On 3/14/14, 3:34 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 12:02:26 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 11:37 AM, wrote:


You are probably better off to turn on the water,
pressurize the system, then turn it off, let it drain down and repeat
several times.

The other factor is the hose to the flush port is 5MM ID (less than a
quarter inch) so you are not really moving that much water anyway.

If you really want to flush the block, you need to remove the
thermostat, drop the foot and back flush through the thermostat hole
... but you are not going to do that very often.

These are wonderful, time-consuming suggestions for those who are
retired and have little of importance to do, sort of like painting a
ceiling and watching the paint dry.

I especially like the second suggestion.

The first one is the only way you are actually going to get fresh
water up into the top of the block more than once.
If you want, I can scan the water flow diagram from the shop manual.
The thermostat stops water before it exits the block (that is how it
works).
If the thermostat is closed, you are not going to get circulation
through those passages.


The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard.

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That would be just the thing to spruce up that low transom of yours.

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard.

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard.

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha
outboard.

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to
do something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.
Like paying taxes, eh?

On 3/15/14, 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:36:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha outboard.

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

I do understand that you buy a boat, park it somewhere, pay someone
else a lot of money to keep it running, seldom use it and sell it for
a huge loss.

I use my boat and I maintain it well enough that it will run for
hundreds of hours a year with minimal to zero problems.


Yeah, I've seen photos of your pontoon boat. No thanks.

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years, maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price. Around here, Parkers
are great boats to buy because there is a strong market for used ones,
and it usually does not take long to sell one and at a good price.

I've never boated where pontoon boats are popular.

On 3/15/2014 11:09 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:36:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha
outboard.

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer
look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

I do understand that you buy a boat, park it somewhere, pay someone
else a lot of money to keep it running, seldom use it and sell it for
a huge loss.

I use my boat and I maintain it well enough that it will run for
hundreds of hours a year with minimal to zero problems.


Yeah, I've seen photos of your pontoon boat. No thanks.

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years, maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price. Around here, Parkers
are great boats to buy because there is a strong market for used ones,
and it usually does not take long to sell one and at a good price.

I've never boated where pontoon boats are popular.


You remind me of my brother. He buys a car thinking it's a financial
investment. Most people buy boats to enjoy.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 10:59 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 07:36:32 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/15/14, 1:18 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 22:26:06 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:52 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 15:42:02 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

The second suggestion is a maintenance flush

You might want to do that on a 100 hour if that is once a year. I
usually do it at around 300-400 which is once a year for me.

(any time I have the foot off)




Gee, I'll keep all this in mind in case I buy another Yamaha
outboard.

Harry we know you just go to the dealer, drop your pants and ask him
to be gentle.

A few of us actually understand maintenance and know how to do it.
That bull**** in the owner';s manual is mostly to make the dealer
look
reasonable when he charges you $400 for an oil change because he has
so many other line items to add to the invoice.

Really ... a dealer only service? Checking for an oil leak?

Look at that list closely and get back to me.

When you put 3000 hours on TWO motors doing all the service
yourself,
call me.


Why would I want to?

Then you are admitting you are in over your depth and you don't have a
clue what you are talking about.


And once again, you reach for the nonsense answer. That I know how
to do
something doesn't mean that I *want* to do it.

I do understand that you buy a boat, park it somewhere, pay someone
else a lot of money to keep it running, seldom use it and sell it for
a huge loss.

I use my boat and I maintain it well enough that it will run for
hundreds of hours a year with minimal to zero problems.


Yeah, I've seen photos of your pontoon boat. No thanks.

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years, maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price. Around here,
Parkers are great boats to buy because there is a strong market for
used ones, and it usually does not take long to sell one and at a good
price.

I've never boated where pontoon boats are popular.
You sell boats to boats? I thought you said you were a professional
writer before you stopped paying taxes.

On 3/15/14, 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:09:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years,

You have a lot of "boats" looking to buy your boat?
That must be one pretty boat.


maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price.

So you are just a boat dealer, not a real boater.

Buy one, park it in the driveway and try to dump it before it loses
too much value.

Again I ask, what is your per (running) hour maintenance bill?
Since you imply you do a "100" hour once a year I am guessing you
actually run less than that so I see it at a minimum of $4 an hour and
probably closer to $8.
A 100 hour is generally $400 and up, based on what I read on the real
boat BB, depending on how many parts you throw at it.

An outboard will generally lose about a third of it's value as soon as
you drive it off the lot. (certainly within a year anyway).
That is based on what we heard from several brokers when my neighbor's
wife tried to sell his pristine boat after his death.
I ran the YDS on it and he had 150 hours on it.


Again, I have no idea what the per hour maintenance bill was for my
outboard boats and, again, I don't give a ****. I don't usually apply
cost-benefit analysis to toys.

Brokers have an incentive to get you to sell your boat at a price that
will generate the fastest sale. IF you have a well-maintained boat that
is in short supply and that people want, you can get a better price,
usually a much better price. Parkers do very well up here. I don't know
anything about the old, well-used pontoon boat market is like in SW
Florida.

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/15/14, 11:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 15 Mar 2014 11:09:01 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

Your understanding is wrong, too. The idea, at least for me, is to buy
boats that other boats will want to buy in a few years,

You have a lot of "boats" looking to buy your boat?
That must be one pretty boat.


maintain them
properly, and then sell them for a very good price.

So you are just a boat dealer, not a real boater.

Buy one, park it in the driveway and try to dump it before it loses
too much value.

Again I ask, what is your per (running) hour maintenance bill?
Since you imply you do a "100" hour once a year I am guessing you
actually run less than that so I see it at a minimum of $4 an hour and
probably closer to $8.
A 100 hour is generally $400 and up, based on what I read on the real
boat BB, depending on how many parts you throw at it.

An outboard will generally lose about a third of it's value as soon as
you drive it off the lot. (certainly within a year anyway).
That is based on what we heard from several brokers when my neighbor's
wife tried to sell his pristine boat after his death.
I ran the YDS on it and he had 150 hours on it.


Again, I have no idea what the per hour maintenance bill was for my
outboard boats and, again, I don't give a ****. I don't usually apply
cost-benefit analysis to toys.

Brokers have an incentive to get you to sell your boat at a price that
will generate the fastest sale. IF you have a well-maintained boat
that is in short supply and that people want, you can get a better
price, usually a much better price. Parkers do very well up here. I
don't know anything about the old, well-used pontoon boat market is
like in SW Florida.
I'm thinking of all of the toys (aside from my two boats) that I could
get if I didn't pay taxes like you. A Ferrari would be an easy purchase
or maybe a small airplane....