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Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Saturday, March 18, 2000 3:00:00 AM UTC-5, Richard C. Belanger wrote:
Hi: I have been looking at a new Carver 396. Looks like a nice boat, good for the family, though not a hard-core offshore design. Everything has been looking good until I went to http://www.yachtsurvey.com David Pascoe has a post on Carver's that makes me feel I would be better off lashing together some logs than getting a Carver. Needless to say I am more than a little concerned. He points out major problems in the fabrication of Carver boats - and essentially says they are unworthy of any consideration. We have been comparing Carver's to Maxum and SeaRay and have liked the Carver's better - partly because they seem to be more solidly put together. Some friends who have newer Carver's and cruise them heavily have also had good things to say about the seaworthiness of the boat. I hadn't considered the more hard-core boats like Bertram and Hatteras since I believed they were completely out of my price range. Any opinions out there? Would I be making a huge mistake with a Carver? Should I just keep saving for a better quality boat? My primary goal is cruising the boat in Massachusetts waters - based out of Boston. Thanks, Rich I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO... |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote:
I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO... Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think! ?;^ ) |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 3/28/2014 8:52 AM, Tim wrote:
On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote: I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO... Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think! ?;^ ) Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to? "Saturday, March 18, 2000" Must have a very slow computer. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:57:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/28/2014 8:52 AM, Tim wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote: I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO... Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think! ?;^ ) Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to? "Saturday, March 18, 2000" Must have a very slow computer. And I think the boat being reviewed was a 1994 Carver! http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/Carver370.htm "The boat that put Carver over the threshold for us is this 1994 model 370 that experienced massive bottom laminate failure." Must still be using string land lines. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 3/28/2014 10:20 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:57:24 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/28/2014 8:52 AM, Tim wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote: I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO... Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think! ?;^ ) Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to? "Saturday, March 18, 2000" Must have a very slow computer. And I think the boat being reviewed was a 1994 Carver! http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/Carver370.htm "The boat that put Carver over the threshold for us is this 1994 model 370 that experienced massive bottom laminate failure." Must still be using string land lines. Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat a local dealer was really pushing a new Carver on me and making me offers "I couldn't refuse" (according to him). It was nicely done inside but was one of those high backed cockpit type that you have to climb up a ladder to board. I passed, despite his best efforts. That's when I ended up buying the Navigator. Much better built boat, huge stringers compared to the Carver. You could tell just by looking at the construction the Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure. When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was 1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it hanging in the salon. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 3/28/14, 8:57 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/28/2014 8:52 AM, Tim wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014 11:01:15 PM UTC-7, wrote: I know this post is old but I came across it.So some one else will...DON'T LET THESE GOOFS SCARE YOU OFF FROM PURCHASING A BAYLINER OR CARVER...I WILL POST ONE POINT THAT THESE DUMB ASS BAYLINER BASHERS WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.A BAYLINER MY IS ONE OF THE BEST YACHTS MADE WITH HULSS THICKER THAN YOUR FINGER.AND THEIR MOST POPULAR DESIGN WAS SLOLEN BY HATTARAS AND STILL USED TO THIS DAY FROM THE 4788 PILOTHOUSE...HAVE A NICE DAY AND ENJOY YOUR BAYLINERS AND CARVERS..GREAT BOATS FOR THE USED MARKET MONEY!!!!...NOT ONLY RICH ASS HOLE DEMOCRAPS CAN OWN A BOAT YOU BLUE COLLAR SMART PEOPLE CAN TOO... Cmon man. Don't hold back. Tell us how you really think! ?;^ ) Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to? "Saturday, March 18, 2000" Must have a very slow computer. It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
