On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:59:23 -0400, KC wrote:

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

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Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.


One thing I did for instance was move the video that used to come up on
what would probably be the first picture folks might click on.. After
hearing Dicks CC, I decided that having a vid load first might be
offputting so I put it deeper into the site. Hopefully now the first
thing folks see, "isn't" a "please wait for video" note

See Dick, I'm listening

===

He knows of what he speaks.

On 3/14/2014 12:55 AM, Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 13 Mar 2014 21:59:23 -0400, KC wrote:

Your web page, unless you've changed it drastically since you last
posted the URL, has a good number of grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. I did not look close enough to see if there were
spelling errors, too. That you don't see any of these is not surprising,
and since your client's native language isn't English, he isn't likely
to notice, either. If I were in your shoes and trying to pass myself off
as a professional-level web guy, I'd find someone who has
professional-level knowledge of "English as she is written," because you
don't have such knowledge.

===

Style inconsistencies are *extremely* important to a guy who has a
tree that needs to come down.


One thing I did for instance was move the video that used to come up on
what would probably be the first picture folks might click on.. After
hearing Dicks CC, I decided that having a vid load first might be
offputting so I put it deeper into the site. Hopefully now the first
thing folks see, "isn't" a "please wait for video" note

See Dick, I'm listening

===

He knows of what he speaks.


Not really. My comments on Scott's website were just based on my
initial reaction to it, putting myself in a prospective customer's frame
of mind.

I've created a few websites in the past but nothing as fancy as what
Scott is putting together. I did the original one for the company I had
but then had a professional service redo it once the business started to
grow. It was mainly due to the clientele who would be viewing it who
were mostly big, major corporations. I wrote the script but the
service added the pictures, artwork and determined the format in which
the information was presented. The early drafts were getting too busy
and complex but the final version was made more simple and easy to navigate.

The goofy website I created for the guitar shop was (and remains) about
as simple as they come. At one point (about 3 years ago) I created a
much "fancier" one that had flash presentations, music and a more
complex path to follow for information. The customer base the shop had
immediately started complaining. They liked the original, simple to
navigate format. So, after a month of testing the new one, I went back
to the original. I don't maintain it anymore, but neither I or Rick who
now maintains it ever worry too much about grammar errors and style
inconsistencies. We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.
Both he and I try to spell things correctly but an occasional goof or
typo doesn't seem to bother anyone. I've never heard anyone complain
about a misspelled word. The only complaints were when I tried to make
it too fancy and it became more difficult to navigate.

It still averages over 10,000 "hits" per month which is incredible when
one considers the size of the shop.

I think website owners are often more impressed with the their websites
than the people who visit them are and tend to over-do it with glitz and
fanciness. Understandable, but if the intent is to sell items or a
service, the information presented should be easy to view and fast to
acquire.

The other thing is that physiologically a complex website that is too
"busy" and full of flash presentations and glitz suggests $$$$ IMO.
Simple suggests affordable. People don't want to be immediately
intimidated when first introduced to a company or service. They want to
feel comfortable and welcome.

Overall I think Scott has done a great job in responding to his client's
desires and requests. Time will tell if it is effective in terms of
selling the services they provide.

Just my opinion.

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of language.

On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.

On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English - contributes
to the dumbing down of 'Merica.

On 3/14/2014 10:28 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English - contributes
to the dumbing down of 'Merica.


I thought you were a "progressive". Culture, language and demographics
change and all that stuff.

How many people do you know today that speak or write English in the
same manner as Shakespeare or the Pilgrims? Go visit Plymouth
Plantation and try to understand what the role players are saying. I
guess we are all "dumbed down", including you.

On 3/14/14, 10:54 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 10:28 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum,
wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English - contributes
to the dumbing down of 'Merica.


I thought you were a "progressive". Culture, language and demographics
change and all that stuff.

How many people do you know today that speak or write English in the
same manner as Shakespeare or the Pilgrims? Go visit Plymouth
Plantation and try to understand what the role players are saying. I
guess we are all "dumbed down", including you.




Proper evolution in business and social language and the art of using
language do not have to include sloppiness and lack of attention to
spelling, grammar and usage. It's good to avoid broken language, slang,
and jargon in formal speech and writing. If we don't, we end up speaking
and writing in a hundred varieties of patois or lingua francas.

If I visit a commercial website *full* of language errors, I attribute
that to sloppiness and laziness on the part of the site's sponsor, and
assume the sponsor's business is run in a sloppy fashion, too. If I see
a contract proposal full of the same sorts of errors, the warning
signals go off, because if the language is sloppy, the fulfillment is
likely to be, too, and that means disputes down the road.

I sometimes partner with a web designer in India who is involved with
the labor movement there. He's a first-rate designer and programmer, and
he speaks and writes English at a level that makes it easy for us to
communicate and laugh at each other when we stumble on a word or phrase.
He has the stereotypical accent of an Indian who speaks English. As
talented as he is, I wouldn't let him write a word of final copy for the
websites I manage. He knows our language, but his knowledge of idiomatic
'Mericanese is lacking.

On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:28:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English - contributes
to the dumbing down of 'Merica.

You need to walk downtown and tell the folks you meet on the sidewalk how 'poor' their grammar and
sentence structure are. You'd probably come home with your ass in your hands, or your head shoved up
there.

You're a joke, Krause.

On 3/14/2014 1:47 PM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 14 Mar 2014 10:28:17 -0400, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum, wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English - contributes
to the dumbing down of 'Merica.

You need to walk downtown and tell the folks you meet on the sidewalk how 'poor' their grammar and
sentence structure are. You'd probably come home with your ass in your hands, or your head shoved up
there.

You're a joke, Krause.


That's for sure.. He really doesn't know what grammar and spelling I had
issues with on the site, if you notice he never pointed anything out, he
just ran his mouth.

I got the home page proof read and I think we got it down... I am sure
harry will say otherwise, but he doesn't know ****..

F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/14/14, 9:37 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/14/2014 8:22 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/14/14, 1:47 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
We are not trying to sell guitars to English majors.


More advocacy for the dumbing down of 'Merica and 'Mericans.

Fortunately, the clients for the handful of websites I design and
maintain are sticklers for proper English. This forum,
wrecked.boats, is
the appropriate outlet for trash talk and careless, trashy use of
language.


Nothing to do with the dumbing down of anybody. The idea is to get a
message across using fundamentally understandable and acceptable
language and structure.

I was more interested in being awarded a $800K contract for a thin film
deposition system or handed a check for $1,700 for a guitar than
receiving an "A" for using proper grammar or sentence structure.





And that attitude - the acceptance of substandard English -
contributes to the dumbing down of 'Merica.
"I'm just trying to fit in as much as my digestive track allows with the
right-wing slime whose almost entire reason for existence here is to
ridicule, mock, and taunt."