pretty good for
learing the very basics. As a way of debugging hardware and setup, it makes
a lot of sense. There is no concern for navigation, sail set etc. that come
into play while sailing. No one even has to touch the tiller. I suspect such
a situation would not be with a full crew who want to enjoy the water and
would get bored with on-the-water spinnaker practice. As for the boat
turning around, I seriously doubt it. Before a spinnaker could force the bow
upwind, it would collapse. A jib would have more chance as it has a rigid
leading edge but in my experience, it has too many other forces to contend
with. I have found some boats that are not stable when moored by the bow. I
had a Star that was just such a boat. A slight shift in wind direction and
it would try to pass the mooring. The line would then pull the bow and it
would, in effect, tack and keep going back and forth. This was without any
sails or people on board. Mooring downwind had no problems.
Dave.

How hard was it when you flew your first spinnaker? Most people are just
scared of the things because of the size. Just hoist the thing underway with
the right crew, and you will learn a sheiite load more than playing at a
mooring...


"ddinc" wrote in message
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I have taught this way in the past.
Havent you ever spinaker flown (in a bosun chair)
anchored stern to?

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 03:05:45 GMT, "John R Weiss"
wrote:

wrote...

Anchoring a boat by it's stern is generally considered a bad idea for
good
reason.

For normal anchoring, that may well be true. However, for the stated
purpose (practice with the spinnaker at the mooring) it is not a bad
idea
at
all. There will be at least 2 crew on deck for the entire exercise, so
they
can take care of any unforeseen problems.


The stated purpose is a poor idea for doing that in the first place.
The
two
crew on deck that you stake so much faith in, are admittedly
inexperienced
sailors. There is no way to forsee what situations they are capable of
dealing
with. Meanwhile, they aren't really gonna learn much about spinnakers
this
way
any how. The whole idea is a non-starter.

BB