On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 10:44:05 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 10:28 AM, Poco Loco wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 06:32:13 -0500, F*O*A*D wrote:

On 2/19/14, 2:40 AM, thumper wrote:
On 2/17/2014 8:07 PM, Tim wrote:

Oh, I know the earth is much older than that. But is mankind?

Yes

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2008/apr/29/fossils.evolution3

Carbon 14 *IS* the accepted science for research, but its not
infallible...

Science doesn't claim to be infallible or perfectly accurate but rather
is self correcting and tends get better with time and effort.

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/05/31/us...on-dating.html


1990...

C14 dating has well known limitations and constraints for appropriate
application and *is not* the only accepted method of dating.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-carbon_dating

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html

It is an unfortunately common (and dishonest) creationist tactic to take
relatively small scientific controversies or corrections and equivocate
to infer that the whole field is unreliable.

As one of my mentors once said "All simulations (models) are wrong, some
are useful."

The god of the gaps is shrinking slowly.



There's nothing but dishonesty in creationism. It's one thing to be
self-delusional and believe that sort of nonsense, and it is quite
another and dishonest to try to push it onto public school kids as some
sort of "alternative."

It's similar to TV shows in which half the characters are GLBT. It's dishonest to try to push that
onto public school kids as some kind of 'norm'.



Being "gay" is a reality for many, including public school kids. It's
important their school buds realize that being gay is real. Creationism
is delusional religious nonsense.

You sure seem overly sensitive to "gay" issues, John. Are you one of
those still in the closet gay conservatives who protests gays too much?

I recall one junior high/high school buddy who was sexually
ambidextrous, way back in the dark ages when I was a lad. He was a great
guy and no one gave him any **** for it. I guess he's lucky he didn't go
to your high school.
So he was born both ways?


I am sensitive to having gaydom shoved down my throat, and that of kids. What if I were a 'closet
gay conservative'? You use that term as a put down, yet act as though gaydom is the norm. It's not.
The GLBT community represents only about 3% or our population. It is not the norm.

Those who believe in a Creator, on the other hand, represent about 74% of our population. Yet you
decry students being taught that such a belief exists.

I'm sure the little jibes you and Don make about me possibly being gay do something for you. But as
I have nothing against gays themselves, they really just emphasize your anti-gay beliefs.