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Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:59:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? === Given your track record of prevarication and fraud, why should we believe any of that? Actions speak louder than words, and your actions are reprehensible. Intelligent is as intelligent does. You're lucky not to be in jail. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 13:17:24 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:59:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? === Given your track record of prevarication and fraud, why should we believe any of that? Actions speak louder than words, and your actions are reprehensible. Intelligent is as intelligent does. You're lucky not to be in jail. :) |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 3/28/2014 12:45 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:59:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? I did very well on the ACT (the test they used in DC). I was accepted to 3 colleges (GW AU, U Md), I just chose not to go. Money was a big part of it. Harry was accepted at or bribed his way into a single college. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:57:24 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to? "Saturday, March 18, 2000" Must have a very slow computer. Sure did, Rich. It's a good boating thread with lots of discussion on the brand name. I have some Bayliner frieends who have had really good runs with the Bayliners. Like everything. Maintenance is the key factor. The only think I didn't really care for several of their models was that 'micro cruise-liner' styling they thought would be a big hit. Behold the 'Contesa" http://www.hiwtc.com/photo/products/39/00/54/5479.jpg |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? The narcissism jumps in again. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 11:59:55 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? I did very well on the ACT (the test they used in DC). I was accepted to 3 colleges (GW AU, U Md), I just chose not to go. Money was a big part of it. We had the ACT, too. I scored a 29 out of a 36 which was decent considering the may they scored the tests. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 15:11:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:57:24 AM UTC-7, Mr. Luddite wrote: Did you notice the date of the post this guy was responding to? "Saturday, March 18, 2000" Must have a very slow computer. Sure did, Rich. It's a good boating thread with lots of discussion on the brand name. I have some Bayliner frieends who have had really good runs with the Bayliners. Like everything. Maintenance is the key factor. The only think I didn't really care for several of their models was that 'micro cruise-liner' styling they thought would be a big hit. Behold the 'Contesa" http://www.hiwtc.com/photo/products/39/00/54/5479.jpg They probably designed that for the Italian market. Looks like it would be a big hit for the 'poor' folks in Monaco. Sometime I'll have to dig out my pics of the harbor in Monaco. There is some *real* money tied up right there! |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:45:29 -0400, Earl wrote:
F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? The narcissism jumps in again. Shoot, I scored real well on the AFQT! |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 3/29/14, 8:29 AM, Poquito Loco wrote:
On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 21:45:29 -0400, Earl wrote: F*O*A*D wrote: On 3/28/14, 11:52 AM, wrote: On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 10:38:07 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote: It's the latest model Greggster 8088, running Windows 1.1, and is connected to a 150 BPS acoustic modem. Having a brand new computer certainly has not made you any smarter. I don't have to be *any* smarter. My SATs and GREs qualified me as smart enough. How were yours? The narcissism jumps in again. Shoot, I scored real well on the AFQT! Isn't that the one you pass by fogging a mirror held in front of your nose? |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 08:26:18 -0400, Poquito Loco
wrote: Sometime I'll have to dig out my pics of the harbor in Monaco. There is some *real* money tied up right there! === Oh gosh yes. We were there three years ago during the boat show. What a hoot. Some of the so called dinghies (yacht tenders) were over 40 ft long and had more varnished teak than my Grand Banks. A lot of them are down in the Caribbean during the winter time where you can see them fully equipped with owners and crew. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 14:47:29 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Sat, 29 Mar 2014 08:26:18 -0400, Poquito Loco wrote: Sometime I'll have to dig out my pics of the harbor in Monaco. There is some *real* money tied up right there! === Oh gosh yes. We were there three years ago during the boat show. What a hoot. Some of the so called dinghies (yacht tenders) were over 40 ft long and had more varnished teak than my Grand Banks. A lot of them are down in the Caribbean during the winter time where you can see them fully equipped with owners and crew. I could have spent the whole day in Monaco harbor just taking pictures of the boats. But, my buddy from Holland wanted to get on up in the French Alps, so we spent only a couple hours there. We did the Monaco Grand Prix circuit, which was a lot of fun. Of course we had stop lights and speed limits, but we still had a good time pretending. And it's a good thing the cops weren't paying us much attention. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
3/28/14Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat ....You could tell just by looking at the construction the Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure. When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was 1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it hanging in the salon. .........,, The hull was only 1-1/4” thick? I figured it’d be a lot thicker than that. Like it should have been 2-3” |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 6/3/2018 8:02 AM, Tim wrote:
