On Friday, March 7, 2014 12:22:50 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 21:15:40 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:



You could easily add floats to a quad rotor. Just use a couple sticks



of small "swim noodle". It doesn't even need to have a hydrodynamic



shape like a plane



I wonder how it would effect the 'lift' and other basic aerodynamics. Might even make it tough to get it out of the water...



I imagine that as long as you didn't interrupt the rotor wash, it

would work fine. They don't really "push" as much as "pull" anyway.

True Greg, but they're really not that powerful either. and getting the little noodly feet out of the water has a bit of a vacuum pull unlike taking off from dry land. Oh well. I'd work...

On 3/7/2014 5:43 AM, F*O*A*D wrote:
On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Are you off your meds again?

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:47:29 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 17:50:55 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

WA smart one would just go home if the uplink was jammed.



That's if the jamming doesn't cause it to crash first. Based on the
videos I've seen of those things, they react very quickly to control
inputs, or lack of.

As Wayne mentioned I suspect that if the RC craze continues and more
incidents of "spying" in a neighbor's back yard occur some restrictions
will be legislated on their use. It's one thing for Google to be
taking static satellite photos augmented with aircraft/helicopter images
to generate maps of the entire world. But a "hobbyist" purposely
targeting someone's backyard or house from 200 feet and video recording
the "visit" is another thing altogether, plus the annoyance of having it
and it's noise hovering in your yard. Given the lack of federal (FAA)
regulations and state regulations many towns have already enacted
ordinances governing their use. It's common sense.

It might be illegal to down one by shooting it but who's going to prove
you jammed it?



It just depends on how smart the drone is. If it has a processor and a
GPS on board, it will default to going home if it loses the up link.

These things are really pretty quiet. If you didn't look up, you might
not even know it was up there unless it was very low.

Many of them have GPS on board.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vmdG2wE7pY

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 04:28:54 -0800 (PST), Tim wrote:

On Friday, March 7, 2014 12:22:50 AM UTC-6, wrote:
On Thu, 6 Mar 2014 21:15:40 -0800 (PST), Tim

wrote:



You could easily add floats to a quad rotor. Just use a couple sticks



of small "swim noodle". It doesn't even need to have a hydrodynamic



shape like a plane



I wonder how it would effect the 'lift' and other basic aerodynamics. Might even make it tough to get it out of the water...



I imagine that as long as you didn't interrupt the rotor wash, it

would work fine. They don't really "push" as much as "pull" anyway.

True Greg, but they're really not that powerful either. and getting the little noodly feet out of the water has a bit of a vacuum pull unlike taking off from dry land. Oh well. I'd work...

Those things are more powerful than you think. They mount some pretty heavy cameras to them on
gimbal mounts. Even that little one of mine is powerful enough to carry a camera.

http://tinyurl.com/o6yn4nb

This one uses those expensive homemade floats (plastic water bottles), and seems to do quite well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrArOJUlE0E

Or, if you're hunting for fish:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GSSzL3YSO8

On Thu, 06 Mar 2014 22:23:23 -0800, thumper wrote:

On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.

I still wonder how they'd work against these new frequency hopping transmitters.

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

On 3/7/14, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

Pointing a laser at an aircraft is specifically illegal. The law is
written broadly enough that it probably applies to a drone

I still like my slug of water. The only place a squirt gun will get
you arrested is within 1000 feet of a school. You can get suspended
for pointing your finger like a gun in this twisted society tho.,



The annoying kiddie copter will have to be flying damned low to be shot
down by a pistol. Perhaps a powerful pump and nozzle will do the trick.

When I was a teenybopper, I thought slot cars and the commercial slot
car track was the cat's pj's.

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

I got one of these for the Sig. Don't think it would do much damage to an RC quadcopter though.

http://cdn1.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_...d/9-167035.jpg

They're a big help in practicing a steady grip.

On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 11:58:16 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 11:51 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 10:40:54 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 10:30 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Fri, 07 Mar 2014 06:43:41 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 3/7/14, 1:23 AM, thumper wrote:
On 3/6/2014 10:36 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Believe it or not one of the most effective types of jammers is also the
oldest and first type of RF transmitter used. It's called a spark-gap
transmitter and it generates RF interference across a very broad range
of frequencies simultaneously. The operation of a spark-gap transmitter
is illegal now-a-days for exactly that reason but are simple to make and
can be of more than enough power to temporarily wipe out communications
to virtually any radio controlled device.


And some things you really don't want to interfere with that will draw
attention. Controlled bandwidth jammers are pretty easy to make and way
less obnoxious.


More fun would be a hardened backyard toy chopper of your own, armed
with sharp steel rotor blades that could be used to slice and dice the
toy choppers of nosy neighbors whose devices violate your air space.
Chopper wars! It's the 'Merican way. One can envision the escalation,
all the way up to MINI NUKES, available soon from the NRA.

Cool idea, FOAD! How about missiles - already available!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNQ_5yd_1AA

Sharp steel rotor blades would damage the other aircraft, but would also be damaged by the impact.
Plus, if one came flying off while powering up, you could lose your head! The design of the blades
on my 'copter allow for strikes against walls, ceilings, furniture, etc, without damage to either.



Airborne miniature lasers...or maybe ground to air lasers.

Pointing a laser at an aircraft is specifically illegal. The law is
written broadly enough that it probably applies to a drone

I still like my slug of water. The only place a squirt gun will get
you arrested is within 1000 feet of a school. You can get suspended
for pointing your finger like a gun in this twisted society tho.,



The annoying kiddie copter will have to be flying damned low to be shot
down by a pistol. Perhaps a powerful pump and nozzle will do the trick.

When I was a teenybopper, I thought slot cars and the commercial slot
car track was the cat's pj's.

He described his idea a few posts ago. Good idea too.

Or, were you talking about one of these: http://tinyurl.com/luyqw4q