3/28/14Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat ....You could tell just by looking at the construction the Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure. When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was 1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it hanging in the salon. ........,, The hull was only 1-1/4” thick? I figured it’d be a lot thicker than that. Like it should have been 2-3” Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient. But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 08:54:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 6/3/2018 8:02 AM, Tim wrote: 3/28/14Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - Back in 2000 when I was shopping for my first larger boat ....You could tell just by looking at the construction the Navigator was a well designed and well built boat. Jules Marshall (the designer) backed off on the bling and focused on structure. When the bow thruster was installed I saved a piece of the hull that they cut out. The hull of the Navigator was solid fiberglass that was 1-1/4" thick. I mounted a piece on a framed display board and had it hanging in the salon. ........,, The hull was only 1-1/4 thick? I figured itd be a lot thicker than that. Like it should have been 2-3 Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient. But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull. Could be Tim's thinking of a Boston Whaler style hull with a foam core inside much thinner fiberglass. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
Mr. Luddite
- show quoted text - Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient. But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull. ......... Maybe. But not for a boat if your sized diesel powered Navigator. I’d think... |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On 6/3/2018 7:49 PM, Tim wrote:
Mr. Luddite - show quoted text - Where the heck are these posts coming from? They are ancient. But, 1-1/4" thick solid fiberglass is pretty thick for a boat hull. ........ Maybe. But not for a boat if your sized diesel powered Navigator. I’d think... I think you would be surprised. I can't remember the details now but I recall investigating that when I saw the thickness of the hull when they cut the holes for the thruster. Most fiberglass hulls on a boat of that approximate size is less than an inch thick. Fiberglass is strong stuff. We are talking solid glass, below the waterline and not upper sections that are cored. The guy that built Navigators (Jules Marshall) believed in "when in doubt, make it stout". He was known for building strong boats at the expense of some of super fancy interiors. I remember the stringers in the engine room were about 15 inches high and 2-2.5 inches thick. I've been in many boats of that approximate size and never saw anything like those in that boat. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
I just bought a used Carver 38-foot Santiago 1994 how are they rated I only intend to do Coastal boating with her and use it mainly as a live-aboard is this a good investment
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Carver boats - a big mistake?
I am new to boating and would like to know if there's a general checklist I like a PreFlight list for airplanes that I can get to check out the Carver from start to finish this would be my first Powerball and I would like to take care of it in a way that make sure that I don't harm other boaters or my family thank you
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Carver boats - a big mistake?
I am new to boating and would like to know if there's a general checklist I like a PreFlight list for airplanes that I can get to check out the Carver from start to finish this would be my first Powerball and I would like to take care of it in a way that make sure that I don't harm other boaters or my family thank you ——- Oh there’s probably a check list somewhere. The US coastguard sites would have plenty about safety equipment but for a boat that size, probably the best you could do is pay a bit and have it surveyed. the surveyor would give it a professional going over and detect future problems if not present ones. Their signature on the documentation is a Good thing to have. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:57:20 -0800 (PST), wrote:
I am new to boating and would like to know if there's a general checklist I like a PreFlight list for airplanes that I can get to check out the Carver from start to finish this would be my first Powerball and I would like to take care of it in a way that make sure that I don't harm other boaters or my family thank you What Tim said. Survey. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
John H
On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 17:57:20 -0800 (PST), wrote: I am new to boating and would like to know if there's a general checklist I like a PreFlight list for airplanes that I can get to check out the Carver from start to finish this would be my first Powerball and I would like to take care of it in a way that make sure that I don't harm other boaters or my family thank you What Tim said. Survey. ———- I not problem is, they probably should have it surveyed before the purchase..., |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
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I just bought a used Carver 38-foot Santiago 1994 how are they rated I only intend to do Coastal boating with her and use it mainly as a live-aboard is this a good investment You ask after buying? |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
Bill
- show quoted text - You ask after buying? ......... I think that’s the game but he did say he was a new boater. Hope all works out well for them. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 18:22:24 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: I just bought a used Carver 38-foot Santiago 1994 how are they rated I only intend to do Coastal boating with her and use it mainly as a live-aboard is this a good investment You ask after buying? === Simple question, simple answer: No. Boats are not an investment, just an expense. You buy boats because you want one, no other reason. Investments are things that may go up in value or generate income. Even a top of the line, well built boat, will do none of that. And you can be sure that any 25 year old boat will need a lot of work and ongoing maintenance. And you can be sure that the work and maintenance will cost more than you think, probably much more. If you just want a cheap place to live, looked for a used double wide. |
Carver boats - a big mistake?
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